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  • [00:06:28] <djlewis> so far so good...
  • [00:06:38] <djlewis> cd /etc/init.d
  • [00:06:42] <djlewis> oops
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  • [02:24:53] <djlewis> why no modules loaded when used lsmod, Angstrom
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  • [02:35:53] <jkridner|work> anyone looked at taking patches from http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html and putting into OE or pushing upstream?
  • [02:36:45] <djlewis> my own answer, I think it was that I selected all kernel modules in narcissus build and thus mixed versions
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  • [03:53:52] <djlewis> latest narcissus Angstrom wont load usb gadgets
  • [03:54:14] <djlewis> Any clues as to why?
  • [03:55:01] <djlewis> mouse works, cam and wifi recognized in lsusb but no modules load
  • [03:56:30] <ds2> I see a certain list moderator has been busy at work ;)
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  • [07:23:22] <AV500> gm all
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  • [07:28:51] <hrw> morning
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  • [07:42:02] <ldesnogu> mru: I'm here :)
  • [07:43:24] <ldesnogu> if the discussion was about microcoding on ARM, the answer is there are some instruction that can be split into micro ops
  • [07:43:42] <ldesnogu> but there's no ROM for doing that
  • [07:44:27] <AV500> so its all hardcoded?
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  • [07:52:18] <mru> ldesnogu: that's what I thought
  • [07:52:43] <ldesnogu> it's hardcoded yes
  • [07:52:57] <ldesnogu> that's much more efficient that relying on a ROM
  • [07:53:06] <ldesnogu> BTW x86 do it this way for most instructions
  • [07:53:20] <ldesnogu> but the most complex ones use a ROM
  • [07:54:03] <AV500> so, no armv-x SDK for us :-)
  • [07:54:36] <ldesnogu> AV500: what's that? do some cpu vendors provide with microcode tools?
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  • [07:55:14] <janrinze> morning
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  • [07:56:18] <ldesnogu> janrinze: since you were part of the discussion about microcode: "if the discussion was about microcoding on ARM, the answer is there are some instruction that can be split into micro ops but there's no ROM for doing that"
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  • [07:56:51] <julem> Hi, whats the linux version of the board?
  • [07:57:02] <AV500> ldesnogu: you could make a start, no? :-)
  • [07:57:06] <janrinze> ldesnogu: morning. not sure which /what instructions you mean
  • [07:57:42] <ldesnogu> janrinze: this is not documented, but you can guess looking at cycle counts and/or pairing rules
  • [07:58:25] <janrinze> ldesnogu: since the core is hard wired and all coprocessors are talking over the copro bus I don't see what you mean.
  • [07:59:00] <ldesnogu> janrinze: it means that some complex instructions are split into two instructions
  • [07:59:08] <janrinze> ldesnogu: if you mean that it is possible to add copros that have microcode I think that would be feasible.
  • [07:59:18] <ldesnogu> that has nothing to do with copros
  • [07:59:19] <mru> janrinze showing his ignorance again...
  • [07:59:35] <ldesnogu> janrinze: read some x86 architecture article about micro ops :)
  • [07:59:39] <janrinze> ldesnogu: could you show an example?
  • [07:59:41] <julem> Can the os version be easyly updated?
  • [07:59:49] <ldesnogu> janrinze: I can't unless you sign an NDA :)
  • [07:59:55] <janrinze> ldesnogu: ARM is not a x86!!
  • [08:00:01] <ldesnogu> really?
  • [08:00:03] <ldesnogu> :)
  • [08:00:27] <janrinze> so whay read x86 architecture stuff to understand an ARM??
  • [08:00:44] <ldesnogu> because micro architecture is not related to ISA
  • [08:00:50] <ldesnogu> at not least most of it isn't
  • [08:01:20] <janrinze> ldesnogu: no.. but if a car runs on diesel.. why try to explain what can be done with LPG?
  • [08:01:40] * suihkulokki blinks
  • [08:01:56] <ldesnogu> janrinze: because the driving wheel is the same?
  • [08:01:58] <janrinze> ldesnogu: you can implement a core anyway you like.. but ARM does it hardwired.
  • [08:02:06] <ldesnogu> oh please...
  • [08:02:33] <janrinze> ldesnogu: if you can tell me one instruction that isn't ..
  • [08:02:36] <ldesnogu> most of x86 instructions are hardwired, that's a fact
  • [08:02:51] <janrinze> ldesnogu: that is silly.
  • [08:03:03] <janrinze> ldesnogu: x86 uses microcode.
  • [08:03:06] <ldesnogu> you're free to think what you want :)
  • [08:03:14] <ldesnogu> but you're wrong
  • [08:03:33] <janrinze> try talking with people at ARM.
  • [08:03:38] <ldesnogu> haha
  • [08:03:44] <ldesnogu> look at my info :)
  • [08:03:47] <janrinze> so?
  • [08:04:04] <AV500> ldesnogu is n=ldesnogu@fw-tnat.cambridge.arm.com (laurent desnogues)
  • [08:04:21] <janrinze> so?? for all i know you may be sales..
  • [08:04:29] <AV500> lol
  • [08:04:32] <ldesnogu> :)
  • [08:05:08] <janrinze> have you designed any silicon?
  • [08:05:28] <ldesnogu> I was a member of Cortex-A9 CPU design team
  • [08:05:35] <ldesnogu> but you're free not to trust me
  • [08:06:10] <janrinze> ldesnogu: so are you responsible for the poor choices in cache and other 'new' features? ;-)
  • [08:06:22] * AV500 facepalms
  • [08:06:42] <ldesnogu> you know enough of A9 to say such things? do you work for nVidia or TI?
  • [08:07:17] <janrinze> can't say.
  • [08:07:28] <ldesnogu> so what's your point exactly?
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  • [08:07:40] <AV500> <janrinze> can't say.
  • [08:07:47] <janrinze> nope.. to be honest.. what is your point?
  • [08:08:16] <mru> janrinze: you really need to pick your fights more carefully
  • [08:08:23] <janrinze> if there are no microcode instructions and there isn't even a ROM to facilitate that..
  • [08:08:48] <janrinze> so where is the point..
  • [08:09:08] <ldesnogu> you simply don't know what you're talking about, sorry
  • [08:09:31] <janrinze> are just wanting to say 'he, i know more than you" ??
  • [08:09:40] <janrinze> that is just ego.
  • [08:09:48] <janrinze> does not help anyone here.
  • [08:09:52] <ldesnogu> no, I was trying to explain you a few things
  • [08:10:10] <janrinze> like the cortex-A8 having micro code instructions???
