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  • [01:20:25] <djlewis> ping prpplague again
  • [01:20:41] <prpplague> djlewis: pong
  • [01:20:49] <djlewis> HI man,
  • [01:21:04] <djlewis> I saw this morning you mentioned a board coming
  • [01:21:06] <prpplague> djlewis: greetings
  • [01:21:11] <prpplague> djlewis: several boards
  • [01:21:24] <djlewis> It is to support gpio, i2c, spi etc.
  • [01:21:25] <ds2> beware of the flying sheets of plywood ;)
  • [01:21:42] <ds2> just a matter of a hurricane
  • [01:21:50] <djlewis> an interfac'ers bd ;)
  • [01:22:08] <djlewis> is it on the desigh table now?
  • [01:22:24] <prpplague> djlewis: the breeder board will have gpio and spi at +3.3v and i2c at either +3.3v or +5v, the second uart is connected to an atmega168 or atmega328 that can operate at either +3.3v or +5v
  • [01:23:00] <djlewis> It is bidirectional gpio?
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  • [01:23:59] <ds2> prpplague: why focus on allowing 3.3V instead of providingmore things at 1.8V?
  • [01:24:22] <prpplague> ds2: because that is what people are asking for
  • [01:24:23] <djlewis> prpplague: either / or, is that an option of 3.3 or 5?
  • [01:24:31] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [01:24:48] <djlewis> ds2: prpplague has my attention ;)
  • [01:25:00] <ds2> djlewis: apparently :D
  • [01:25:11] <prpplague> djlewis: the direction of the GPIO can be controlled as input or output
  • [01:25:21] <prpplague> ds2: what is it you want at 1.8v?
  • [01:25:34] <prpplague> djlewis: the gpio's are only available at +3.3v
  • [01:25:45] <djlewis> prpplague: by jumpers or a controalable I/O
  • [01:25:50] <ds2> prpplague: everything.. I am exhausted by all the voltage boosting acrobatics I am doing
  • [01:26:10] <prpplague> djlewis: controalable i/o
  • [01:26:28] <djlewis> I know I am asking too many questions...
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  • [01:26:33] <prpplague> ds2: i'm confused, if you want it to interface at 1.8v why not interface at 1.8v?
  • [01:26:38] <ds2> in an ideal world, I would like a small (8bit or 16bit) aux processor on an expansion board that is 5V tolerant but has 1.8V I/O
  • [01:27:11] <ds2> prpplague: I am moving toward that... up to this point, I been playing power supply acrobatics to accomodate all the different voltages
  • [01:28:05] <djlewis> prpplague: I am thinking this 'breeder' board might be for me.
  • [01:28:32] <prpplague> ds2: i am sorry i did not understand your statement, you want to interface a aux processor to the beagle using 1.8v , but the i/o on the aux processor needs to run at 5v?
  • [01:29:34] <ds2> prpplague: sort of... another way of putting it is to have a processor with per pin programmable I/O voltage
  • [01:29:53] <djlewis> prpplague: I would like to see the specs on your breeder when available.
  • [01:29:56] <ds2> but AFAIK, no one makes that
  • [01:30:03] <djlewis> ds2: sounds like a maxim thnig
  • [01:30:12] <djlewis> to be made ..
  • [01:30:17] <prpplague> ds2: not sure i understand what you are trying to accomplish
  • [01:30:20] <ds2> djlewis: maybe
  • [01:30:28] <prpplague> djlewis: i'll post the spec s on the wiki when available
  • [01:30:44] <djlewis> prpplague: thank yo ufor your time.
  • [01:30:46] <ds2> prpplague: I am trying to get rid of all the voltage converters and maybe simplify my power supplies
  • [01:31:32] <prpplague> ds2: no real way around having a 1.8v 3.3v and 5v
  • [01:32:03] <ds2> prpplague: a 5V tolerant processor is a beginning
  • [01:32:41] <djlewis> the probs I have seen are doing it all at high speed.
  • [01:32:44] <prpplague> ds2: ok, the atmega168 or atmega328 on the breader can be set for either +5v or +3.3v, your choice
  • [01:33:10] <ds2> prpplague: that's the opposite of what I am refering to unless I misunderstood
  • [01:33:44] <prpplague> ds2: i'm probably not understanding
  • [01:34:23] <ds2> prpplague: think of a processor that runs at 1.8V so it drives lines up to 1.8V but can accept a 3.3V or a 5V signal (ie. internal current limited protection diodes)
  • [01:34:41] <prpplague> ds2: ok
  • [01:34:53] <ds2> that's what I would think is useful
  • [01:34:57] <prpplague> ds2: what does that buy you?
  • [01:35:16] <ds2> prpplague: it solves half the voltage conversion issue
  • [01:35:31] <ds2> prpplague: the next step is to have a mux for the I/O voltage on each pin
  • [01:35:58] <prpplague> ds2: i follow what you want, but that would be way too costly
  • [01:36:35] <ds2> prpplague: if you mean descrete parts, yeah... I was hoping a silicon mfg would put that in... a voltage mux after the pin mux
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  • [02:12:00] <prpplague> well fudge
  • [02:12:05] <ds2> ?
