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  • [04:13:46] <sakoman> ds2: sad story from Lassen today: http://www.redding.com/news/2009/jul/30/9-year-old-boy-dies-in-lassen-rock-slide-13-old/
  • [04:14:02] <ds2> :(
  • [04:17:07] <ds2> wish they say what part of the trail(above or below the treeline)
  • [04:19:34] <sakoman> it said 1 mile up the 2.5 mile trail, so I am pretty sure that is above the tree line
  • [04:21:07] <sakoman> we were actually planning on going up yesterday, but decided not to because of thunderstorms in the forecast. I'm glad we didn't.
  • [04:21:33] <ds2> isn't the stuff abovethe treeline snow covered still?
  • [04:21:53] <sakoman> No, snow has been gone for a while now
  • [04:22:05] <ds2> even in the summit?
  • [04:22:11] <sakoman> We've had something like 17 days above 100F
  • [04:22:28] <ds2> i remember there still being snow up top during labor day weekend
  • [04:22:43] <sakoman> You can see a bit of snow here and there, but it is 95% brown now
  • [04:23:10] <sakoman> I see it every time I look east :-)
  • [04:23:37] <ds2> hmmm
  • [04:25:08] <sakoman> last time I took that trail in August there was zero snow
  • [04:25:21] <ds2> this was before 2000
  • [04:25:35] <ds2> maybe it is the supposed drought
  • [04:25:38] <sakoman> back when it still rained her ;-)
  • [04:25:40] <sakoman> here
  • [04:26:38] <sakoman> We had crazy rain in 2005 - the road to the summit didn't open till end of June IIRC
  • [04:26:54] <sakoman> So it really depends on the year
  • [04:27:07] <ds2> I see
  • [04:27:16] <ds2> I guess less rain means less mosquitos
  • [04:27:40] <sakoman> yeah, there is some benefit
  • [04:28:19] <sakoman> most of our rain this year came really late, so there was less snow pack due to the warmer temps
  • [04:28:42] <ds2> wonder how full are the PG&E reserviors
  • [04:30:58] <sakoman> don't know. we finally got around to taking the Shasta Dam tour a couple of weeks ago (seems you never do the tourist things that are in your back yard)
  • [04:31:24] <ds2> is the dam in the NF?
  • [04:31:34] <sakoman> IIRC the water level was about 90' down from the dam crest
  • [04:32:13] <sakoman> No, it is just north of Redding in Shasta Lake
  • [04:32:23] <ds2> oh diferent dam
  • [04:33:04] <sakoman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasta_Dam
  • [04:33:22] <ds2> do you get water from that or are you on a well?
  • [04:33:34] <sakoman> I have 2 wells
  • [04:33:58] <sakoman> The water released from the dam just flows into the Sacramento River
  • [04:34:43] <ds2> how deep do you have to go to get water?
  • [04:35:08] <ds2> i.e. are these those shallow wells they you see them digging on the old Pondarosa show
  • [04:35:15] <sakoman> most wells around here are about 300'
  • [04:35:50] <ds2> that's a bit beyond pick and shovel depth
  • [04:36:07] <sakoman> heh, yeah. lots of rock too
  • [04:36:23] <ds2> a good pick can break rocks
  • [04:37:06] <ds2> that reminds me, I need to keep an eye out for a sledge
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  • [04:38:55] <ds2> isn't that what the old gold miners used?
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  • [04:44:26] <ds2> honest mr batf, I was digging a well...
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  • [05:06:39] <manju> my internet connection gets interrupted quite often here ... Is there anyway to resume the download ?..
  • [05:07:12] <manju> I have to start the download process again from the git repository ..
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  • [08:25:02] <_koen_> good morning all
  • [08:28:58] <florian> good morning
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  • [08:46:01] <florian> hi RobertBerger
  • [08:47:37] <RobertBerger> hi florian
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  • [09:13:41] <_dash_> Hi all
  • [09:15:03] <_dash_> _koen_ : Thanks for your help. Finally I have built kernel fully with OE and is working fine.
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  • [09:24:36] <hrw> hi
  • [09:24:42] <mru> hi hrw
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  • [09:33:22] <av500> gm all
  • [09:37:03] <diorahman_> good morning!
  • [09:37:12] <diorahman_> av500: do you know this error: I have an error message from ALSA: while playing aplay -D ladspa theme.wav ALSA lib dlmisc.c:118: (snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol _snd_pcm_ladspa_open
  • [09:37:26] <av500> nope, no idea about ladpspa!
  • [09:37:36] <av500> whatever that is...
  • [09:37:43] <diorahman_> av500: thanks
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  • [10:18:21] <_dash_> hi all
  • [10:18:27] <_dash_> just lost connection
  • [10:21:22] <_dash_> As it is possible to build kernel with bitbake virtual/kernel; is there anything to build individual packages ?
  • [10:22:15] <_dash_> of course bitbake package.bb won't do
  • [10:22:29] <_dash_> since dependancies don't gert resolved
  • [10:22:36] <_dash_> *get
  • [10:23:13] <_koen_> _dash_: 'bitbake name' works
  • [10:23:17] <_koen_> e.g. 'bitbake gnumeric'
  • [10:27:31] <_dash_> thanks _koen_
  • [10:28:12] <_dash_> _koen_: Thanks for ur co-op Now I am enjoying cool life with OE
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  • [10:44:40] <_koen_> Crofton|work: http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/Example_application_using_DSP_Link_on_OMAPL1x
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  • [10:57:16] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [10:57:18] <Crofton|work> thanks
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  • [11:01:40] <Christos_N|Work> Just patched oe's git'ed kernel source tree in oe/tmp/work/beagleboard-...etc, I tried to bitbake again but it did not re-compiled it, how can I force a kernel recompile? (it was mentioned sometime but I forgot it)
  • [11:03:41] * Christos_N|Work says good morning or good afternoon to all
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  • [11:16:20] <diorahman> _koen_: and also the ubifs :-)
  • [11:17:43] <diorahman> ANGSTROMLIBC seems cool
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  • [11:33:42] <_koen_> gerald should have a cronjob to mail the "no, digikey is wrong" stuff twice a day to the ml
  • [11:33:56] * mru suspects that wouldn't help
  • [11:34:21] <mru> maybe we could get digikey to post a big, fat notice on their beagleboard page
  • [11:34:36] <_koen_> "listen to gerald, not us"
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  • [11:52:36] <Crofton|work> the digikey computers are wrong ....
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  • [12:05:11] <koen> av500: ain't it cute how that guy ignores your response and just reposts his original mail?
  • [12:05:23] <thaytan> afternoon
  • [12:05:34] <koen> Crofton|work: https://gstreamer.ti.com/gf/project/bitblit
  • [12:06:11] <av500> koen: the h264 neon guy?
  • [12:06:36] <koen> av500: ys
  • [12:07:15] <av500> cant answer him without getting his decoder, no? :-)
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  • [12:16:30] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [12:17:07] <Crofton|work> gm
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  • [12:17:29] <jkridner|work> anything exciting happening today?
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  • [12:18:15] <_koen_> hey jkridner|work
  • [12:18:30] <_chase_> jkridner: morning
  • [12:19:17] <nadeem> hello
  • [12:19:21] <nadeem> how are you all
  • [12:19:36] <nadeem> I am very new here and have some questions about the beagle board
  • [12:20:35] <_koen_> nadeem: have you checked http://beagleboard.org ?
  • [12:20:55] <Crofton|work> http://www.embedded-computing.com/?p=626
  • [12:21:15] <Crofton|work> I have a google voice number!
  • [12:21:20] <Crofton|work> 540 200 VLBI
  • [12:21:45] <_koen_> very low bandwidtch interface?
  • [12:23:35] <Crofton|work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Long_Baseline_Interferometry
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  • [12:25:11] <muhammed> hi everybody
  • [12:26:03] <nadeem> I was just wondering, does the OMAP Have any GPIO ports wich can be used to control custom external devices?