  • [08:10:11] <ldesnogu> and *you* seemed you were trying to show you knew more than me :)
  • [08:10:20] <koen> kids, there are enough toys in the sandbox
  • [08:10:21] <ldesnogu> did I say A8 anywhere?
  • [08:10:29] <AV500> ldesnogu: don't bother too much, some stuff is hardcoded with this guy
  • [08:10:34] <ldesnogu> :)
  • [08:10:51] <janrinze> actually yep..
  • [08:11:12] <janrinze> you are trying to piggyback on a discussion with mru.. that is sad.
  • [08:12:01] <janrinze> if any new info coming from ARM that states 'yes, we are now working on using microcode' then that would be officially true.
  • [08:12:16] <janrinze> for all i know there currently is no such thing..
  • [08:12:55] <janrinze> is NEON hardcoded? VFP ?
  • [08:13:05] <janrinze> sorry.. hardwired.
  • [08:14:15] <janrinze> rest my case..
  • [08:14:17] <mru> some neon insns use uops
  • [08:14:39] <julem> Can the os version of that board be easyly updated?
  • [08:14:43] <janrinze> which ones?
  • [08:14:46] <mru> I could probably make a list...
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  • [08:15:14] <janrinze> mru: what is your point?
  • [08:15:57] <mru> that I and ldesnogu are right, you are wrong
  • [08:16:13] <janrinze> mru: that sounds pretty childish to me..
  • [08:16:35] <mru> true nonetheless
  • [08:16:53] <koen> raster: Shellementary, yeah!
  • [08:16:57] <janrinze> there is no documentation to backup your claim..
  • [08:17:15] <koen> raster: too bad it's in python :(
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  • [08:17:32] <raster> koen: yeah. i know about it. it is rather cool
  • [08:17:32] <mru> I'm sure there are internal docs at arm
  • [08:17:38] <raster> it actually would be no bigger if in c
  • [08:17:38] <raster> :)
  • [08:17:58] <ldesnogu> mru: there are yes, but there are internal of course :)
  • [08:18:12] <koen> raster: but it wouldn't need ~10megs of python
  • [08:18:19] <ldesnogu> which means even if you sign an NDA you won't have access to them
  • [08:18:31] <mru> so we have to take your word for it
  • [08:18:35] <ldesnogu> even customers don't have access to them as far as I know
  • [08:18:44] <janrinze> mru: please give this a rest.. if there is any docs and they will become available.. AND there is silicon the work with .. I would gladly read and test it.
  • [08:18:46] <koen> 16 bit word or 32bit word?
  • [08:19:34] <janrinze> ldesnogu: if you like I will get in touch with ARM about this. but i really think it is not worth it..
  • [08:20:15] <mru> it's fairly easy to guess which insns are ucoded based on public docs
  • [08:20:18] <ldesnogu> janrinze: I couldn't care less, do it, but be sure to find someone who knows A9 core
  • [08:20:43] <mru> e.g. ldesnogu ;-)
  • [08:20:48] <janrinze> ldesnogu: will do.
  • [08:20:49] <ldesnogu> :)
  • [08:21:20] <janrinze> ldesnogu: probably not you.. like to talk with people who are less ego bound..
  • [08:21:34] <ldesnogu> huh
  • [08:22:21] <AV500> ldesnogu: ignore!
  • [08:22:33] <mru> that is so ironic...
  • [08:22:45] <ldesnogu> ironic is a nice word for that :)
  • [08:22:59] <janrinze> ldesnogu: seriously.. you are piggybacking on a discussion with mru where he claims that cortex-A8 has microcode..
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  • [08:23:13] <mru> lol
  • [08:24:05] <janrinze> ldesnogu: now you are saying undisclosed info says that newr chips may use microcode and blame me for ignorance.
  • [08:24:31] <janrinze> ldesnogu: really.. that is not even 'nice' it is plain silly.
  • [08:24:44] <ldesnogu> I never blamed you for ignorance, but I would certainly blame you for calling me names ;)
  • [08:25:14] <janrinze> ldesnogu: i just addressed your attitude.
  • [08:26:10] <janrinze> ldesnogu: if you know that noone could have know. then you really should have been more considerate
  • [08:27:02] <mru> reading tne public docs on a8 it's fairly obvious that some insns use uops
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  • [08:27:07] <recalcati> morning
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  • [08:32:24] <janrinze> last one ... ldesnogu: janrinze: since you were part of the discussion about microcode: "if the discussion was about microcoding on ARM, the answer is there are some instruction that can be split into micro ops but there's no ROM for doing that"
  • [08:32:51] <ldesnogu> janrinze: please point where I was not "considerate"; I just gave some facts
  • [08:33:03] <ldesnogu> you're free to dismiss my claims
  • [08:33:32] <janrinze> in that statement you actually prove my point.. no microcode.
  • [08:34:40] <janrinze> ldesnogu: and if you are planning to implement it.. that would be the first on the ARM .. right?
  • [08:35:06] <ldesnogu> that's only a terminology problem
  • [08:35:19] <janrinze> ldesnogu: nope.. it is your statement..
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  • [08:45:00] <craw> good morning all
  • [08:45:19] <methril|work> good morning
  • [08:47:17] <craw> i compiled angstrom console-image for omap3evm copied it to sdcard and tried booting from it, the output i get via serial connection is the following: http://pastebin.com/m5de81579 . so the problem is the boot process does not seem to continue from there, could anyone help me on this please?
  • [08:49:12] <janrinze> craw: probably the console is switched to USB?
  • [08:49:57] <craw> janrize: how would i check that? there is only a lan->usb adapter attached
  • [08:50:09] <janrinze> craw: can you ping it at 192.168.0.2 ?
  • [08:50:38] <craw> yes i can, i also have eth3 created on my ubuntu workstation
  • [08:50:50] <janrinze> can you ssh to it on the same address?
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  • [08:51:07] <craw> that does not work somehow, i am really stuck
  • [08:51:19] <utoz_> hi
  • [08:51:28] <craw> hi utoz
  • [08:51:28] <janrinze> craw: doesn't it connect?
  • [08:52:05] <janrinze> craw: what happens if you ssh to it?
  • [08:52:47] <craw> says connection refused, but tracepath 192.168.0.2 says it uses eth3 (the lan->usb thingy)
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  • [08:53:12] <utoz__> good day everyone :)
  • [08:53:17] <janrinze> craw: connection refused means that there is no ssh server running on your BB
  • [08:53:26] <janrinze> utoz__: morning :-)
  • [08:53:43] <janrinze> utoz__:did you get your kernel running?