  • [02:12:26] <prpplague> ds2: the designers of this board didn't properly configure sys_boot[5:0]
  • [02:12:36] <ds2> oh
  • [02:12:43] <prpplague> ds2: the device keeps trying to boot from uart3
  • [02:12:53] <ds2> which board is this?
  • [02:14:21] <prpplague> can't say, but it
  • [02:14:27] <prpplague> can't say, but it's omap3525 based
  • [02:14:36] <ds2> heheh... "good luck"
  • [02:15:25] <ds2> you could drop in a slave processor on UART3 and....
  • [02:15:40] <ds2> just get one large enough to contain xloader
  • [02:16:25] <prpplague> ds2: yea
  • [02:16:47] <prpplague> ds2: is there a linux util for booting via uart for the beagle?
  • [02:17:06] <ds2> prpplague: yep. search for the stuff from Nishant from TI
  • [02:17:20] <prpplague> ds2: nm, found it on the wiki
  • [02:18:06] <ds2> http://nishanthmenon.blogspot.com/2009/01/omap-peripheral-boot-what-heck-is-it.html
  • [02:18:10] <ds2> oh okay
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  • [02:21:44] <dv_> hello
  • [02:22:20] <dv_> I shorted the pins 4 and 5 according to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#OTG
  • [02:22:34] <dv_> to be able to use a hub with the board
  • [02:22:50] <dv_> I also connected an extra power source at the +5 V jack
  • [02:22:58] <dv_> yet, usb does not work, I get "usb0: link is not ready"
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  • [02:23:15] <ds2> eh?
  • [02:23:21] <ds2> that is likely to be not what you want to do
  • [02:23:34] <dv_> well I need OTG
  • [02:23:44] <ds2> then you do not short the 4/5 pins
  • [02:23:53] <dv_> according to the wiki I do
  • [02:24:01] <ds2> then you do not need OTG
  • [02:24:03] <ds2> :D
  • [02:24:06] <dv_> what?
  • [02:24:20] <dv_> I want to be able to use a keyboard and a mouse with the board
  • [02:24:31] <dv_> I need to connect a hub for that
  • [02:24:41] <ds2> yes, you do
  • [02:24:51] <ds2> but then why are you trying to get usb0 to work?
  • [02:25:05] <dv_> well not sure, just trying to figure out why usb is not working at all
  • [02:25:29] <ds2> usb0 is not the USB port
  • [02:25:34] <dv_> keyboard and mouse are never active with this
  • [02:25:46] <ds2> usb0 is the network interface with the BB as a device
  • [02:25:52] <dv_> ah ok
  • [02:25:59] <ds2> (unless you are plugging this into another BB then, I stand corrected)
  • [02:26:08] <dv_> but anyway, do I need to explicitely load some modules ?
  • [02:26:15] <ds2> if all you want is keyboard/mouse, you do not need OTG
  • [02:26:30] <ds2> depends on how you configured your kernel
  • [02:27:11] <dv_> I got myself one angstrom image from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Writing_the_.C3.85ngstr.C3.B6m_image_into_the_SDcard_and_finally_booting_GNU.2FLinux
  • [02:27:34] <ds2> IIRC, the Angstrom images should just work
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  • [02:34:34] <dv_> hmm doesnt
  • [02:34:54] <dv_> uhci ohci and ehci are in the kernel ?
  • [02:35:13] <ds2> check the config
  • [02:36:10] <dv_> where is it? cant find it in the rootfs
  • [02:37:10] <ds2> check the usual places
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  • [02:48:18] <djlewis> well, my weather sensors got zapped by lightning bout 3:10pm CDT.
  • [02:48:36] <djlewis> Got it back on line after much wrangling.
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  • [02:48:47] <mru> no lightning sensor?
  • [02:49:28] <djlewis> Hi mru I gotta get one of those and have my robot run around unplugging cables at first sign.
  • [02:50:23] <djlewis> I forget how many years and how much hardware I have been through cause of lightning.
  • [02:52:32] <djlewis> Oh joy, my graphic data is not updating (weather station)
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  • [02:53:49] <djlewis> Oh good! it is, its just my browser cache.
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  • [02:58:49] <djlewis> hello again prpplague
  • [02:58:54] <prpplague> djlewis was there something specific you are looking for in a beagle expansion board?
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  • [02:59:34] <djlewis> It sounds like you may have it covered with the breeder. I want I/O.
  • [02:59:52] <djlewis> I dont want to design my own, my eyes dont like the struggle.
  • [03:00:41] <djlewis> My robot controller is a serial interface 5vDC. I need to interface more sensors both digital and analog.
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  • [03:01:20] <djlewis> I can get the aded sensor interfaces through the co that makes the controller, it talks I2c
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  • [03:02:33] <djlewis> prpplague: when I began planning this early this year I figured using as a minimum, I2c and some gpio.
  • [03:03:25] <djlewis> I need to take a long serious look at another avenue for video input.
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  • [03:03:59] <djlewis> prpplague: the BB with webcam is too slow thus far.
  • [03:06:35] <ds2> djlewis: which station are you using?