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  • [12:26:31] <nadeem> For example a device wich requires specialized clocks
  • [12:26:47] <nadeem> can i produce these clocks witht the GPIO ports
  • [12:26:49] <nadeem> ?
  • [12:27:35] <_koen_> hmmm, still in cincin^H^H^H^ memphis
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  • [12:28:35] <nadeem> can anyone help please
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  • [12:31:29] <adj> nadeem: OMAP has about a gaziollion GPIO ports
  • [12:32:49] <adj> nadeem: i suggest you start with OMAP TRM, google is your friend finding it
  • [12:33:05] <Grackle> nadeem, there are a bunch of GPIO ports on the expansion port. Take a look at the beagleboard manual and the OMAP3 technical reference manual.
  • [12:33:41] <nadeem> Hmm thanks
  • [12:33:47] <nadeem> I have not got one yet
  • [12:33:57] <nadeem> but just doing some research on it
  • [12:34:10] <nadeem> soo are the gpio ports fast enough?
  • [12:34:43] <adj> how fast should they be?
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  • [12:35:31] <nadeem> hmmm well i need to creat clocks aproximatly running 27 mhz
  • [12:35:42] <nadeem> but controlled clocks
  • [12:36:48] <nadeem> see i come from a FPGA background , hence I have not yet understood properly on how would the omap deal with custome peripherals
  • [12:40:16] <adj> uhh, is google groups search broken or haven't word "gpio" been mentioned on the mailing list more than 17 times?
  • [12:40:36] <av500> adj: most people mention serial :-)
  • [12:41:17] <av500> nadeem: you would not create a clokc with GPIOs....
  • [12:41:18] <adj> well, 169 hits for serial. I see more posts on serial port "issues" every week
  • [12:41:36] <av500> adj: due to the fact that they ship more and more of BBs...
  • [12:42:05] <av500> and the techincal knowledge of the buyers seems to decline at the same time
  • [12:42:22] <av500> I hope the will not sell them on QVC....
  • [12:42:56] <adj> no wonder they are asking those things from the list because google can't find any previous topics on those issues
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  • [12:43:50] <adj> 3 hits for "spi" from beagle board list using google search. Gnarh.
  • [12:44:44] <Crofton|work> ?
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  • [12:44:51] <Crofton|work> that seems low
  • [12:44:51] <nadeem> Hmm AV500 , how els would you do it with a Omap approach
  • [12:45:05] <nadeem> as i have plenty of Highspeed IOs on my Fpga
  • [12:45:10] <Crofton|work> try mcspi
  • [12:45:32] <adj> Crofton|work: no hits. http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/search?group=beagleboard&q=mcspi
  • [12:45:36] <av500> yes, try any of the "standard" interfaces befory you make you own with GPIOs.
  • [12:45:49] <av500> adj: the TRM hasa hit for sure :-)
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  • [12:46:27] <adj> av500: i guess TRM should have been mentioned more often than 6 times? search seems to be broken
  • [12:46:46] <nadeem> Hmm I am still not clear , what do u mean av500
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  • [12:50:09] <Crofton|work> what is your querstion?
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  • [12:55:38] <nadeem> Crofton: I am try to find some documentation on explaining how the OMAPS IO Ports work
  • [12:55:51] <nadeem> Meaning what are there limitations
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  • [13:00:10] <Christos_N> Hello...
  • [13:01:39] <Christos_N> I've patched oe's kerner source tree and I need to update angstrom's uImage... any help?
  • [13:01:57] <_koen_> how did you patch them?
  • [13:02:12] <_koen_> did you make sure you didn't patch out anything important?
  • [13:03:13] <Christos_N> I went into oe/tmp/work/beagleboard.../linux-omap-2.6.28.r35/git and did the patch
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  • [13:03:44] <Christos_N> I hope I did it right, I've inspected the patch file thoroughly
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  • [13:05:34] <Christos_N> (PREFERRED_version is 2.6.28)
  • [13:06:00] <_koen_> could you post the patch?
  • [13:06:27] <Christos_N> why not? but first I have to test it...
  • [13:06:28] <_koen_> (and 'bitbake linux-omap-2.6.28 -c compile -f; bitbake linux-omap-2.6.28 -c deploy'')
  • [13:06:42] <_koen_> you know open source is about sharing and all
  • [13:06:57] <_koen_> we don't share because we are nice, but because we fear harddisk crashes
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  • [13:07:47] <Christos_N> dont worry... I'm already into this ballgame and I knkow pretty well
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  • [13:09:19] <Christos_N> ok, let me see now what it will happen...
  • [13:09:53] <_koen_> Christos_N: and you really don't want to patch manually, add your patch to SRC_URI like all the other patches
  • [13:10:30] <_koen_> still in memphis
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  • [13:11:55] <Christos_N> _koen_, although I produced a diff, I couldnt patch succesfully with patch, I had some problems so I decided to see the patch file
  • [13:12:06] <sisil> ok anyone there?
  • [13:12:17] <sisil> i haeva a fewquestions...
  • [13:12:25] <sisil> has anyone tried runnign opencv on BB?
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  • [13:17:07] <soDark6> Hi, does anyone know if there are any issues with the instructions on the ossie site concerning Installing DSPLink inside OE?
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  • [13:20:17] <soDark6> I have managed to get it to work but only after I alter the loadmodules...sh file. I am just wondering if I have messed up somewhere.
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  • [13:21:32] <_koen_> soDark6: the loadmodules thing is being worked on
  • [13:22:13] <sakoman> "Now I am enjoying cool life with OE"
  • [13:22:17] <sakoman> I like that :-)
  • [13:22:29] <soDark6> Thanks I am new to this and it took me a while to figure out what was wrong.
  • [13:24:43] <Crofton|work> where is that from?
  • [13:25:28] <_koen_> Crofton|work: IRC earlier this morning
  • [13:25:42] <Crofton|work> ah
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  • [13:35:09] <av500> Christos_N: patch --dry-run will do a dry run and tell you whether it would apply or not
  • [13:35:26] * mru uses git apply
  • [13:36:28] <Christos_N> thats what I used and it failed so I examined the contents, its quite small, 76.7Kb
  • [13:36:45] <mru> git apply -v is often helpful
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  • [13:37:48] <Christos_N> only 14 files are either altered or produced as new
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  • [13:39:24] <av500> post the patch somwhere
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  • [13:39:36] <Christos_N> ok
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  • [13:49:14] <bobkatzz> pic, pic pic! that's all I see on Elektor or other experimental and robotics sites - wouldn't you thing the Beagleboard is a "PIC KILLER"??
  • [13:49:28] <bobkatzz> s/thing/think B^)
  • [13:50:12] <bobkatzz> and hi all - been away at external domstic husbandry session #23.a - painting the house
  • [13:50:56] <av500> not the bikeshed?
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  • [13:51:50] <bobkatzz> so anyway - back to the PIC thing - Why would anyone want to use assembler (or Pic for that matter) for things like robotics when the BB has DSP and kinds of kewl goodies - PLUS you can use any programming language - AND - it's a web server - AND - it has Bluetooth, Wifi, etc etc capabilities?
  • [13:52:26] <bobkatzz> hehe - hey av500 - no but I feel like I've been run over by a Harley !!
  • [13:52:57] <av500> well, if all the robot does it to back off a few inch and rotate 90 degrees when hitting an obstacle, a pic is enuf...
  • [13:52:58] <_koen_> bobkatzz: a PIC is lowpower and can be programmed by a 8 year old
  • [13:53:14] <av500> _koen_: 3y to go for me then :-)
  • [13:53:24] <bobkatzz> heh
  • [13:53:30] <RobertBerger> bobkatzz: price and power consumption, I would guess
  • [13:53:43] <soDark6> give me an 8080 any day
  • [13:53:57] <bobkatzz> 5v is not low power?