  • [08:54:25] <utoz__> yes, but not with spidev
  • [08:54:33] <craw> janrinze: dropbear is also installed, but i cannot tell why it should not be started
  • [08:54:43] <janrinze> craw: you may have a USB tty on your BB if you connect a device cable to the OTG port
  • [08:55:46] <craw> it is a omap3evm actually, so i really do not have a OTG port reachable, just a LAN port
  • [08:56:19] <craw> or do i?
  • [08:56:25] <craw> sure i do
  • [08:56:25] <craw> ...
  • [08:56:27] <craw> sorry, checking
  • [08:56:41] <ojm> Yay I'll get my BB in couple of hours!
  • [08:56:49] <janrinze> craw: hmm.. not tried it on the omap3evm.. sorry.. there are people here who do know more about omap3evm
  • [08:59:02] <craw> when i plug in a miniUSB->USB cable my workstation refuses to "lsusb"
  • [08:59:34] <janrinze> craw: you say workstation.. what kind of workstation?
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  • [09:00:26] <craw> just a standard pc running ubuntu (8.04)
  • [09:00:53] <craw> this is really strange
  • [09:01:03] <janrinze> craw: check dmesg
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  • [09:01:34] <janrinze> craw: and check 'ls /dev/ttyA*'
  • [09:02:22] <janrinze> craw: usually a ttyACM0 has been added.. which is the USB serialport
  • [09:03:53] <craw> usb 5-4.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10 -> usb 5-4.3: device not accepting address <number>, error -110
  • [09:03:58] <craw> and no such device created
  • [09:04:20] <janrinze> craw: yep.. happens sometimes.. no idea why.. you may try a different USB port.
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  • [09:05:46] <janrinze> craw: somehow the USB stack on linux just does that.. I wish it did not.. on rare occasions i had to reboot if all ports refuse to connect..
  • [09:06:52] <janrinze> craw: then again.. it may just not have anything on the OTG port..
  • [09:07:22] <craw> is there a way to tell it to just use a serial connection? on other ports i get "usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110"
  • [09:07:39] <janrinze> craw: best to set the console in u-boot
  • [09:08:29] <koen> there is no usb support in u-boot
  • [09:08:36] <janrinze> craw: and check that the inittab also opens the serial port for a login session.
  • [09:08:59] <craw> janrinze: i set console=/dev/ttyS0,115800n8, and in inittab i have entered ttyS0-2
  • [09:09:02] <janrinze> koen: no but it is the kernel parameters that define if the kernel uses serial or USB..
  • [09:09:45] <janrinze> craw: if all is setup correctly.. i am out of ideas..
  • [09:12:25] <craw> http://pastebin.com/m52e4229a is my uboot env
  • [09:12:34] <janrinze> koen: the u-boot for the validation stuff does have USB tty..
  • [09:13:07] <janrinze> craw: remove the console=tty0
  • [09:13:19] <janrinze> craw then it will work..
  • [09:13:44] <janrinze> craw the last console is where it continues after init..
  • [09:15:37] <craw> right, but i had no login prompt on either ttyS0 or tty0 (which is the attached lcd-touchscreen thingy)
  • [09:15:59] <janrinze> craw: does it work now?
  • [09:16:00] <craw> changing that also wont give me a login prompt
  • [09:16:09] <craw> same thing, persisting
  • [09:16:22] <janrinze> craw: do you get more info over the serial now?
  • [09:17:25] <craw> same thing like before
  • [09:18:12] <koen> janrinze: there is no validation stuff for omap3evm
  • [09:18:25] <janrinze> craw: maybe try to set inittab to do single user?
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  • [09:18:53] <janrinze> koen: ok.. ok... i have no idea about omap3evm like i stated before..
  • [09:20:04] <janrinze> koen: if init already runs and is visible on the serial console then a lot is working already.
  • [09:20:38] <janrinze> koen: the console is switched then so I have seen that behaviour before.. but i don't know the board..
  • [09:21:53] <craw> so, setting inittab to do single-user, does not change it either
  • [09:22:08] <craw> i want my beagle back :(
  • [09:22:54] <janrinze> craw: weird.. the console is defined by the commandargs to be your serial port and up until init it uses that too..
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  • [09:23:27] <janrinze> craw: so init decides to change that.. but that is done using the info in inittab..
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  • [09:24:14] <craw> will pastebin that also, just one moment
  • [09:25:39] <craw> http://pastebin.com/m5d17ec56
  • [09:26:44] <janrinze> craw: you changed all the tty's right?
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  • [09:27:33] <craw> janrinze: what?
  • [09:28:09] <janrinze> craw: is that the original inittab?
  • [09:28:27] <craw> no, the original does not have ttyS1-5 in it
  • [09:28:51] <craw> and says "id:5:initdefault:"
  • [09:28:59] <janrinze> craw: precisely.
  • [09:29:40] <craw> sorry, quite early: yes i changed all the tty's
  • [09:29:45] <craw> :)
  • [09:30:15] <janrinze> craw: hence no console :-)
  • [09:30:15] <craw> but i don't know if i changed them right
  • [09:31:30] <craw> i have done something stupid?
  • [09:31:48] <janrinze> craw: either change line 32 to have 'S:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty0 ' and use the kernel commandline to include only serial tty
  • [09:32:47] <janrinze> craw: or add the 'normal' serial console lines to the inittab ..
  • [09:33:04] <janrinze> craw: the last 2 lines you added yourself .. right?
  • [09:34:39] <craw> just the last one, which is wrong
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  • [09:36:13] <craw> the original had "S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115800 ttyS0" in line 31 and no other ttySx's were in it
  • [09:37:54] <janrinze> craw: try this one http://pastebin.com/m1cac4a90
  • [09:38:52] <janrinze> craw: oops.. i missed something : this one.. http://pastebin.com/m5adc20cc
  • [09:42:28] <craw> janrinze: won't help, still exact same behaviour
  • [09:43:03] <janrinze> craw: weird.. the console works up until init..
  • [09:43:17] <janrinze> did you use the second pastebin?
  • [09:43:21] <craw> jep
  • [09:43:53] <janrinze> craw: and the command append settings only include the ttyS0?
  • [09:44:20] <craw> jep
  • [09:44:52] <janrinze> well.. i am realy out of ideas now.. the console works but somehow init changes the console ..
  • [09:45:18] <janrinze> after init has started your serial seems to stop working..
  • [09:45:59] <craw> janrinze: well thank you for helping i will go get something to eat now... frustrating :)
  • [09:46:21] <janrinze> craw: try a different distrib for your rootfs..
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  • [09:57:05] <janrinze> craw: if you are done eating you might pastebin your boot process again?