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  • [03:08:58] <djlewis> ds2: La Crosse ws 2310
  • [03:10:13] <djlewis> hmmm, i find a $20 bill in my shirt pocket and I dont know if I can spend it as I dont know if it is mine.. argh
  • [03:10:28] <djlewis> I know, finders keepers :)
  • [03:13:18] <ds2> djlewis: what software are you using with that?
  • [03:14:37] <djlewis> http://www.weather-display.com/index.php
  • [03:15:56] <ds2> hmmm $
  • [03:16:12] <ds2> how well does the rain gage work?
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  • [03:27:33] <djlewis> ds2: Rain gauge is probably the best working part. Probably needs cleaned.
  • [03:28:02] <djlewis> ds2: I live down a gravel road so dust affects the anenometer.
  • [03:28:25] <djlewis> Along with spider webs.
  • [03:29:04] <ds2> Hmmmm... sigh... guess the LaCrosse is worth the extra $$. I got the Oregon Scientific one and the rain gage is not very sensitive
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  • [03:30:18] <djlewis> ds2: I do like the WD software. It is running on an XP box but handles all my WEB.
  • [03:30:44] <djlewis> I considered making a BB the weather server and try WD's linux version.
  • [03:30:57] <ds2> djlewis: I rather not have XP software... have you looked at WView?
  • [03:31:17] <djlewis> dont have to.
  • [03:31:59] <djlewis> ds2: I have looked at it along with some free linux apps.
  • [03:33:50] <djlewis> I could do most everything I do now with a BB, webcam and WD's linux ver
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  • [03:34:00] <djlewis> ds2: WD even has a ARM version
  • [03:34:31] <ds2> djlewis: I had a requirement that I can modify it to integrate with other Home Automation apps so I eliminatedcommericial stuff
  • [03:42:17] <djlewis> ds2: last time I looked closely at wview one had to go through some hoops to make graphic displays of weather
  • [03:42:53] <djlewis> main reason I like WD is its ease of use nad thoroughness.
  • [03:43:38] <djlewis> I even have weather station C code for my Rabbit board and La Crosse :)
  • [03:51:09] <djlewis> ds2: another wehater station option: http://www.aag.com.mx/aagusa/index1.html
  • [03:51:32] <djlewis> I'm tired, wehater?
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  • [03:54:34] <ds2> hmmm
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  • [03:56:23] <djlewis> ds2: the la crosse rain gauge uses a tilt cup with I think .001" res.
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  • [04:05:04] <ds2> I see
  • [04:05:11] <ds2> wonder what does Oregon Scientific uses
  • [04:05:27] <ds2> right now I can walk outside with it drizzling for hours and have it still not register anything
  • [04:06:09] <djlewis> ds2: I expect Oregon Sci and La Crosse to be on the same level.
  • [04:06:23] <djlewis> hmmm. I dont know about a drizzle test on mine.
  • [04:06:39] <ds2> djlewis: you never get any really light rains?
  • [04:06:39] <djlewis> Sometimes I expect our heavy dew to register but it does not.
  • [04:07:19] <djlewis> yep, buckets full in minutes.
  • [04:07:47] <ds2> guess it might be regional issues
  • [04:08:15] <djlewis> sometimes we get a good slow ground soaker.
  • [04:08:44] <djlewis> I gotta hit the sack.
  • [04:08:49] <ds2> later
  • [04:09:01] <djlewis> gn
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  • [05:13:00] <AdamAU> Hi Everyone... am still trying to get MMC2 woring from the expansion connector. We have a transceiver and SD card socket, we thought we patched the kernel ok. But we cant see the SD card. Any ideas?
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  • [05:17:34] <ds2> what kind of transceiver?
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  • [05:49:56] <_dash_> hi all
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  • [06:58:12] <_koen_> good morning all
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  • [07:05:23] <pundiramit> does omapfb support 32bit yet? I have tried 2.6.28-omap1 and 2.6.29-angstrom kernel but my PowerVR demos doesn't seem to work at 32 bit depth. PowerVR claims to support 32bit afaik
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  • [07:09:30] <ap73> Has anyone done any work on improving the boot time of the Beagle board?
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  • [08:16:03] <vhallac> Did anyone have any experience with MMC2/3 connected to a WiFi module?
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  • [08:16:15] <vhallac> all we seem to get back to commands is a CTO
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  • [08:19:15] <vhallac> The pads must be configured OK, we do see the signals on the wires
  • [08:20:28] <Christos_N|Work> gm all, is there any guide on how to setup in beagleboard tty console not via rs232 but through the usb ?
  • [08:22:35] <_dash_> ping check connect
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  • [08:24:25] <_koen_> florian: ping
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  • [08:25:51] <florian> good morning
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  • [10:06:37] <rachit> I have inserted modules usbserial.ko and ftdi_sio.ko on board
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  • [10:08:04] <rachit> by writing "insmod [module name]", how to check the USBtoSerail converter now enable or not?
  • [10:09:28] <av500> dmesg?