  • [13:54:09] <_koen_> 5v is voltage, not power :)
  • [13:54:21] <mru> 5V is High Voltage
  • [13:54:22] <_koen_> for DC power = v * a
  • [13:54:44] <av500> mru: 12V is!
  • [13:57:22] <bobkatzz> but the robots the 8 year-olds are programming are basically remote-control cars with a couple of "controllable" appendages so in my opinion they do not count as anything more serious
  • [13:58:12] <bobkatzz> I'm mainly talking about the Arduino boards and such - isn't the BB much more "app-friendly"?
  • [13:58:47] <av500> yes
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  • [13:59:45] <av500> but there is nobody at elektor that can read a 3000page TRM :-)
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  • [14:00:31] <av500> selling a "kit" with an OMAP3 has very high setup costs compared to a PIC
  • [14:01:16] <bobkatzz> yeah that's true if your time is not worth anything - i.e. you're 8 years old hehe
  • [14:01:24] <av500> of course ppl can sell robotics oriented BB add-ons...
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  • [14:02:12] <av500> like the stuf the "dj" is working on
  • [14:02:13] <bobkatzz> I'm talking serious robotics - SBIR / DARPA grant-type applications :D
  • [14:02:14] <rachit> Does it have any performamnce effect if I build application using CS toolchain and run using Angstrom root file system and it's binaries
  • [14:02:27] <av500> bobkatzz: and they run on PIC today? :-)
  • [14:03:07] <av500> look DARPA, we have that 1mio PIC cluster idea....
  • [14:03:43] <bobkatzz> beowolf BB's < - - - boink!
  • [14:03:59] <mru> that's a beaglewolf
  • [14:04:03] <bobkatzz> ok - well I got that off my chest anyway hehe
  • [14:04:36] <RobertBerger> if it's for DARPA and needs to go though DOD whatever certifications I would go for the PIC cluster;)
  • [14:04:37] <bobkatzz> bea-wolf
  • [14:05:34] <bobkatzz> oh - the pic has high definition video and accelerated graphics at chip level?
  • [14:06:00] <bobkatzz> and DSP?
  • [14:06:20] <av500> if you take enuf of them, maybe ;-)
  • [14:06:41] <av500> one per PIC-sel or so ;-)
  • [14:06:49] <mru> ;-)
  • [14:06:57] <mru> and the interconnect?
  • [14:06:58] <bobkatzz> if you hand craft eough individual pixels you could make a bitmap image too - would you?
  • [14:07:01] <av500> netsync
  • [14:07:26] <bobkatzz> heh we all got that
  • [14:07:59] <av500> what waz we arguing about actually? :-)
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  • [14:08:57] <RobertBerger> a robot with high definition video for DARPA;)
  • [14:10:41] <bobkatzz> no - lack of imagination at DARPA
  • [14:11:22] <bobkatzz> i think DARPA has a very wide field of project definition
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  • [14:13:48] <bobkatzz> no av500 <discussing!> B^)
  • [14:14:22] <rachit> _koen_:Does it have any performamnce effect if I build application using CS toolchain and run using Angstrom root file system and it's binaries?
  • [14:15:30] <_koen_> rachit: it isn't garanteed to work
  • [14:16:00] <bobkatzz> ok guys - I gotta go finish sanding the soffetts and get them painted before it rains this afternoon - so be wll and I'll catch you maybe sometime this weekend - hope you're feeling better _koen_!
  • [14:16:02] <_koen_> rachit: you need to use the same compiler and compile flags as the rest of the system, unless you like debugging random crashes, segfaults and linking errors
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  • [14:18:26] <_dash_> I am facing some problem with OE build. First of all I built kernel with bitbake virtual/kernel (successfull)
  • [14:18:42] <_dash_> then I gave bitbake mplayer (successfull)
  • [14:19:30] <_dash_> but code inside angstrom-dev/worl/beagle-##/linux-omap-## disappeared ..
  • [14:19:59] <_dash_> So question here is does it clear code inside amstrong dev after building it ?
  • [14:20:27] <_koen_> bitbake virtual/kernel -c compile -f, that will put the code back
  • [14:20:29] <hrw> _dash_: oh... it is terrible!
  • [14:20:36] <Crofton|work> did you include "inherit rm_work" in local.conf
  • [14:20:38] <rachit> _keon_: how to get details of compiler which kernel has been compiled?
  • [14:20:44] <Crofton|work> at least one the guides suggests that
  • [14:20:57] <hrw> Crofton|work: rather INHERIT += "rm_work"
  • [14:21:00] <_koen_> rachit: tried going to the angstrom website and click on 'developers'?
  • [14:21:03] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [14:21:04] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [14:21:25] <_koen_> Crofton|work: rm_work is awesome, it teaches people to extract patches and add it to SRC_URI
  • [14:21:31] <hrw> Crofton|work: we need to write guide with INHERIT += "let-break-my-build-badly"
  • [14:21:50] <_dash_> after building kernel code was there but after building "bitbake mplayer code was cleared"
  • [14:22:15] <_dash_> Can same thing be used for mplayer
  • [14:22:34] <_dash_> like .... bitbake mplayer -c compile -f
  • [14:22:38] <_dash_> ??
  • [14:23:38] <_koen_> yes
  • [14:24:35] <_dash_> thanks
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  • [14:53:56] <rachit> _koen_:thanks, How to download angstrom toolchain from site?
  • [14:54:36] <_koen_> rachit: follow the instructions from the developer link, that will git you a toolchain tailored to your system
  • [14:54:52] <rachit> _koen_: thanks
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  • [15:08:26] <lool> Hey
  • [15:08:50] <lool> I built a custom kernel and started from beagle_defconfig + some USB configs, but it seems I can't see the USB hub which I plugged on the mini USB port
  • [15:08:57] <lool> Or any device on it
  • [15:09:10] <lool> I'm using a rev C + mini A/standard A adapter
  • [15:09:45] <lool> Same on the EHCI port
  • [15:10:44] <lool> I guess I'm missing some configs but can't figure out which
  • [15:11:17] <hrw> LOL
  • [15:11:26] <dual> Does the beagle board have a small DVI or standard DVI?
  • [15:11:36] <lool> dual: HDMI
  • [15:11:37] <hrw> dual: none of them
  • [15:11:49] <dual> Oh, so I need a HDMI>DVI then?
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  • [15:11:57] <av500> dual: yes
  • [15:12:01] <dual> Ok, thanks :)
  • [15:12:09] <av500> dont pay more than $5
  • [15:12:41] * av500 waits for koen to tell me that DE has is for 0.43???....
  • [15:12:59] <dual> This would work? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.709
  • [15:13:11] <dual> Um, maybe that's the wrong way
  • [15:13:21] <av500> this one if you have an HDMI cablr
  • [15:13:30] <av500> the other one if you have DVI cable
  • [15:13:38] <dual> av500, This one would work then? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1501
  • [15:13:38] <av500> or buy a cable HDMI->DVI
  • [15:13:47] <dual> Yes, I think that's that ^
  • [15:13:53] <av500> no, too expensive
  • [15:14:08] <av500> unless you need 3m
  • [15:14:39] <_koen_> my 2m hdmi -> dvi was 2 euro and 50 cents
  • [15:14:50] <av500> I knew I could count on you :-)
  • [15:14:55] <dual> Can I use two monitors with this? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26415
  • [15:15:28] <_koen_> it seems that way, although I wonder if all monitors can handle the voltage drop
  • [15:15:33] <av500> try and tell :-)
  • [15:15:39] <av500> or cascade them....