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  • [10:18:39] <craw> janrinze: i will do that right away
  • [10:20:11] <craw> http://pastebin.com/m51712833
  • [10:25:43] <janrinze> craw: just wanted to check the Kernel command line.. seems ok..
  • [10:26:44] <janrinze> craw: so it is in your rootfs somewhere that the cosole gets switched. Could be a init.d script too..
  • [10:27:09] <janrinze> craw: what distrib are you running?
  • [10:27:24] <craw> it is an angstrom console-image
  • [10:29:15] <janrinze> craw: technically your kernel and console work, also init starts so there seems nothing wrong with them nor with the board..
  • [10:30:15] <janrinze> craw: best you try another distrib or get digging into the boot sequence of the one you are using now..
  • [10:30:38] <janrinze> craw: does the distrib have bash?
  • [10:31:21] <janrinze> craw: you could try to add to the commanline init=/bin/bash
  • [10:31:48] <craw> janrinze: it uses busybox actually
  • [10:31:55] <janrinze> craw: that way you don't start init and can try to look trough the distrib.
  • [10:32:12] <janrinze> craw: if bash is a link to busybox it might just work.
  • [10:32:30] <craw> so init=/bin/sh should work
  • [10:32:59] <janrinze> craw: busybox checks the first command argument to see how it was called..
  • [10:34:11] <craw> oh, Kernel panic: not syncing: attempted to kill init
  • [10:34:15] <janrinze> craw: it should give you a prompt on the console.
  • [10:34:42] <janrinze> craw: that might mean that your rootfs is not ext2?
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  • [10:35:17] <craw> shouldn't it say something like "Unable to mount rootfs" then?
  • [10:35:27] <craw> it does when i say it is ext3
  • [10:35:53] <booxter> koen: can you explain what the following means "Tar-Up Codec Combos from the OMAP DVSDK and drop in files/"? I installed dvsdk but I don't know what to tar-up...
  • [10:36:43] <AV500> booxter: the DSP side codec combos (the code running on the DSP)
  • [10:36:59] <booxter> AV500: where to get them?
  • [10:37:00] <janrinze> craw: possibly the busybox in your distrib is not built statically..
  • [10:37:02] <AV500> dunno where they are exactly thuogh.
  • [10:37:27] <koen> booxter: use the ti-codec-combos-omap3530 recipe, that will download them from TI
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  • [10:38:29] <ste_zz> are there lock and unlock commands for nand flash as well in uboot?
  • [10:38:51] <janrinze> craw: i am really out of ideas.. sorry..
  • [10:40:38] <craw> ill try adding bash
  • [10:41:39] <hrw> koen: did you booted WebOS image on beagleboard?
  • [10:41:54] <koen> hrw: I haven't touched webos at all
  • [10:42:09] <hrw> ok
  • [10:42:13] <koen> hrw: and I don't know how much windriver abused OE :)
  • [10:42:24] <booxter> koen: tnx! is gstreamer-ti going to migrate to this recipe?
  • [10:42:34] <hrw> I have palm logo on 20" lcd now
  • [10:42:54] <hrw> [44608.204559] omapfb omapfb: Unknown ioctl 0x40044620
  • [10:42:57] <hrw> and lot of those ;D
  • [10:43:36] <koen> booxter: it already has
  • [10:44:31] <janrinze> hrw: does it run, besides the logo?
  • [10:44:58] <hrw> janrinze: stopped at logo ;(
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  • [10:45:17] <janrinze> hrw: ok.. too bad.. was curious how it would perform :-)
  • [10:45:18] <booxter> koen: ow, I see. Sehr gutt!
  • [10:45:45] <hrw> janrinze: so did I
  • [10:45:58] <janrinze> hrw: the ioctl is probably when it tries to change the screen resolution.
  • [10:45:59] <hrw> booted!
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  • [10:46:21] <koen> booxter: see recipes/dvsdk/
  • [10:47:37] <hrw> bbl
  • [10:49:30] <booxter> koen: so now I don't need to install any additional things to /OE/TI or do I?
  • [10:53:36] <koen> booxter: no, only place stuff in $DL_DIR and generate .md5 files
  • [10:54:09] <craw> janrinze: now (after recreation of ext2-fs on sd-cards second partition and newly extracted rootfs) my booting ends like this: http://pastebin.com/m455c7b7e :)
  • [10:55:03] <janrinze> craw: looks much better :-)
  • [10:55:29] <koen> if that's an sd card you should use ext3
  • [10:55:31] <hrw> janrinze: 'Phone Error' 'Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved.'
  • [10:56:02] <janrinze> hrw: LOL... did you forget the gsm module ? ;-)
  • [10:56:19] <hrw> janrinze: cdma module you mean
  • [10:56:36] <janrinze> hrw: i am Dutch.. so probably lost in translation ;-)
  • [10:56:58] <hrw> janrinze: there is no palm pre with gsm
  • [10:57:05] <hrw> janrinze: only cdma ones
  • [10:57:14] <janrinze> hrw: ok.. not my expertise ;-)
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  • [10:58:16] <janrinze> hrw: how does the OS run on the BB?
  • [10:58:51] <hrw> janrinze: ?
  • [10:58:55] <koen> hrw: if it's x11 based, you could run gpe-scap :)
  • [10:59:14] <hrw> koen: its directfb
  • [10:59:24] <hrw> koen: I need to copy fbgrab to device
  • [10:59:45] <janrinze> hrw: if the IOCTL is used on omapfb then maybe their kernel has support for setting up the screenresolution..
  • [11:00:13] * koen wonders how directfb can be hooked into dmai for doing zero copy stuff
  • [11:00:40] <koen> interesting, 'perl-modules' doesn't drag in all perl modules...
  • [11:00:56] <janrinze> hrw: dd from /dev/fb0 might do the trick to get a screen grab..
  • [11:05:30] <raster> koen: you got your grubby hands on a pre?
  • [11:06:47] <koen> raster: no
  • [11:06:53] <hrw> ipkg suxx but atleast allows to run "ipkg install URL-to-package"
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  • [11:09:18] <raster> koen: aaaah. waiting for a gsm one
  • [11:09:19] <raster> ?
  • [11:10:00] <koen> raster: I have an iphone :)
  • [11:10:27] <raster> but it doesnt run linux... :)
  • [11:10:35] <janrinze> koen: any chance we see OE on iPhone ?
  • [11:11:00] <hrw> janrinze: you can use OE to build apps for iphone
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  • [11:11:08] <janrinze> raster: there was a project for Linux on the iPhone.. has been very quiet there though..