  • [10:10:17] <adj> and by looking at /dev for entries like ttyUSB*
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  • [10:13:35] <rachit> dmesg shows [ 96.439636] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial [ 96.445709] USB Serial support registered for generic [ 96.450897] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic [ 96.457489] usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
  • [10:14:06] <rachit> [ 113.644165] USB Serial support registered for FTDI USB Serial Device [ 113.650848] usbcore: registered new interface driver ftdi_sio [ 113.656677] ftdi_sio: v1.4.3:USB FTDI Serial Converters Driver
  • [10:14:47] <rachit> adj : but /dev/ls ,couldn't find ttyUSB
  • [10:15:11] <rachit> my USBtoserial converter has FTDI chip
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  • [10:19:33] <adj> if there's no /dev/ttyUSB* present then it does not work
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  • [10:22:35] <rachit> adj:as per dmesg it's registered, I have used already built modules from /lib/modules/2.6.29-omap1/kernel/drivers/usb/serial
  • [10:22:46] <_koen_> you might need to override the vendor and product checking
  • [10:23:06] <av500> rachit: dmesg should show something about adding a /dev/ttyUSBx
  • [10:23:18] <_koen_> something like: modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x9e88 product=0x9e8f
  • [10:23:23] <av500> can u confirm that the host work with something else?
  • [10:23:34] <_koen_> (that's for the sheevaplug ftdi chip)
  • [10:23:53] <av500> rachit: dmesg should also show a new usb device connected when you plug the ftdi...
  • [10:25:35] <adj> rachit: yeah, those messages only show that new drivers have been registered to the kernel. They don't say that any device is using those drivers
  • [10:31:00] <rachit> _koen_: does it mean i need to add vendor and product id using modprobe ?
  • [10:31:53] <_koen_> rachit: most likely
  • [10:31:59] <rachit> I have purchased USBtoSerial from DigiKey
  • [10:32:00] <_koen_> or patch the kernel to add those
  • [10:35:04] <rachit> when I have connected USBtoSerial converter after doing modprob then got this on shell "[ 1975.204620] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device o n port 2"
  • [10:36:42] <av500> rachit: do other devices work on this usb host?
  • [10:37:27] <rachit> av500 : I have checked USB card reader
  • [10:38:58] <sol-invictus_> rachit: which revision of the board you have?
  • [10:39:45] <rachit> C2
  • [10:45:46] <rachit> av500: sorry I have checked USB card reader but not getting
  • [10:46:18] <sol-invictus_> do a check if usb is working correct - try to copy a usb stick to /dev/null ( dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M )
  • [10:51:41] <rachit> sol-invictus_: I have connected my USB stick directly to USB host but not getting LED on on stick
  • [10:53:14] <sol-invictus_> rachit: maybe you have to restart the board...
  • [10:53:17] <rachit> when i tired "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M" then got this on shell " dd: opening `/dev/sda': No such file or directory"
  • [10:54:58] <siji> hi all am trying to compile clutter with SGX driver support
  • [10:55:12] <siji> it's telling that egl.h is not fond
  • [10:55:15] <siji> found
  • [10:55:22] <siji> frm where will i get this
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  • [10:56:48] <rachit> sol-invictus_: I have rebooted and now got LED on on stick
  • [10:57:58] <rachit> sol-invictus_: I have tried "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M" then got "1926+0 records in 1926+0 records out 2019557376 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 113.75 s, 17.8 MB/s" on shell
  • [11:04:28] <sol-invictus_> rachit: but no error with something like " ... USB disconnect ..."?
  • [11:06:53] <rachit> sol-invictus_: no
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  • [11:08:11] <rachit> sol-invictus_:when I removed the USB stick thn got "[ 4015.303649] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2"
  • [11:08:35] <sol-invictus_> ok, retry this 3 or 4 times... if usb not fails you have a board where usb ehci is working correctly
  • [11:08:46] <saurabh> hi
  • [11:10:12] <saurabh> how to change clock speed
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  • [11:11:42] <sol-invictus_> but if this line you wrote now appears in between the copy process you have this problem: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/5b8385f0bb1f63da#
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  • [11:15:00] <jks_> i use kernel 2.6.29 from Oe. i get the error "evdev.c(EVIOCGBIT): Suspicious buffer size 511, limiting output to 64 bytes". how can i avoid it?
  • [11:18:44] <rachit> sol-invictus_: i am not seeing USB stick mounted any location by using df -h
  • [11:19:22] <rachit> and also fdisk -l show device detail but not mount point
  • [11:20:09] <sol-invictus_> if it shows up under /dev/sda it is here... just run the dd test
  • [11:20:34] <sol-invictus_> you don't need to mount it for the test
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  • [11:21:25] <rachit> sol-invictus_: I have previously done dd test and got the "1926+0 records in 1926+0 records out 2019557376 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 113.75 s, 17.8 MB/s" on shell
  • [11:21:59] <rachit> sol-invictus: no error of disconnect in dd test
  • [11:22:14] <sol-invictus_> rachit: did you repeat that test 3 or 4 times? just to be sure that your usb is working correct...
  • [11:23:01] <rachit> sol-invictus_: yes every time I got messege whe I connect and disconect the USB stick
  • [11:25:20] <rachit> sol-invictus_: at connection tiem like this "[ 4154.052947] usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci-omap and address 3"
  • [11:25:28] <rachit> and other messages
  • [11:25:50] <sol-invictus_> rachit: but if you reboot the board it is working?