  • [15:15:53] <dual> But this would work, right? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.743
  • [15:16:23] <_koen_> yes
  • [15:16:26] <av500> yes
  • [15:16:31] <av500> with an DVI cable
  • [15:16:38] <dual> Maybe I should order both to try dual monitors :)
  • [15:16:39] <av500> -n
  • [15:16:43] * _koen_ is waiting for the backordered hdmi cable from DX to arrive
  • [15:17:13] <av500> you can order half of DE for the price of a BB, so go on :-)
  • [15:17:37] <dual> :)
  • [15:17:42] <_koen_> DX is one of the sites I shouldn't be allowed to visit
  • [15:17:45] <av500> dual: this one is for you: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26936
  • [15:17:51] <dual> Going to check if my board has shipped
  • [15:18:08] <av500> _koen_: it keeps me from ordering by messing up my "cart" all the time....
  • [15:18:17] <av500> better than selfcontrol..
  • [15:18:38] <dual> av500, Is that better than having a separate dvi cable? I've got a lot of them laying around
  • [15:18:42] <av500> gold cable is better for silky smooth video
  • [15:18:48] <dual> Ok
  • [15:18:53] <av500> :-)
  • [15:20:35] <dual> No! My board hasn't been shipped yet
  • [15:20:38] <av500> _koen_: can I subscribe to get all new $2 gadgets every month?
  • [15:20:40] <dual> A week since I ordered it
  • [15:21:53] <av500> dual: yes, we asked DK to ship more slowly as we cannot handle the newbie influx here...
  • [15:22:40] <dual> Lol.. is that true..?
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  • [15:23:11] <mru> av500: http://xkcd.com/576/
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  • [15:29:09] <av500> we should do #beagle_staging and pull from there...
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  • [15:34:34] <littlewookie> hey, is there a way mounting ntfs drives with angrstrom
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  • [15:37:46] <_koen_> littlewookie: if you're using the unstable tree you can use ntfs-3g, on the stable one, you should be able to use the kernel fs driver
  • [15:38:27] <littlewookie> _koen_: umm, i think i should first ask what version is actuall the best (revB)
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  • [15:51:34] <littlewookie> i got Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2009.X-test-20090210-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2
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  • [16:07:38] * dirk2 wonders if touchbook's "Initial Shipment Expected July 2009" is still true http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm
  • [16:09:24] * hrw wonders when more ARM based netbooks will be on market...
  • [16:09:34] <hrw> and when first 10-12" will arrive
  • [16:10:10] <_koen_> dirk2: I think it is, Gregoire ask for my address details 2 days ago :)
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  • [16:10:19] <hrw> 8.9" have too small keyboard ;(
  • [16:10:49] <_koen_> hrw: or a way to large bezel around the screen
  • [16:10:56] <hrw> koen: you will get device from 2nd run - marked 'prototype' inside
  • [16:11:15] * _koen_ is pondering making a hackintosh of a hp mini 1000
  • [16:11:19] <dirk2> _koen_: Great news :)
  • [16:11:37] <hrw> koen: I do not want to have device with 10" size and 8.9" screen if you said that
  • [16:12:47] <_koen_> hrw: that's what I meant
  • [16:13:19] <vlad> hrw: http://www.mobinnova.com/en/index.aspx seem pretty close, with the elan
  • [16:13:55] <av500> "The Mobinnova ICE redefines the touch-screen mobile phone category."
  • [16:14:06] <vlad> yeah, ignore tha merketing gobbledygook :)
  • [16:14:20] <mru> oooh, it REDEFINES something, I MUST get one!
  • [16:14:26] <_koen_> looks nice
  • [16:14:28] <vlad> http://mobinnova.com/en/news_elan.html :)
  • [16:14:34] <_koen_> does it have an omap option?
  • [16:14:35] <av500> "...and Microsoft web browser,"
  • [16:14:48] <av500> a CE skinjob....
  • [16:14:50] <vlad> _koen_: don't think so
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  • [16:15:14] <av500> at least the know how to use blender....
  • [16:15:38] <av500> "A webcam for sharing video." just hold it in front of your TV
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  • [16:20:04] <littlewookie> _koen_: how can i add the experimental /unstable feeds to angstrom ( only known to apt )
  • [16:20:34] <_koen_> littlewookie: create a new image with narcissus, mixing stable and unstable feeds isn't a good idea
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  • [16:21:19] <littlewookie> :S
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  • [16:21:42] <littlewookie> i just want ntfs, i don't want to rebuild my os
  • [16:22:08] <littlewookie> how to install/load the kernelmodule for ntfs?
  • [16:24:20] <_koen_> it should be already there
  • [16:27:45] <hrw> vlad: wince device...
  • [16:28:07] <hrw> vlad: I would rather buy ULV based laptop
  • [16:28:13] <littlewookie> :/ i cant find it
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  • [16:29:38] <hrw> vlad: and no, 8.9" is too small for my fingers
  • [16:29:53] <vlad> yeah, the keyboard is not great
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  • [16:30:18] <_koen_> littlewookie: 'su - ' and then 'depmod -ae ; modprobe ntfs'
  • [16:30:51] <hrw> vlad: one info - I want such device to replace my 12" laptop
  • [16:31:57] <hrw> koen: angstrom autobuilder do not support sheevaplug?
  • [16:32:14] <littlewookie> _koen_: i only have these fs modules: binfmt_aout.ko ext4 fuse isofs jbd2 mbcache.ko udf xfs
  • [16:32:38] <hrw> littlewookie: "opkg update;opkg install kernel-modules"
  • [16:33:33] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
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  • [16:35:51] <littlewookie> umm thanks
  • [16:37:44] <Qball> howdy
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  • [16:50:05] <littlewookie> -.- i now have many kernel modules but none for ntfs
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  • [17:08:08] <oc2k1> A small Idea (that may cause a lot of work): Replace the main PCB of a Neo Freerunner with a Beagleboard like PCB and some Neos IO stuff (GPS...). But which GSM / 3G chip would be recommended?
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  • [17:11:41] <Stskeeps> i'd personally wire up a huawei 3g modem and be happy at that point
  • [17:12:26] <littlewookie> T_T , still no ntfs
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  • [17:16:47] <oc2k1> Stskeeps do you have a few more details (partnumber) ?
  • [17:18:06] <Stskeeps> no
  • [17:22:48] <oc2k1> A usb one .....
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  • [17:46:28] <_koen_> darn, still in memphis
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  • [17:58:41] <Christos_N> memphis, memphis, do you copy athens? over.
  • [17:59:38] <av500> broadsword calls dannyboy
  • [18:00:57] <Christos_N> :-)
  • [18:08:38] <Christos_N> there is something wrong in the patching and kernel rebuilt
  • [18:09:58] <Christos_N> the mach-types.h file is not regenerated so the new board type is not known although included in the mach-types file
  • [18:11:00] <Christos_N> _koen_ any thoughts?
  • [18:13:37] <Christos_N> av500 is that familiar to you?
  • [18:14:50] <_koen_> _koen_: did the 'source' of machtypes get patched?
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  • [18:16:19] <Christos_N> well...
  • [18:16:26] <koen> sweet: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/list.php?id=2330
  • [18:16:47] <koen> that means you can download the latest one from http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/ and patch that in
  • [18:16:50] <julem> I want to conf my wireless network in BB, does anyone has a WPA with pre-shared key conf? can anyone pass me the script? I mean: iwconfig wlan0 mode managed, iwconfig ... etc
  • [18:17:20] <_koen_> don't you need wpa-supplicant for wpa?
  • [18:17:37] * _koen_ would just edit /etc/network/interfaces or use connman-applet
  • [18:17:47] <julem> ???
  • [18:17:57] <julem> I dont use it
  • [18:18:20] <julem> isnt iwconfig capable of WPA?'
  • [18:18:20] <Crofton> ravishi, so the L137 example does not build on the beagle?