  • [11:11:11] <koen> janrinze: I wouldn't run OE on an iphone
  • [11:11:12] <hrw> janrinze: Clutter works fine on iphone
  • [11:11:16] <koen> janrinze: maybe angstrom, but not OE
  • [11:11:59] <janrinze> hrw: if it is jailbroken, right?
  • [11:12:18] <raster> janrinze: it's hard to reverse engineer a whole phone
  • [11:12:38] <hrw> janrinze: iirc
  • [11:12:48] <janrinze> raster: yep.. reverse engineering a Pocket PC was hard enough..
  • [11:13:18] <hrw> janrinze: pocketpc are easier
  • [11:13:19] <raster> yeah - thats relatively easy
  • [11:13:22] <janrinze> raster: have not tried any reverse engineering since then anymore.. too much time.
  • [11:13:26] <hrw> you have haret at least
  • [11:13:26] <raster> a fraction of the # of devices
  • [11:13:36] <raster> and then the modem can be a royal pita - de[pends how its hooked up
  • [11:13:41] <raster> if serial (at comands) its hafl-easy
  • [11:13:51] <raster> nol one 100% adheres to thew at comandset specs
  • [11:13:51] <janrinze> hrw: yes.. Haret is extremely useful when it comes to reverse engineering..
  • [11:14:09] <raster> and then they also advertise other devices for bulk data xfer - eg for umts or hspa data sessions
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  • [11:15:05] <janrinze> hrw: custom CPLDs are a royal p.i.t.a. so even Haret did not help at times..
  • [11:15:25] <hrw> janrinze: sure
  • [11:15:33] <raster> that only helps.. if its wino
  • [11:15:36] <raster> err winmo
  • [11:15:49] <raster> iphone osx is a tougher nut to crack
  • [11:15:55] <raster> palm pre seems a walk in the park
  • [11:16:03] <raster> as they did things "normally"
  • [11:16:04] <raster> :)
  • [11:16:06] <hrw> janrinze: but today most of components are used in so many devices that it is easier to get first boot working
  • [11:16:22] <janrinze> hrw: the CPLD still makes it hard to do proper sleep etc..
  • [11:16:43] <janrinze> hrw: should be similar for the iPhone.. they have most of that running..
  • [11:17:15] <janrinze> hrw: it seemed that they could boot a small Debian distrib already.
  • [11:17:42] <janrinze> hrw: but that's the last i heard about the iPhone linux project.
  • [11:18:04] <hrw> Palm should work on making upstart more quiet
  • [11:18:18] <hrw> it generates lot of messages
  • [11:18:36] <janrinze> hrw: messages can be diverted .. right?
  • [11:18:49] <koen> hrw: I'm thinking of enabling udev mode for bluez in angstrom
  • [11:19:10] <hrw> koen: feel free - currently I do not use BT on any angstrom device
  • [11:19:11] <koen> hrw: bluez will get started by udev if a bluetooth device is present, but not started by default
  • [11:19:22] <hrw> koen: cool
  • [11:19:44] <hrw> koen: what about h22xx, h4xxx etc where BT is on some serial?
  • [11:20:08] <janrinze> koen: BB has no BT a.t.m. right? adding a USB BT dongle would suffice?
  • [11:20:25] <koen> hrw: thats where udev helper script come in :)
  • [11:20:33] <koen> janrinze: right
  • [11:20:38] <raster> janrinze: booting a small distro is nothing
  • [11:20:41] <hrw> janrinze: BT dongle are small and cheap now..
  • [11:21:00] <raster> getting cpu, storage, screen, memory and input is generally trivial.
  • [11:21:15] <janrinze> koen: ok.. thanks. i have one that i used on the Pocket PC. so I have been able to use it with a debian distro on ARM :-)
  • [11:21:25] <raster> its all the devices. bt, wifi, 3g, accelerometers, compass, touchscreen, 3d and 2d accel etc.
  • [11:21:32] <raster> those really kill to get working
  • [11:21:45] <koen> hrw: $2.49 at dx
  • [11:22:39] <janrinze> raster: depends on how they are connected. SPI, I2C, USB are usually well supported so that should not pose huge problems.
  • [11:23:25] <janrinze> raster: we have a ACX100 on a PCcard connector.. apparently the ACX100 support for PCcard has been dropped in the kernel :-(
  • [11:23:52] <raster> regarless of how connected - u need to figure out the protocol
  • [11:23:59] <hrw> janrinze: hx4700?
  • [11:24:12] <janrinze> hrw: Fujitsu Siemens Loox 720
  • [11:24:30] <raster> if the protocol is simple - it's easy. if its expansive and complex - tough.
  • [11:24:41] <raster> the only way to do it is sniff an existing driver
  • [11:24:55] <hrw> hm.. it looks like only first boot of WebOS works on beagleboard..
  • [11:24:58] <raster> and that is not easy if your current os is closed and locked down
  • [11:25:03] <janrinze> raster: those chips can be found with SPI or I2C tools
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  • [11:25:12] <raster> found - but not decoded
  • [11:25:24] <ant_work> koen: Dmitry pointed out the basics of IEEE 802.15 WPAN are out
  • [11:25:27] <janrinze> also there are nice pictures of the iPhone internals.
  • [11:25:55] <raster> sure - again. without info on how the qualcomm bvinary protocol works..; u're screwed
  • [11:26:03] <raster> unless its at- then u have half a chance
  • [11:26:12] <raster> as u have existing specs that mostly should apply to the core stuff
  • [11:26:17] <janrinze> raster: which chips are from qualcomm?
  • [11:26:33] <raster> msm6*, msm7*
  • [11:26:51] <raster> iphone, g1, a tonne of other htc's, samsung phone etc. use these
  • [11:27:00] <raster> msm7 is whole soc (scpu) as well
  • [11:27:03] <raster> err cpu
  • [11:27:06] <janrinze> raster: I have not yet dived into iPhone chips etc. so what are they used for?
  • [11:27:17] <raster> qualcomm?
  • [11:27:51] <janrinze> raster: sorry, you mentioned qualcomm..
  • [11:28:00] <raster> errr.. phone?
  • [11:28:04] <raster> everything phone related
  • [11:28:13] <janrinze> aha.. ok..
  • [11:28:17] <raster> so to0 do a port you HAVE to get it going
  • [11:28:29] <koen> raster: cheap-ass qualcomm armv6 without vfp...
  • [11:28:33] <raster> as you wil need to put it into standby mode on suspend or sleep or low-power mode (0 clock)
  • [11:28:40] <raster> and upo again
  • [11:28:42] <raster> etc.
  • [11:28:50] <raster> koen: msm7?
  • [11:28:51] <janrinze> i see.. to be able to use the phone part right?