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  • [11:26:25] <sol-invictus_> your ftdi?
  • [11:27:07] <saurabh> is there any patch for cpufreq support
  • [11:27:15] <sol-invictus_> so your problem now is that you can't get the ftdi working, right?
  • [11:27:20] <saurabh> is there any patch for cpufreq support on 2.6.29
  • [11:27:21] <rachit> sol-invictus_: yes
  • [11:27:50] <saurabh> where can i get this patch
  • [11:28:02] <rachit> sol-invictus: when I connect my ftdi USBtoSerial then got "[ 5205.068664] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB devic e on port 2"
  • [11:30:54] <sol-invictus_> rachit: so it might be a kernel probem... but i'm just guessing... do you use a precompiled kernel?
  • [11:31:58] <rachit> yes
  • [11:32:14] <rachit> angstrom demo built
  • [11:33:46] <sol-invictus_> rachit: well, then try _koen_'s advice...
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  • [11:35:03] <rachit> sol-invictus_: I have tried to write on shell "modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x9e88 product=0x9e8f" but not get ttyUSB on /dev
  • [11:35:26] <rachit> sol-invictus_:how to get patch of this to add into kernel
  • [11:36:27] <sol-invictus_> rachit: hmm... good question... i'm at the end of my wisdom ;)
  • [11:37:17] <rachit> sol-invictus_: thanks, if you come to know then tell me
  • [11:38:53] <rachit> _koen_: how to get patch to add ftdi USBtoSerial into my kernel
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  • [11:47:54] <_koen_> are those the actual IDs?
  • [11:48:02] <_koen_> the one I gave are from my sheevaplug
  • [11:48:08] <_koen_> and probably won't work with yours :)
  • [11:50:28] <rachit> _koen_: no, how to get it's ID?
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  • [12:09:50] <_koen_> rachit: 'lsusb' or dmesg should report it
  • [12:11:44] <rachit> _koen_: lsusb give me "Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002", i think it's root hub id
  • [12:12:43] <rachit> _koen_: I have Digikey part no. AE10289-ND USBtoSerial
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  • [12:17:49] <rachit> _koen_: I have connected it to linux host pc and got "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC" using lsusb
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  • [12:18:29] <rachit> _koen_: which vendor and product ID from this?
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  • [12:22:01] <_koen_> 0403 and 6001
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  • [12:35:00] <rachit> _koen_: first i need to do modprobe or insert kernel module usbserial.ko & ftdio_sio. ko ?
  • [12:35:38] <av500> modprobe inserts
  • [12:39:16] <rachit> av500 & _keon_: when I wrote modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x0403 product=0x6001 then I got "[ 9440.308013] usbserial: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module WARNING: Error inserting usbserial (/lib/modules/2.6.29-omap1/kernel/drivers/usb /serial/usbserial.ko): Invalid module format"
  • [12:39:30] <rachit> and "[ 9440.344848] ftdi_sio: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module FATAL: Error inserting ftdi_sio (/lib/modules/2.6.29-omap1/kernel/drivers/usb/se rial/ftdi_sio.ko): Invalid module format"
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  • [12:43:12] <Crofton|work> wxwidgets 2.9 is building for the beagle, need to sort out staging issues though ..
  • [12:44:29] <av500> rachit: then u have the wrong modules for your kernel....
  • [12:45:05] <_koen_> Crofton|work: the glibc ports commit "breaks" glibc for arm/angstrom, if people moan about it, tell them to disable binary locales or do:
  • [12:45:23] <_koen_> - kernel_ver = bb.data.getVar("OLDEST_KERNEL", d, 1)
  • [12:45:23] <_koen_> + kernel_ver = "2.6.24" #bb.data.getVar("OLDEST_KERNEL", d, 1)
  • [12:45:27] <_koen_> in glibc.bbclass
  • [12:46:02] <_koen_> Crofton|work: the proper fix is to add the syscall patch to linux-linux-headers 2.6.29, use that and bump OLDEST_KERNEL to 2.6.29 for arm
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  • [12:49:40] <mtc> Anyone here planning to attend the embedded systems conference in boston, on the 21st?
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  • [12:51:37] <mtc> Looking to squeek entry into there to put up some Mer Project flyers.. I see a lot of presentations about b.b. and thought i'd ask here ;)
  • [12:51:55] <rachit> av500: how to get right module, I am using anstrom stable 2009 rfs, U-Boot 2009.06-rc2 (Jun 05 2009 - 10:19:13)
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  • [12:57:32] <av500> I'm hooked: https://www.cmpevents.com/ESCe09/a.asp?option=C&V=11&SessID=9586
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  • [12:58:34] <sakoman_> gm
  • [12:58:56] <av500> gm
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  • [13:00:47] <sakoman_> _koen_: what's the proper way to remove psplash from an angstrom image? Using the technique recommended in the angstrom-2008.1.conf file (BAD_RECOMMENDATIONS) doesn't appear to work
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  • [13:12:23] <_koen_> sakoman__: in .dev the SPLASH variable should take care of that
  • [13:12:24] * _koen_ looks
  • [13:13:19] <_koen_> sakoman__: yeah, raster and I fixed that up, overriding SPLASH should work (SPLASH_pn-foo-image = "" in local.conf)
  • [13:14:04] <sakoman_> _koen_: in this case I'm working with stable/2009
  • [13:14:43] <Crofton|work> sakoman_, prepare a patch implementing that for stable :)
  • [13:15:12] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: sigh, I think there are going to be a bunch of those :-(
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  • [13:16:01] <_koen_> sakoman__: basically we moved stuff like psplash out of task-base* and put it straight into the image recipe
  • [13:16:12] <DJWillis> sakoman_: there are :( ;). Staying on dev for now as a few things I need in stable are not there and I just don't have the time to backport what I need :(.