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  • [18:18:44] <_koen_> Crofton: some mentioned "changes should be trivial"
  • [18:19:28] <Christos_N> _koen_ that is not the problem
  • [18:19:46] <Christos_N> I have the proper mach-types file
  • [18:19:49] <Crofton> heh
  • [18:19:55] <Crofton> if you know what the cchanges are :)
  • [18:20:05] <Christos_N> the problem is that it does not get rebuild
  • [18:20:23] <Christos_N> the mach-types.h
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  • [18:22:43] <Christos_N> the kernel gets recompiled ok but the mach-types.h is not re-builded
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  • [18:23:31] <julem> is the wpa_supplicant inside Angstrong distro by default?
  • [18:23:45] <_koen_> Christos_N: tried removing mach-types.h to force a regen?
  • [18:23:59] <Christos_N> aha, ok
  • [18:24:13] <_koen_> julem: it's inside the beagle-demo image by default, but since angstrom is a generic distro you can build images without it
  • [18:25:14] <julem> oooh ok... but... can I use iwconfig for WPA?
  • [18:25:24] <ravishi> crofton: not directly. i tried editing the files but no luck
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  • [18:25:54] <ravishi> now, i am copying over the sample app message to a similar format as the helloDSP
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  • [18:26:37] <Crofton> yeah
  • [18:27:00] <Crofton> maybe someone who knows how the dsp stuff works will appear and explain :)
  • [18:27:09] <ravishi> i actually got it to compile for both the gpp and dsp
  • [18:27:27] <ravishi> using the helloDSP makefile after editting
  • [18:27:32] <ravishi> now to test it
  • [18:28:39] <Crofton> awesome
  • [18:30:50] <_koen_> speaking of DSP...
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  • [18:31:09] * _koen_ sends some feedback to bitblit authors about makefile issues
  • [18:31:44] <_koen_> I was presently surprised to see that the problems with it I can spot are minor enough to get fixed with sed
  • [18:31:52] <_koen_> s/presently/pleasantly/
  • [18:33:28] <muriani> Point taken :p
  • [18:33:48] <_koen_> Crofton: hopefully I have some free cycles to spend on 'external' link recipes
  • [18:34:05] <Crofton|work> good, it sounds like ravi can get something together
  • [18:34:08] <muriani> or was that a jab at asian accents? 'cuz that's something I'd do, given I work with a large number of chinese people :p
  • [18:34:22] <Crofton|work> then we can see if we can fab a real build system
  • [18:35:03] <_koen_> muriani: no, it was me typing and watching TV at the same time
  • [18:35:41] <janneg> _koen_: btw do you know if someone tested mythtv svn after the bump?
  • [18:35:44] <_koen_> muriani: like http://xkcd.com/604/
  • [18:35:59] <_koen_> janneg: I was planning to, but never got to it
  • [18:36:17] <_koen_> janneg: I'd like to demo myth 0.22 on beagle at IBC
  • [18:37:42] <janneg> _koen_: IBC is in september? ping me if you need mythtv related help
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  • [18:39:22] <_koen_> janneg: yes, that IBC :)
  • [18:40:29] <_koen_> janneg: but it isn't certain yet that the demo will get shown, trying to prepare as much as possible and select later
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  • [18:41:29] <mcz_br> hello, everybody!
  • [18:41:55] <mcz_br> i have a question about purchasing beagleboard
  • [18:42:07] <janneg> _koen_: understood. still if you have problems with the mythtv demo I'll see what I can do
  • [18:42:08] <mcz_br> we are interested in utilizing beagle in a product
  • [18:42:23] <mcz_br> so, I wonder if there is a way to acquire more than 25 units
  • [18:42:42] <mcz_br> i've talked with Digikey ... and they only can sell 25 units per order
  • [18:42:57] <mcz_br> does anyone have some idea?
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  • [18:43:42] <_koen_> janneg: is it possible to have livetv or recording playback done by an external app (e.g. gst-launch)?
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  • [18:45:26] <muriani> koen: lol, yeah I do that at times :p
  • [18:45:57] <_koen_> muriani: I know the option is there, but it didn't work when I tried it
  • [18:46:05] <_koen_> granted, that was like 4 years ago :)
  • [18:48:09] <janneg> _koen_: not really. that's mythtv's core functionality and for live-tv communication with the backend is necessary. video playback from mythvideo has still support for external playback application
  • [18:48:26] <janneg> I guess you want to demonstrate HD playback
  • [18:50:52] <_koen_> janneg: SD playback on davinci would be nice as well (300MHz arm926)
  • [18:51:51] <Crofton> mcz_br, maybe look at the overo?
  • [18:53:08] <_koen_> mcz_br: you could try asking gerald coley for volume options, he might have suggestions on how to convince digikey or go another route
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  • [18:55:52] <ravishi> sweet, it worked
  • [18:55:58] <Crofton> cool
  • [18:56:14] <Crofton> so like you have a small version of messagegpp
  • [18:56:19] <Crofton> +dsp
  • [18:56:22] <ravishi> just a couple more tests and i'll tar it up
  • [18:56:26] <Crofton> cool
  • [18:56:31] <Crofton> Roger will buy you beer
  • [18:56:34] <mcz_br> koen: do you the e-mail of gerald coley?
  • [18:56:44] <Crofton> look in the beagel group
  • [18:56:46] <mcz_br> do you know the e-mail?
  • [18:56:50] <mcz_br> ok!
  • [18:56:51] <mcz_br> thanks
  • [18:56:56] <_av500_> so the dsp on the omap3 is not a myth any more, ppl manage to use it?
  • [18:56:56] <_koen_> what Crofton said :)
  • [18:56:58] <mcz_br> i will try this
  • [18:56:58] <Crofton> easy to find
  • [18:57:14] <Crofton> basically, to find it, we would go the same
  • [18:57:22] <_koen_> _av500_: I didn't see Adam and Jamie show up here
  • [18:57:30] <Crofton> also, the gumstix guys are better prepared to do volume deliveries
  • [18:57:39] <ravishi> yeah, it is almost exactly the file structure of helloDSP. one directory with the source code, one makefile, and the debug and release folders
  • [18:58:01] <_av500_> only one makefile? underkill!
  • [18:58:02] <Crofton> except none of the cruft :)
  • [18:58:10] <ravishi> lol underkill
  • [18:58:18] <_av500_> i hope it has javascript at least...
  • [18:58:20] <_koen_> recursive make considered harmfull
  • [18:58:24] <Crofton> this should really help people try thing with the dsp
  • [18:58:27] <Crofton> bah
  • [18:58:34] <Crofton> reursive make is fine :)
  • [18:58:53] <_av500_> do that all the time
  • [18:58:54] <janneg> _koen_: 300MHz sounds pretty low? how does it compare to a pentium2 300MHz?
  • [18:59:01] <_av500_> janneg: no
  • [18:59:06] <_koen_> Crofton: I'll start forwarding the "why do my kernel modules fail to load" support calls to you :)
  • [18:59:18] <_koen_> janneg: no floating point or SIMD
  • [19:00:07] <_av500_> but the dsp does the SD video for you
  • [19:00:12] <Crofton> send the to ravishi he's the guru
  • [19:00:38] <ravishi> lol yeah right
  • [19:00:43] <_koen_> _av500_: yes, but not with ffmpeg (yet)
  • [19:00:53] <_av500_> well ...
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  • [19:01:00] <_av500_> use avos
  • [19:01:01] <Crofton> for your next trick, make the same thing, but use the fft
  • [19:01:07] <ravishi> my beagle is a mess right now.
  • [19:01:13] <Crofton> heh
  • [19:01:16] <Crofton> get more sd cards
  • [19:01:35] <ravishi> yeah i want to wipe it out and start over. i've gone through 5 dsplink builds
  • [19:01:43] <janneg> _koen_: floating point is probably not a problem, but without mmx a pentium2 .3GHz would be way too slw
  • [19:01:45] <_koen_> Crofton: fft is what happens when your bike springs a leak, right?
  • [19:02:00] <_av500_> janneg: no way for video on the 300mhz arm...