  • [11:28:58] <raster> and to use it too
  • [11:29:18] <raster> to even have a proper port without doing any phone stuff.. u need to control it for power managment reasons
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  • [11:29:42] <raster> u cant suspend/resume and expect to actually suspend for a decent period without control
  • [11:29:43] <koen> raster: yes
  • [11:29:44] <janrinze> raster: I see.. that is hard..
  • [11:30:03] <raster> considering the device is a phone... you havent done a port without it working either as thats is its primary function
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  • [11:30:16] <recalcati> morning
  • [11:30:29] <janrinze> raster: I agree.. it would become yet another useless linux device..
  • [11:30:30] <raster> now u need all the other bits to work too - wifi (see how hard it is to reverse-engineer wifi as its relatively complex - nowhere near as complex as phone)
  • [11:30:35] <raster> indeed
  • [11:30:48] <koen> raster: judging from the asian firmware in my a780, using it as a phone is *not* the primary function :)
  • [11:30:48] <raster> thjats why i dont get excited when they say "we have debian booting"
  • [11:31:00] <raster> i am waiting for "we made and recieved calls and sms's"
  • [11:31:04] <raster> then i get interested
  • [11:31:05] <koen> raster: playing weird games with too loud sound effects is
  • [11:31:05] <raster> :)
  • [11:31:09] <janrinze> raster: there are linux phones out there currently.. do they use different chips?
  • [11:31:15] <raster> koen: moto?
  • [11:31:18] <koen> raster: yes
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  • [11:31:45] <raster> janrinze: 3g or 2g? they are vastly different worlds
  • [11:31:56] <janrinze> raster: ok.. i see..
  • [11:31:59] <raster> 2g is commonplace and documented modems exist
  • [11:32:12] <raster> 3g has many fewer players - qualcomm is one of the biggest
  • [11:32:23] <raster> palm pre uses qualcomm - msm6 i believe
  • [11:32:32] <raster> and its linux - but i know not much more than that
  • [11:32:34] <janrinze> raster: so only linux can get lucky if qualcomm decides to cooperate..
  • [11:32:47] <raster> the linux phones are mostly on 2g - and dime-a-dozen in china
  • [11:32:53] <raster> the motorola's are 2g too
  • [11:33:00] <raster> and locked down - but its a simple serial at commandset modem
  • [11:33:02] <raster> so doable
  • [11:33:15] <janrinze> raster: would it be doable to address 3G as 2G?
  • [11:33:21] <raster> and yes - if qualcomm cooperate - or a team spend a hell of a lot of effort reverse-engineering
  • [11:33:25] <raster> the palm pre has a chance
  • [11:33:45] <raster> and yes - if the 3g modem does at commands.. it will look like a 2g modem
  • [11:33:48] <raster> they are very similar
  • [11:33:50] <koen> raster: is .au still mostly cdma?
  • [11:33:56] <raster> but it depends on how the modem is hooekd up
  • [11:33:59] <raster> it may be at commands
  • [11:34:08] <raster> or may be binary protcol. i have seen both
  • [11:34:09] <janrinze> raster: palm would surely have NDA with qualcomm..
  • [11:34:26] <raster> koen: cdma? ha! there was some unused cmda network here they dismantled a year ago
  • [11:34:39] <raster> it's been gsm, 2g, 3g etc. for as long as i can remember
  • [11:34:49] <raster> janrinze: yes. everyone does
  • [11:35:10] <raster> so u'd have to strace/monitor the telephony server on the pre to see what it does when you cmake calls etc.
  • [11:35:22] <janrinze> raster: so if palm will come up with a kernel that can interact properly .. will they disclose the driver sources?
  • [11:35:22] <koen> cmake for calls?
  • [11:35:23] <koen> eeeew
  • [11:35:35] <raster> figure that out.. and you can then do a new implementation for a telephony daemon thats open
  • [11:35:38] <raster> koen: hahahaha
  • [11:37:08] <raster> janrinze: kernel likely eithe rexports just a serial device for the modem
  • [11:37:17] <raster> or a binary read/write device or 2
  • [11:37:26] <raster> that code is likely now open and there
  • [11:37:34] <raster> but... the problem isnt gettign data to/from the device
  • [11:37:40] <raster> its the protocol format of that data
  • [11:38:08] <janrinze> raster: ok.. so getting Haret running on the Iphone would be best.. ;-)
  • [11:38:22] <raster> which wont work
  • [11:38:26] <raster> winmo vs unix
  • [11:38:32] <raster> winmo has no security
  • [11:38:37] <janrinze> raster: sources are available for Haret..
  • [11:38:43] <hrw> 'The modem interface seems to be a UART + USB. The UART is required for stuff like waking up the OMAP3 from the baseband, and then you use it to set up a USB connection to the modem, where a hacked/extended version of the cdc-acm driver appears to be used. ' - Harald Walte about Palm Pre modem
  • [11:38:44] <raster> you can do anything you like to the system
  • [11:39:15] <raster> hrw: awesome. so serial either way
  • [11:39:34] <raster> min9imal serial for base setup then acm serial for continued stuff
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  • [11:39:45] <janrinze> raster: getting SVC mode in iPhone can be done by adding modules to the Mach kernel..
  • [11:40:25] <janrinze> raster: probably easiest to hyjack the SWI handler..
  • [11:40:53] <hrw> Palm Pre uses old firmware for wifi...
  • [11:41:08] <raster> hrw: what is the wifi?
  • [11:41:18] <raster> boradcom? ahteros?
  • [11:41:27] <hrw> marvel 8686 on sdio
  • [11:41:47] <raster> aaah
  • [11:41:53] <hrw> $Id: sd8686-B0, RF868X, FP15, 9.15.14.p0 $.RC: , yhou, 2009/02/05, 17:54:54
  • [11:41:55] <hrw> ops..
  • [11:42:03] <janrinze> raster: my interest is just academical.. won't go porting myself ;-)
  • [11:42:03] <hrw> ~curse marvell and their numbering...
  • [11:42:04] <raster> i'll wait till the gsm pre is out
  • [11:42:13] <raster> janrinze: i guess thats different
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  • [11:42:18] <raster> u only need to know hopw it works
  • [11:42:21] <raster> not every little detail
  • [11:42:28] <raster> as to do a working port.. u do
  • [11:42:29] <raster> :(
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  • [11:42:44] <janrinze> raster: are you working on it?
  • [11:42:44] <raster> hrw: thats a lot of numbers...