  • [13:16:24] <DJWillis> _koen_: and it seems to work well.
  • [13:16:42] <_koen_> DJWillis: .dev or the SPLASH thing?
  • [13:16:51] <Crofton|work> if possible, can you post a summary to the list so people know what is useful to move to stable?
  • [13:18:35] <DJWillis> _koen_: in this case, both seem ok at the moment ;)
  • [13:18:48] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: I think it is going to be a weird mishmash of stuff. each client seems to have a handful of stuff that is in dev but not stable
  • [13:19:04] <sakoman_> and there is zero overlap at the moment :-)
  • [13:19:49] <sakoman_> so except for broken packages, I kind of wonder how much really deserves to actually go into stable
  • [13:20:10] <Crofton|work> anything that might be useful to other people
  • [13:20:19] <sakoman_> I worry that if we take the union of all needs we end up with dev :-)
  • [13:21:07] <Crofton> well, I am pretty sure there are changes in dev that will not go into (this) stable branch
  • [13:22:07] <DJWillis> sakoman_: I would tend to concur with that view, stable is just that, a solid and pretty stable base, ok, it's a bit out from dev but that is by design I guess ;-)
  • [13:27:15] <_koen_> Crofton: I had an epiphany last night about the types of OE developers
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  • [13:28:02] <_koen_> Crofton: basically the more lowlevel the language of choice for stuff they do is, the better their commits are
  • [13:28:36] <daniel_ki> that can be true, but it is not necessarily so
  • [13:28:54] <_whitefox> Crofton: I am rebuilding with dev now.
  • [13:28:59] <_koen_> stable/2009 seems to only get commits done by people that don't use python or vala :)
  • [13:29:08] <_whitefox> Crofton: were you able to run openbts with usrp + beagle together?
  • [13:29:10] * _koen_ doesn't program at all
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  • [13:32:07] * sakoman_ is just a EE who pretends that he can
  • [13:32:18] <daniel_ki> You need to know what you are doing. Just because someone uses a high-level language does not mean (s)he does not know what (s)he is doing. It may statistically be the more common combination though.
  • [13:32:37] <Crofton|work> _whitefox, I have built it, others have said that it does work for limited cases
  • [13:32:49] <Crofton|work> the problem is that the source is not easily available yet
  • [13:34:16] <daniel_ki> But I have seen it the other way around as well.
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  • [13:41:34] <SunRaycer`> are there any other boards worth looking at like the beagleboard or gumstix that are commercially available with linux support?
  • [13:42:10] <av500> define "like"
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  • [13:42:33] <av500> or try google 1st....
  • [13:42:36] <fabio_> anybody here?
  • [13:42:53] <SunRaycer`> similar feature set, price, support...
  • [13:42:54] <av500> no
  • [13:43:28] <SunRaycer`> each cpu manufacturer seems to have eval boards, but many of them emphasize I/O rather than small form factor...
  • [13:43:34] <fabio_> does anybody have infos on QT for the beagle?
  • [13:43:54] <_koen_> fabio_: opkg install qt4-x11-free
  • [13:44:18] <fabio_> does it rely on X?
  • [13:44:25] <SunRaycer`> I did find the minotaur BF537 based on blackfin...
  • [13:44:38] <mru> that has a serious drawback: no mmu
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  • [13:44:44] <_koen_> fabio_: if you want qte: opkg install qt4-embedded
  • [13:44:49] <mru> and gcc for blackfin is truly atrocious
  • [13:45:00] <SunRaycer`> av500: what search terms would you use?
  • [13:45:26] <fabio_> thanks koen, will I loose all the DSP performances?
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  • [13:45:40] * mru would recommend something ARM-based
  • [13:45:45] <_koen_> Crofton|work: http://git.mansr.com/?p=ffmpeg.mru;a=commitdiff;h=727188e66fbffdf8f8037f15204a96a56f70e77c
  • [13:45:48] <SunRaycer`> I had the impression blackfin had an mmu... that would be a showstopper. I know it has uclinux support, but uclinux supports both with and without mmu...
  • [13:46:03] <mcz_br> hello, everybody!
  • [13:46:26] <SunRaycer`> mru: yeah, that's what I'm expecting, but just want to see what else is out there.