  • [19:02:17] <Crofton> ravishi, koen has taken a class on fft's once
  • [19:02:18] <_av500_> no, when u supply 12V to bb
  • [19:02:19] <_koen_> Crofton: ce rebuilds are slow because we issue a 'make clean' everytime
  • [19:02:30] <janneg> _av500_: yeah, suspected that
  • [19:02:44] <_av500_> why would you rebuild ce all the time?
  • [19:02:49] <_koen_> _av500_: QCIF mpeg2 :)
  • [19:03:03] <_av500_> _koen_: sure
  • [19:03:39] <ravishi> he probably knows more about them than i do
  • [19:03:47] * _koen_ waits for someone to say either "it's not 1996 anymore" or "that's not video, that's a postage stamp!"
  • [19:03:59] <muriani> lol
  • [19:04:07] <sakoman> "it's not 1996 anymore"
  • [19:04:17] <sakoman> "that's not video, that's a postage stamp!"
  • [19:04:32] <_av500_> fft is used for eye candy in car stereos, no?
  • [19:04:34] <janneg> damn, too slow ;)
  • [19:04:38] <_koen_> sakoman: good, if it were 1996 I wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol :)
  • [19:05:03] <Crofton> 1996
  • [19:05:11] <Crofton> I was still doing steel mills then ...
  • [19:05:43] <_av500_> i got my msc...
  • [19:06:06] <_koen_> iirc I was just starting highschool then
  • [19:06:07] <sakoman> I was trying to compete with MS in the desktop OS business
  • [19:06:16] <_av500_> hehe
  • [19:06:34] <_av500_> xou came 2nd after all
  • [19:06:41] <_av500_> you
  • [19:07:25] <_koen_> sakoman: you should do a tongue-in-cheek demo image with a beos theme for the wm on overo
  • [19:07:26] <_av500_> or was that post fruit already?
  • [19:07:42] <muriani> haha
  • [19:07:49] <muriani> <3 BeOS.
  • [19:07:52] <sakoman> _koen_: not a bad idea :-)
  • [19:08:13] * _av500_ insert obvoius amiga reference...
  • [19:08:18] <_koen_> muriani: do you worship sakoman by association?
  • [19:08:43] <muriani> no
  • [19:08:45] <muriani> ?
  • [19:08:49] <_av500_> bitbake bouncy_ball
  • [19:08:55] <muriani> sakoman worked on BeOS?
  • [19:09:06] <muriani> if he did, I might...
  • [19:09:07] <_av500_> si
  • [19:09:09] <Crofton> um
  • [19:09:17] <_koen_> muriani: try co-founding be inc :)
  • [19:09:21] <muriani> :o
  • [19:09:26] <Crofton> google shape shifting reptilian alien
  • [19:09:48] <ThomasEgi> shape shifting reptilian basketball playing alien with dreadlocks?
  • [19:09:50] <muriani> oh snap
  • [19:09:52] <ThomasEgi> radical edward?
  • [19:10:36] <_koen_> sakoman: I wish st. barbara was closer to nocal
  • [19:10:38] <sakoman> I need to smack Mike Popvic next time I see him
  • [19:10:57] <sakoman> I don't know where he came up with that
  • [19:11:04] <_av500_> _koen_: i wished the same for sfo... :(
  • [19:11:08] <sakoman> IIRC he's in Maine
  • [19:11:17] <Crofton> http://www.bedoper.com/bedoper/2004/twentythird.htm
  • [19:11:24] <sakoman> _av500_: it was only 3 hours for you!
  • [19:11:30] <_av500_> 4
  • [19:11:43] <sakoman> we could have met in a cotton field halfway ;-)
  • [19:11:58] <_av500_> bass wanted to go shopping...
  • [19:12:01] <_av500_> boss
  • [19:12:21] <_koen_> although I could try to fly back on a monday instead of friday and tour CA in the weekend
  • [19:12:46] <_av500_> _koen_: do it before they close it down
  • [19:12:50] <sakoman> CA is a big state
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  • [19:13:26] <_koen_> sakoman: I already did the CA, AZ, NV and Utah tour
  • [19:13:32] <_koen_> from the backseat, but still
  • [19:13:56] <sakoman> Santa Barbara is about an 8 hour drive from me
  • [19:14:22] <_koen_> I suspect taking a plane would be an option :)
  • [19:14:26] <sakoman> But it would take you through San Jose and SFO
  • [19:14:44] <sakoman> Yeah that is 2 hours in the air
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  • [19:15:29] <_koen_> AC_LBL_LINUX_TPACKET_AUXDATA_TP_VLAN_TCI
  • [19:15:30] <_koen_> hmmm
  • [19:15:51] <Crofton> is that a joke?
  • [19:15:56] <_koen_> no
  • [19:16:04] <_koen_> but google returns you as top hit
  • [19:16:54] <_av500_> it does not start with a Q, so no ham...
  • [19:17:50] <sakoman> heh, underquoted definition of AC_LBL_LINUX_TPACKET_AUXDATA_TP_VLAN_TCI
  • [19:18:14] <_koen_> sakoman: yes, that one :)
  • [19:18:16] <sakoman> after that many characters anyone would have forgotten that they did the openig quote!
  • [19:18:59] <_koen_> I wish it would say "you're missing an .m4 files containing the AC_LBL.. macro" instead of underquoted definition
  • [19:19:53] <_av500_> id go for lunch after typing half of it..
  • [19:21:28] <ravishi> does anyone have time to test out the gpp/dsp makefile. it works on my machine/beagle
  • [19:21:33] <sakoman> time for an iced coffee. hot as hell here again today
  • [19:22:18] <Crofton> ravishi, send me a copy, I need to figure out how to load a spi driver in another driver first though
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  • [19:22:37] <Crofton> ravishi, how hard is it to setup?
  • [19:22:50] <ravishi> ok, i gotta run to the dmv before it closes
  • [19:22:52] <Crofton> ah crap, I haven't built codec engine lately
  • [19:22:54] <Crofton> ok
  • [19:23:00] <Crofton> you working against stable?>
  • [19:23:05] <ravishi> not hard, just use make -s clean && make
  • [19:23:13] <ravishi> in both gpp and dsp folders
  • [19:23:20] <Crofton> yeah, I just need to build codec engine ...
  • [19:23:37] <Crofton> have fun at the dmv, take lots of id
  • [19:23:37] <ravishi> if you already have the dsplinkk module loaded, you should be able to run them
  • [19:23:45] <ravishi> yeah seriously
  • [19:24:08] <_av500_> get
  • [19:24:23] <_av500_> get "dsplinkk" plates....
  • [19:24:29] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [19:25:06] <Crofton|work> when will Roger be back?
  • [19:25:22] <_koen_> Crofton: monday
  • [19:25:28] <Crofton> cool
  • [19:25:35] <_koen_> Crofton: and I will be sitting next to him wedneday-friday
  • [19:25:41] <Crofton> I think ravishi's work will make him happy
  • [19:26:02] <_koen_> I hope so :)
  • [19:26:44] <_koen_> Crofton|work, sakoman: pcap.m4 provides that macro, so I suspect 'yum install libpcap-devel' or 'aptitude install libpcap-dev' will fix it
  • [19:26:46] * _koen_ tries
  • [19:27:02] <_koen_> libpcap.m4 that is
  • [19:27:24] <ravishi> gmail won't let me send the tar since it has an executable. i'll upload it to my website
  • [19:28:00] <_av500_> gmail checks for exes in tars?
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  • [19:28:50] <_av500_> they also filter bad language?
  • [19:29:01] <ravishi> ravishi.com/messageSA.tar.gz
  • [19:29:20] <Crofton> clean it :)
  • [19:29:52] <ravishi> did it work?
  • [19:29:59] <Crofton> I got it
  • [19:30:03] <ravishi> k, i'm off
  • [19:30:07] <Crofton> l85
  • [19:30:14] <ravishi> have a good weekend guys
  • [19:30:18] <Crofton> some guy is going to appear and ask about 30 and 31 kerneles ....