  • [11:42:47] <hrw> "$Id: sd8686-B0, RF868X, FP4, 9.70.3.p14 $.RC: , yhou, 2007/07/06, 15:03:47"
  • [11:42:52] <raster> janrinze: on what specifically?
  • [11:42:59] <raster> pre port? iphone? something else?
  • [11:43:04] <janrinze> raster: iPhone port?
  • [11:43:09] <hrw> looks like BUG r1.3 will get newer firmware for test
  • [11:43:37] <raster> ooh no
  • [11:43:51] <raster> i'm not reverse engineering anything atm
  • [11:44:00] <raster> i was going to do my g1, but i just havent had time
  • [11:44:13] <janrinze> raster: neither am I.. too tiresome ;-)
  • [11:44:15] <raster> and in the meantime other hardware has dropped in my lap thats more fun
  • [11:44:38] <janrinze> raster: ditto here. I am playing with the BB now :-)
  • [11:44:43] <raster> i dont much like tyhe lower levels
  • [11:45:07] <janrinze> raster: I don't mind.. as long as they are well documented ;-)
  • [11:45:14] <raster> i've done low level before - there's a challenge, but i've wedged myself into the graphics end of things, so i tend to have o nly time for this end of things, and not all the other bits
  • [11:46:13] <janrinze> raster: wise to choose how to spend your time.. avoiding to splinter your energy on too numerous projects :-)
  • [11:46:47] <raster> i already have
  • [11:47:10] <janrinze> raster: sorry, that is what I meant..
  • [11:48:20] <janrinze> raster: it was meant as a compliment on how you wisely choose how you spend your time.
  • [11:48:31] <raster> i already do a whole widget set, rendering engine, utils lib, window manager, ipc libs, video player front end lib, flash-like ui abstraction layer, data serialisation/de-serialisation lib, media center, and a few other things
  • [11:48:45] <raster> i need to reduce it - i keep taking on too many things
  • [11:48:53] <janrinze> raster: oh dear.. that is a huge amount..
  • [11:49:06] <raster> thats why i decide not to dip into the kernel side of things and telephony bits unless i absolutely must.
  • [11:49:20] <janrinze> raster: i cant agree more.
  • [11:50:16] <raster> fogt - benchmark suite, bootloader anim app and a bytecode virtual machine + compiler
  • [11:50:43] <janrinze> raster: does that leave time for sleep and a social life?
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  • [11:51:26] <raster> hmm
  • [11:51:33] <raster> thats about 530,000 lines of c
  • [11:51:34] <raster> ouch
  • [11:51:41] <craw> janrinze: i switched rootfs's, so am currently using the one which runs just fine on beagleboard (serial console and all) and it leaves me in the exact same situation
  • [11:51:43] <raster> umm.. i do get my 8hrs a night
  • [11:51:48] <craw> and THAT is really odd
  • [11:51:54] <raster> and wrestle with openembedded
  • [11:52:01] <raster> and have a life.. i even do work!
  • [11:52:23] <janrinze> craw: can you pastebin both boot sequence and inittab?
  • [11:52:37] <craw> wait!
  • [11:52:43] <craw> it is continuing
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  • [11:52:52] <craw> omg!
  • [11:52:56] <Beagle9> hai
  • [11:53:08] <janrinze> Beagle9: morning
  • [11:53:18] <Beagle9> :)
  • [11:53:36] <Beagle9> morning.....
  • [11:54:04] <janrinze> raster: well to me that seems pretty balanced even though you have so many projects :-)
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  • [11:54:29] <janrinze> craw: what's happening? magic smoke?
  • [11:54:58] <raster> janrinze: of trust me. it's too much. tooc many of them get neglected.
  • [11:55:13] <raster> it sucks... when you see a problem and go "ooh - i know how to solve that"
  • [11:55:18] <raster> and you churn out some library or app
  • [11:55:23] <raster> then you fine another .. and do it again
  • [11:55:24] <janrinze> raster: I am familiar with that..
  • [11:55:25] <raster> and again.
  • [11:55:25] <craw> janrize: http://pastebin.com/m75187acc
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  • [11:55:40] <raster> and then before you know it you have a small mountain of shit to maintain, suport, improve etc.
  • [11:55:57] <janrinze> raster: yep..
  • [11:56:12] <raster> i've okrphaned one or 2 dozen prior projects as they just got old and i didnt have time/interest to keep working on them
  • [11:56:19] <raster> so i need to lean down to a small core set.
  • [11:56:28] <janrinze> raster: i nowadays avoid getting sucked into those things..
  • [11:56:35] <raster> h3ehehe
  • [11:56:53] <raster> well it has advantages - when my clients ask questions.. even about stuff i dont work on.. i normally have an answer
  • [11:57:07] <raster> or can have a good guess because i've done something similar before
  • [11:57:25] <janrinze> raster: familiar too.. ;-)
  • [11:58:18] <janrinze> raster: programming for more than 25 year will give you that benefit ;-)
  • [11:58:24] <raster> indeed
  • [11:59:00] <janrinze> raster: at work they prefer not to call me .. they only do when projects get really stuck..
  • [11:59:03] <raster> i've been doing it for about that long too... tho professionally only half that
  • [11:59:09] <raster> hgahahaha
  • [11:59:18] <raster> they keep you around until the going gets tough
  • [11:59:48] <janrinze> janrinze: often they are too embarrassed afterwards..
  • [11:59:56] <raster> hahahahah
  • [12:00:18] <raster> "hmm.. i seem to have found... you did something really silly. here... look at that..."
  • [12:00:19] <raster> ...
  • [12:00:26] <raster> "oops!" <blush>
  • [12:01:00] <janrinze> raster: one time they had experts flown in from the states.. they did the work on some Cobol stuff..
  • [12:01:16] <raster> ewww cobol.... ancient
  • [12:01:23] <raster> andf i can see why they flew them in...
  • [12:01:24] <janrinze> raster: never had programmed in Cobol.. but asked them if i could look at the sources..
  • [12:01:33] <Beagle9> hey guys i was thinking of making a motion detector using the beagle board....
  • [12:01:34] <raster> "we have no one that knows cobol.. nor wants to learn:
  • [12:01:38] <raster> mind u.. how hard can it be?
  • [12:01:48] <Beagle9> do you think it is possible? i am very new to linux
  • [12:01:57] <raster> Beagle9: what kind of motion?
  • [12:02:10] <janrinze> raster: exactly what I thought.. so I ended up debugging Cobol code and found it in 4 hours. :-)
  • [12:02:11] <Beagle9> any motion... like a surveillance system....
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  • [12:02:17] <raster> thats trivial
  • [12:02:36] <raster> u'll need some video capture stuff (like a usb webcam)
  • [12:03:03] <Beagle9> raster: i have a webcam.... but can we use a webcam with beagle board...??