  • [13:46:29] <mcz_br> i would like to find some people who interface a LCD TFT panel to beagleboard
  • [13:46:40] <av500> SunRaycer`: dunno, would depend on what I was looking for
  • [13:46:41] <mcz_br> in case, a Sharp LQ043 (the same of PSP)
  • [13:47:17] <mru> SunRaycer`: of the embedded architectures ARM has the best tool support, and by far the best vendor cooperation
  • [13:47:20] <fabio_> I'll give it a look, is there any tutorial on Eclispe+QTe+arm-gcc-x.x.x for the beagle? Will my standard setting for the SAM9261 arm-gcc-3.4.2 work?
  • [13:47:28] <mru> try finding anyone from MIPS Inc on irc...
  • [13:47:54] <SunRaycer`> well, all I really need is usb, ram, flash, cpu and maybe ethernet or wifi. anything that is powerful enough to support usb2 should have enough guts for what I want.
  • [13:47:54] <mru> and just look at the ABI mess they've made
  • [13:48:31] <mru> SunRaycer`: sounds like beagle or gumstix is right up your alley
  • [13:48:40] <av500> SunRaycer`: see, your shopping list is very unspecific....
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  • [13:49:21] <av500> but BB or gumstick has a huge community, this alone counts a lot in terms of support...
  • [13:49:33] <av500> there are tons of other boards, but the support is always tricky...
  • [13:49:42] <SunRaycer`> av500: yes, that is a big devel help.
  • [13:50:20] <av500> beware that BB at least is not a very networkin centric design...
  • [13:50:46] <av500> wifi or wired ethernet will not give you GigE speeds....
  • [13:51:08] <SunRaycer`> I realize I'm speaking to a self-selected and/or biased community, but I was trying to get some hints or leads to other possibilities to do some preliminary reading...
  • [13:51:32] <SunRaycer`> I don't need fast network.
  • [13:55:05] <mru> I'm not affiliated with arm in any way
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  • [13:55:38] <av500> my arm(s) are affiliated with me!
  • [13:56:05] <mru> I was considering that joke...
  • [13:56:13] <av500> SunRaycer`: "usb, ram, flash, cpu and maybe ethernet or wifi" can be had from a variety of boards....
  • [13:56:32] <av500> mru: becoming predictable, eh?
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  • [14:01:49] <gremlin[it]> hi all
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  • [14:07:09] <vhallac> Hi, I have asked this earlier, but it may have been too early:
  • [14:07:27] <av500> it's morning here all day long....
  • [14:07:46] <vhallac> we are trying to get a WiFi module working on mmc3, but all commands that expect a response get an IRQ back with two bits set: error, CTO
  • [14:08:26] <vhallac> The mux settings look OK, and we've got signals on CLK and CMD wires.
  • [14:09:44] <vhallac> Any poiners on where I should look? It is a 1.8V device, btw. So wired to the bus directly.
  • [14:10:35] <vhallac> av500: :-)
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  • [14:10:44] <mru> if hardware were like software, you'd have put a 5-12-3.3-5-1.8 chain of level shifters in there
  • [14:10:57] <_koen_> cbrake: have you tried mono 2.4 on beagle yet?
  • [14:11:10] <cbrake> _koen_: no, I have not
  • [14:11:16] <_koen_> cbrake: 1.2.6 segfaults, probably because the beagle kernel has OABI disabled
  • [14:11:41] <mru> can't mono be built with eabi?
  • [14:11:44] <cbrake> _koen_: yeah, its really difficult to keep old versions of mono running -- its pretty fussy
  • [14:11:49] <mru> what's the difference anyway?
  • [14:11:55] * mru never looked at oabi
  • [14:12:17] <cbrake> mru: mono does some low level tricks for performance where they use ASM to directly call syscalls
  • [14:12:30] <cbrake> mru: and some of this low level ASM used OABI conventions in older versions
  • [14:12:42] <mru> idiots
  • [14:12:43] <av500> cbrake: and this will make it how much faster?
  • [14:12:50] <vhallac> mru: I agree
  • [14:12:56] <cbrake> mru: even though the C-code was compiled with EABI
  • [14:13:02] <mru> bigger idiots
  • [14:13:10] <av500> of course, if the asm is oabi, it will stay like that
  • [14:13:12] <mru> but I'd expect nothing less
  • [14:13:33] <mru> ffmpeg asm supports both hardfloat and softfloat calling convention
  • [14:13:37] <mru> no oabi though
  • [14:13:44] <_koen_> mru: I tried to explain that hardcoding a particular abi isn't helpfull to the mono dudes a few years ago, but in the end I gave up
  • [14:14:03] <av500> _koen_: could be hardcoded x86 :-)
  • [14:14:27] * mru has seen that too
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  • [14:14:33] <mru> didn't build too well on alpha
  • [14:14:47] <av500> no code morphing...
  • [14:15:21] <cbrake> av500: I don't know, I just try to get it to build ...
  • [14:16:02] <cbrake> overall mono build system is very well done when you consider the complexity of what they are doing
  • [14:16:15] <mru> high-level languages are mostly useful for glueing bits of lower-level languages together
  • [14:16:18] <cbrake> they even use autotools, which is more than a lot of projects like this can say
  • [14:16:25] <mru> python glues C modules together
  • [14:16:30] <av500> well, it would be well done if it was easy to remove these optimizations and use plain C....