  • [19:30:20] <Crofton> l8r
  • [19:30:25] <john3909> Is there a way to build a .30 or .31 kernel in OE for the BeagleBoard?
  • [19:30:26] <Crofton> I am off to the cow field
  • [19:30:41] <Crofton> well tomorrow
  • [19:30:52] <_koen_> john3909: 'bitbake linux-omap-pm' should build a .31rc
  • [19:31:06] <_koen_> john3909: but .30 and .31rc are pretty broken for beagle
  • [19:31:19] <_av500_> ravishi: armv5t?
  • [19:31:21] <john3909> _koen_: thanks
  • [19:32:20] <_av500_> koen: when you build ce in oe, do you build all the ce libs?
  • [19:32:27] <Crofton> I think he combined the l137 make files with the message from dsplnk
  • [19:32:45] <Crofton> if there is armv5t in the makefile that is why :)
  • [19:32:51] <_av500_> or only stuff like dsplink and lpm?
  • [19:32:53] <_koen_> _av500_: iirc, yes
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  • [19:33:27] <_av500_> i never tried :)
  • [19:33:32] <_koen_> _av500_: it used to build everythin (arm, x86, glibc, uclibc, davinci, dm3xx and omap, but iirc nowadays only omap3)
  • [19:34:09] <_koen_> Crofton|work: FWIW, yum install libpcap-devel fixed it for me
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  • [19:34:19] <_av500_> but then i need known good to be able to make 3rd parties feel safe...
  • [19:34:50] <_koen_> for the g00gl3: the AC_LBL_LINUX_TPACKET_AUXDATA_TP_VLAN_TCI problem can be fixed by install libpcap-devel on the host
  • [19:35:45] <_av500_> what the max search entry length in google :)
  • [19:38:07] * Christos_N says: Houston... the Eagle has landed
  • [19:38:25] <_av500_> where?
  • [19:38:40] <Christos_N> on dk8kkkkk
  • [19:39:21] <_av500_> tyropita for everybody!
  • [19:39:40] <_koen_> I have eggs now :)
  • [19:39:48] <_koen_> have to get filo tomorrow
  • [19:40:00] <Christos_N> I've booted the Beagleboard-demo-image target
  • [19:40:36] <Christos_N> at least it does not crash...
  • [19:41:01] <_av500_> _koen_: dont use royal snail mail to send it :)
  • [19:41:39] <_koen_> heh, no
  • [19:41:47] <_koen_> next time it will probably be DHL
  • [19:42:25] <_koen_> since I can ride a bike again without bleeding to death
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  • [19:44:18] <_av500_> put a saddle next time
  • [19:45:31] <Christos_N> ...now I need to find out how to send a patch to kernel guys
  • [19:45:51] <_koen_> next time I'll ask the cardiologist to start the catherization in my wrist instead of my thigh
  • [19:46:05] * Crofton pukes
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  • [19:46:34] <_koen_> Crofton: you don't like people inserting a tube into your heart?
  • [19:46:39] * Christos_N faded
  • [19:46:59] <Crofton> no
  • [19:47:10] <_koen_> "it might skip a few beats, that's normal"
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  • [19:48:33] <_av500_> "here hold the user button while i reset you..."
  • [19:49:30] <_koen_> I had a CD with the movie of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ha1.jpg
  • [19:49:37] <_koen_> I'll try to get another copy :)
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  • [19:51:10] <_av500_> for the vidoewall...
  • [19:51:54] <_koen_> Christos_N: send the patch to the beagle list first, it is likely it needs to get split up into pieces
  • [19:52:43] <_av500_> koen: you ordered a dvk800000000000?
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  • [19:53:32] <Christos_N> ok, I'll subscribe there first then
  • [19:54:53] <Crofton|work> koen, is the codec engine recipe the same in stable and dev?
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  • [19:58:43] <_koen_> Crofton|work: no, in .dev it's split into seperate recipes again
  • [19:59:08] <_koen_> Crofton|work: I'm going to merge in the updates from http://arago-project.org/git/people/?p=brijesh/arago-dvsdk.git;a=summary next week
  • [19:59:32] <Crofton|work> ok
  • [19:59:37] <Crofton|work> can you do it early?
  • [19:59:42] <Crofton|work> in the week?
  • [20:00:14] <Crofton|work> I suppose it would be beast if I built stable for beagle
  • [20:00:27] <Crofton|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOh6Nh8w6f8&NR=1
  • [20:00:29] <_koen_> Crofton|work: that depends on what I get tasked with on monday :)
  • [20:01:33] * _koen_ has a TODO list a mile long
  • [20:01:58] <_koen_> and it's on an internal wiki, so anyone can add to it :)
  • [20:02:38] <Crofton|work> ahhahha
  • [20:02:48] <Crofton|work> finally, wiki's get their revenge on you
  • [20:03:05] <sakoman> koen is now a salaryman
  • [20:03:29] <Crofton|work> well, it sounds like we can trick ravishi into getting some of the make dsp accessible stuff done :)
  • [20:04:36] <_koen_> that's be nice :)
  • [20:05:40] <MattCampbell> Does anyone know of a WiFi device (USB or SDIO) that has a Linux driver and can act as an access point?
  • [20:06:26] <MattCampbell> I've done some Googling ("BeagleBoard WiFi access point", "Linux USB WiFi access point") and haven't found any definitive answer.
  • [20:06:37] <MattCampbell> This WiFi AP wouldn't be used for Internet access; it would only provide access to a web server running on the board.
  • [20:09:13] <_koen_> would ad-hoc mode work as well?
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  • [20:15:12] <MattCampbell> _koen_: I guess I'd have to try it; I've never heard of ad-hoc mode, so I don't know how a PC (probably running Windows) would connect to the board in that case.
  • [20:16:19] <djlewis> MattCampbell: I dont think an access point is required for your need.
  • [20:16:34] <MattCampbell> Thanks.
  • [20:16:57] <djlewis> Give BB a fixed IP # and name and unmanaged mode will work.
  • [20:17:35] <MattCampbell> I should have learned more about Wi-Fi first, I guess.
  • [20:17:55] <djlewis> yep. an ap is like a multiport ethernet switch, only for wireless.
  • [20:18:03] <MattCampbell> For my application, normally only one PC or PDA will connect to a web server running on the device, though in some situations more than one PC or PDA might need to connect.
  • [20:18:19] <djlewis> samba on BB handles that.
  • [20:18:56] <djlewis> You ight have to connect by IP # unless you add the bb to other computers hosts file
  • [20:18:59] <djlewis> might
  • [20:19:19] <MattCampbell> IP would be fine, I think.
  • [20:20:19] <MattCampbell> So do most USB Wi-Fi dongles support this mode?
  • [20:20:30] <_koen_> they should
  • [20:20:33] <MattCampbell> How about the Belkin dongle that the eLinux BeagleBoard pages recommend?
  • [20:20:50] <_koen_> most can do hostap as well, but the value of 'most' varies
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  • [20:25:47] <MattCampbell> _koen_, djlewis: Thanks a lot for your help.
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  • [20:42:13] <MattCampbell> I see that u-boot provides a USB serial port interface so I don't need an RS-232 cable for that. Can the kernel provide a USB serial console too?
  • [20:43:13] <djlewis> MattCampbell: on the topic of adhoc, do you use a wifi router for that plan?
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  • [20:44:31] <MattCampbell> djlewis: No, the assumption is that there is no nearby WiFi network.
  • [20:44:41] <djlewis> ok.
  • [20:46:43] <MattCampbell> ad-hoc will still work, right?
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  • [20:48:17] <djlewis> it hs its disavantages MattCampbell
  • [20:48:59] <MattCampbell> OK I'll learn more about that on my own.