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  • [14:16:32] <mru> C glues asm bits together, etc..
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  • [14:18:12] <cbrake> _koen_: the mono stuff in OE still needs some work -- packaging, and staging
  • [14:18:23] <cbrake> _koen_: things like mono-xsp no longer compile
  • [14:18:44] <cbrake> _koen_: but I think so few people use it, I suspect that moving to 2.4 as the default is probably the way to go
  • [14:19:12] <cbrake> _koen_: I'll give 2.4 a try on OMAP here ...
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  • [14:21:58] <_koen_> cbrake: thanks!
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  • [14:26:48] <vhallac> I am beginning to hate omap mmcs. Each one has a different quirk.
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  • [14:35:24] <n6pfk> I have several different linux distro which work nicely but my latest attempt with Angstrom will not recognize my keyboard or mouse.
  • [14:35:41] <n6pfk> The others do. Is there a way to kick start the usb device recognition?
  • [14:36:07] <vhallac> Oh well, tomorrow is another day. Bye.
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  • [16:02:33] <_koen_> prpplague: ping
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  • [16:04:41] <prpplague> _koen_: pong
  • [16:04:47] <ckrinke> I was able to load the Angstrom demo uImage.bin and the rootfs into the BeagleBoard I received yesterday and Linux just *worked*. I am amazed and pleased. Good job.
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  • [16:05:31] <ckrinke> Took longer to work out all the silly cables and nullmodems with USB-Serial adapters into my laptop then it did to get Linux running.
  • [16:06:11] <av500> ckrinke: u prefer the other way round?
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  • [16:07:06] <ckrinke> oh no, oh no. this is much, much, better. RS-232 always seems to exact a pound of flesh
  • [16:07:25] <av500> 3 wires only, but they cut deep :-)
  • [16:07:56] <ckrinke> But, I have had board projects where it has taken weeks to get to the Linux prompt. Generally board bringup projects.
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  • [16:39:51] <_koen_> ds2: ping
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  • [16:50:46] <av500> Crofton|work: http://elinux.org/OMAP_wishlist
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  • [16:56:03] * _koen_ is looking at irrlicht demos on beagle
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  • [17:08:03] <ant__> _koen_: hi, I'm testing a build blindly copying poky's package-staging.bbclass. I'll let you know
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  • [17:27:39] <prpplague> anyone using pserial with the beagle
  • [17:27:40] <prpplague> ??
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  • [17:31:39] <ThomasEgi> why not asking what problem is bugging you instead?
  • [17:33:00] <prpplague> ThomasEgi: because i can't talk about what i'm working, i was mainly looking to see if there were any "gotcha's" using the pserial procedure
  • [17:33:04] <av500> and what is pserial?
  • [17:33:22] <prpplague> av500: small util to upload code via the uart to omap3
  • [17:33:40] <av500> ah
  • [17:33:55] <av500> I think some ppl here use that...
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  • [18:02:42] <av500> _koen_: gm
  • [18:03:12] <_koen_> hey av500
  • [18:03:36] <av500> looks like moto is just announcing their omap3 design...
  • [18:03:50] <_koen_> nice
  • [18:04:08] <av500> oops, i dont know it ompa3 of course :-)
  • [18:04:13] <av500> it->it's
  • [18:04:19] <av500> lalala
  • [18:04:29] * _koen_ got xload finally working
  • [18:04:42] <av500> sound ..... exiting
  • [18:04:44] <_koen_> I should learn to diff trees before assuming they are the same
  • [18:04:55] <prpplague> _koen_: for the 3517 ?
  • [18:05:01] <_koen_> yes
  • [18:05:13] <av500> shiver...
  • [18:06:20] <_koen_> I did manage to spend some time testing sgx stability with quake3
  • [18:06:27] <_koen_> only to find out I suck at gaming
  • [18:06:39] <av500> iddqd...
  • [18:06:41] <prpplague> _koen_: any major hacks needed?
  • [18:06:41] * _koen_ grabs a book and heads out for food
  • [18:06:49] <prpplague> _koen_: later
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  • [18:39:32] <hersh> hi
  • [18:39:37] <Hersh_> hi
  • [18:39:54] <hersh> request /nick/delete/Hersh
  • [18:40:19] <hersh> join # nick
  • [18:40:25] <hersh> # nick
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  • [18:44:44] <bkero> what
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  • [18:53:12] <user1__> hello
  • [18:54:07] <user1__> I dont know
  • [18:54:14] <user1__> how can i look it up?
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  • [19:50:49] <ckrinke> Is it likely that the Angstrom demo image will recognize and enumerate various USB devices like USB keyboards, USB ethernet adapters and USB WiFi adapters or not? I dont see a dmesg when I connect these three things to a new beagleboard currently running the Angstrom demo image.
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  • [20:47:46] <djlewis_> ckrinke: you might try un tarring the modules with atching R## and reboot.
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  • [20:58:51] <djlewis_> atching = matching
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  • [22:47:12] <djlewis_> should I have said GM! a few hours back? got real quiet.... sshh...
  • [22:48:00] <mru> ssshh, don't wake them
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  • [22:57:13] <djlewis_> hi mru :)
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