  • [20:49:03] <djlewis> Less secure and I think it backs speed down to 11Mb/s
  • [20:49:50] <djlewis> If the Bb is stationary it might be advantageuos to have a linksys wrt54G wifi router or equiv nearby.
  • [20:49:58] <MattCampbell> That kind of speed is certainly not an issue.
  • [20:50:19] <djlewis> THis would make it eassier for you to have more than one connection and better security
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  • [20:53:28] <Christos_N> koen when you said beagle list you meant the google group?
  • [20:53:35] <Crofton> yes
  • [20:53:45] <Christos_N> oh, ok then
  • [20:53:57] <Christos_N> I'm already subscribed there
  • [20:54:08] <Christos_N> thnx
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  • [20:56:15] <MattCampbell> djlewis: I'll try ad-hoc mode anyway. Thanks.
  • [20:56:36] <Crofton|work> god, I wish there was a test you had to pass to buy a beagle
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  • [20:57:08] <adj> reading the ml again?
  • [20:57:12] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:57:41] <MattCampbell> Crofton|work: Oh, I thought maybe you were referring to my questions.
  • [20:57:55] <MattCampbell> At least I've worked with OpenEmbedded before.
  • [20:59:00] <Crofton|work> the guys asking for u-boot
  • [20:59:06] <djlewis> MattCampbell: sounds good for a simple solution.
  • [21:00:31] * Christos_N says to Crofton, that Captain Piccard managed to resist the Borgs finally, so now he got a oe target based on the kernel dk8k patch :-)
  • [21:01:19] * Christos_N so there is hope for humanity :-)
  • [21:01:21] <Crofton> it has been a not so productive week
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  • [21:01:47] <Crofton> as soon as I start to understand, I really need to quit sitting in front of the comuter
  • [21:02:10] <Qball> tried lying infront of your computer
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  • [21:07:54] <MattCampbell> Crofton: So what kind of test would you propose for people who want to work with a BeagleBoard? Ability to program, of course.
  • [21:08:19] <Crofton> use google
  • [21:08:30] <Crofton> find and read intro guides
  • [21:08:43] <Crofton> beat your head againsst a wall to figure things out
  • [21:09:08] <Crofton> long week, I am less patient than usual
  • [21:12:41] <florian> sme here
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  • [21:12:46] <florian> hrmpf
  • [21:13:35] <florian> I spent the whole week kicking a way too bad defined release out of the door.
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  • [21:15:58] <djlewis> I spent the week beating my head against a couple of SDHC cards that refused to do my bidding.
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  • [21:17:06] <sakoman> koen: does IMAGE_LINGUAS actually do anything besides including locale-base-xx-xx and glibc-localedata-xx-xx ?
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  • [21:17:36] <sakoman> I somehow had the impression that it would also include the locale-xx-xx for all packages in the image
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  • [21:20:15] <_av500_> djlewis: you fixed the sd issue?
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  • [21:22:39] <djlewis> _av500_: My solution for now is RMA it all. one fresh card has arrived, 2 more weeks for the reader.
  • [21:23:58] <djlewis> _av500_: and If fresh cards and reader work, i'll tape over the sd slot on my HP laptop ;)
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  • [21:29:21] <MattCampbell> I wonder how many people here put their BeagleBoard inside an enclosure. How dangerous is it to work with the board without an enclosure?
  • [21:29:30] <_av500_> MattCampbell: not at all
  • [21:29:57] <_av500_> I have naked PCBs on my desk for 10y now, never was an issue
  • [21:30:25] <_av500_> but then I dont know your use case...
  • [21:31:03] <MattCampbell> I'm just asking about whether to use an enclosure during development.
  • [21:31:19] <MattCampbell> Do you use antistatic wrist straps or anything of that sort?
  • [21:31:24] <MattCampbell> I never touched a PCB before today.
  • [21:31:37] <Crofton|work> my cat sleeps on my beagle
  • [21:31:46] <MattCampbell> oh wow
  • [21:32:24] <MattCampbell> (I just got my Beagle today.)
  • [21:32:26] <_av500_> MattCampbell: static electricity was invented by 3M to sell expensive plastic bags :-)
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  • [21:32:53] <_av500_> I have never used a wristband
  • [21:33:41] <MattCampbell> So I guess as long as I try to only touch the board around the edges, and only when it's off, I'll be fine.
  • [21:33:48] <MattCampbell> Just don't want to damage the board or injure myself.
  • [21:34:05] <_av500_> yes, thta should be ok
  • [21:34:31] <_av500_> i might do all kind of things to running boards, but then thats me...
  • [21:34:47] <muriani> I've never used a static wriststrap
  • [21:35:10] <_av500_> the dynamic ones are more comfy anyway :-)
  • [21:35:15] <muriani> I just set my boards on non-conductive surfaces, and surfaces not likely to accumulate static electricity.
  • [21:35:19] <muriani> hehe
  • [21:35:41] <Qball> I put some spacers under it. (afstandbusjes)
  • [21:35:48] <_av500_> when the air is too dry and danger of static, wrap it in a wet towel....
  • [21:35:58] <_av500_> Qball: good
  • [21:36:13] <Qball> on my desk is big metal plate
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  • [21:38:46] <MattCampbell> Seriously, a wet towel?
  • [21:38:50] <MattCampbell> Water doesn't hurt it?
  • [21:38:55] <_av500_> MattCampbell: no :-)
  • [21:38:59] <_av500_> ignore me
  • [21:39:08] <_av500_> I was joking
  • [21:39:25] <_av500_> as i said, normal precautions and common sense are enough
  • [21:40:20] <Qball> water does not conduct
  • [21:40:24] <Qball> so no, water does not hurt it
  • [21:40:47] <_av500_> Qball: pure water no, but tap water does conduct a bit
  • [21:41:20] <Qball> mineral water does yes
  • [21:41:26] <MattCampbell> I intend to keep my desk surface dry anyway, of course.
  • [21:41:53] <_av500_> MattCampbell: yes of course
  • [21:42:09] <Qball> I destroyed a keyboard or 3 by not keeping things dry
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  • [21:42:36] <_av500_> speaking of whihc I had to dry out my ibm klicker today...
  • [21:43:20] <Qball> somebody trashed all my old ibm keyboard
  • [21:43:23] <Qball> thought it was trash
  • [21:43:28] <Qball> I kept a small stock pile :(
  • [21:43:30] <Qball> all gone
  • [21:43:30] <_av500_> hehe, I have 4 left..
  • [21:44:04] <Qball> I hope it still turns up somewhere
  • [21:44:15] <_av500_> local e-dumps...
  • [21:44:20] <Qball> until then I am stuck with crappy keyboards
  • [21:44:39] <_av500_> http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/
  • [21:45:09] <Qball> a well
  • [21:45:28] <_av500_> http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cus101usenon.html
  • [21:46:16] <Qball> I liked the mac keyboards (the typing) but they are so frigging fragile
  • [21:46:53] <_av500_> or this one for the ubergeek: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/122keyterkey.html
  • [21:47:16] <Qball> I like the replica withouth any text on it
  • [21:48:40] <_av500_> http://www.daskeyboard.com/
  • [21:49:07] <Qball> aah yes
  • [21:49:45] * _av500_ waits for mru to say that he has one...
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  • [22:03:35] <djlewis> the dashkeyboard ultimae would be my demise.
  • [22:03:41] <djlewis> ultimate
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  • [22:11:01] <_av500_> gn
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  • [22:19:18] <Qball> djlewis: ultimate demise
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  • [22:20:12] <djlewis> yup!
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  • [22:20:45] <Qball> it is less of a epic fail then a keyboard with a display in it
  • [22:21:13] <mru> it's a fantastic keyboard
  • [22:21:46] <Qball> the one with the display in it
  • [22:21:53] <mru> das keyboard
  • [22:22:05] <Qball> you gonna get me one?
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  • [23:59:53] <ds2> didn't someone say DSS2 is in L-O now?