  • [12:03:15] <Beagle9> is the driver for it available?
  • [12:03:16] <raster> capture at qvga - greayscale, just calculate color delte from previosu to current frame - also maybe use a few fram3es further back
  • [12:03:35] <raster> if delta exceeds value N for more than Y pixels... alarm
  • [12:03:38] <janrinze> Beagle9: yup.. USB webcams work.. just like on any other linux platform :-)
  • [12:03:51] <raster> janrinze: heheheheheheh
  • [12:04:03] <Beagle9> janrinze: where do i find the driver....
  • [12:04:25] <raster> janrinze: if u have done a lot of code - doesnt matter the language - but preferably a "core" one - like c, c++, etc., you likely can learn and figure out most languages
  • [12:04:29] <janrinze> Beagle9: probaly already there in your /lib/modules directory.
  • [12:04:52] <janrinze> Beagle9: when you connect the cam it probably auto detects it..
  • [12:04:59] <janrinze> Beagle9: check dmesg.
  • [12:05:02] <raster> /dev/v4l most likely
  • [12:05:03] <Beagle9> is it... okkk...
  • [12:05:07] <raster> depends on cam tho
  • [12:05:34] <raster> it may be a uvc cam - that needs special handlign as it basically sends u a stream of jpg
  • [12:05:37] <raster> jpg's
  • [12:05:49] <raster> err /dev/video i meant
  • [12:05:50] <janrinze> raster: thats what is says on my resume.. 'any logical programming language' ;-)
  • [12:05:54] <raster> err /dev/video0 i meant
  • [12:06:00] <raster> video0, 1, 2 etc.
  • [12:06:07] <raster> janrinze: hehehehe.
  • [12:06:28] <Beagle9> ohh.... okk.... you people are expert on linux haa... cool...
  • [12:06:39] <Beagle9> i am trying to start in this field.....
  • [12:06:43] <Beagle9> :)
  • [12:06:45] <janrinze> raster: and added ' as long it is not "perl" ' ;-)
  • [12:06:50] <raster> Beagle9: hint. use linux on your desktop, laptop and everywhere for a year or 2
  • [12:06:55] <raster> dont go back to windows
  • [12:07:01] <raster> and u'll know this too
  • [12:07:02] <raster> :)
  • [12:07:13] <raster> it's easiest to start on your desktop/laptop
  • [12:07:16] <raster> THEN get into embedded
  • [12:07:45] <raster> janrinze: hahahahahahhahaha. indeed. perl is one of those languages that definitely can be totally illogical
  • [12:07:48] <janrinze> raster: good point.. people without Linux knowledge have a real hard time to start with embedded linux..
  • [12:08:08] <koen> there is no 'embedded' linux, it's more like non-x86 linux :)
  • [12:08:09] <raster> janrinze: definitly. you have an added barrier of hard to "boot", "install" and just get going
  • [12:08:13] <Beagle9> i have linux in my laptop..... but when i compare windows and linux.... linux performance is very poor.... thats why i keep a partition for windows
  • [12:08:19] <raster> koen: sure. buyt people call it embedded linux
  • [12:08:19] <Crofton|work> I dread the question on the beagle and oe lists that are obviously from non-linux people
  • [12:08:29] <raster> its just linux on non-x86 that is slower, with less ram
  • [12:08:41] <raster> the q is.. how much slower, less ram, less "disk" etc.
  • [12:08:43] <janrinze> raster: also people deeply in x86 can often have very hard times to understand ARM..
  • [12:08:55] <Crofton|work> really embedded linux is boring to watch
  • [12:08:58] <raster> Beagle9: poor in what way?
  • [12:09:03] <Crofton|work> but still good
  • [12:09:29] <Beagle9> raster: when i run video or even watch youtube... linux takes time to load .....
  • [12:09:51] <janrinze> maybe beagleboard.org should have some disclaimer for the newbies about the platform?
  • [12:10:03] <Beagle9> raster: i am using fedora.... some times some programs get the "black and white" chilled stage (even though i am using a 2.5GB ram)
  • [12:10:17] <raster> janrinze: true. but its easier to adapt when u alreayd know linux like the back of your hand
  • [12:10:30] <raster> Beagle9: to load.. how?
  • [12:10:31] <janrinze> raster: yep..
  • [12:10:44] <raster> and "black and white"?
  • [12:11:12] <janrinze> craw: you're pretty silent a.t.m. everything ok?
  • [12:11:17] <raster> Crofton|work: indeed. there's enogh info to deal with adapting just to a different piece of hw.
  • [12:11:28] <Beagle9> raster: you know how sometimes some programs dont respond ...right ... and the screen becomes black and white (no color )
  • [12:11:41] <raster> ....
  • [12:11:45] <raster> never happened to me - ever
  • [12:11:56] <janrinze> Beagle9: depends on the distrib..
  • [12:12:02] <raster> not since i started with linux in 96
  • [12:12:06] <craw> janrize: i guess it is working... i don't really know why
  • [12:12:09] <raster> and that was on a p120 with 32m ram
  • [12:12:14] <Beagle9> janrinze: so you mean fedora is not a good distro?
  • [12:12:19] <craw> no login prompt, but dropbear started correctly
  • [12:12:27] <raster> maybe you should stop using gnome or kde
  • [12:12:29] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [12:12:34] <raster> try a leaner meaner wm/env
  • [12:12:42] <janrinze> Beagle9: nope.. it means that if a app is waiting for I/O it will become greyed out..
  • [12:12:42] <Crofton|work> Beagle is far more powerful than my first linux box :)
  • [12:12:52] <raster> like enlightenment, fluxbox, windowmaker, etc. etc.
  • [12:13:03] <janrinze> Beagle9: just some feature that some distros use..
  • [12:13:18] <raster> Beagle9: where is the feature? is it part of compiz?
  • [12:13:22] <raster> or kwin?
  • [12:13:24] <Beagle9> ohh... then kde and gnome and all are heavy...??
  • [12:13:30] <raster> yes
  • [12:13:35] <janrinze> Beagle9: yes!!
  • [12:13:47] <Beagle9> i see.....
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  • [12:13:53] <janrinze> Beagle9: _really_ heavy..
  • [12:14:00] <raster> it's like saying
  • [12:14:02] <janrinze> Beagle9: compiz is even more heave ;-)
  • [12:14:11] <Beagle9> ohh....
  • [12:14:14] <janrinze> oops .. heavy ;-)
  • [12:14:15] <raster> "why is vista so slow on my petium3 with 256m ram?"
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  • [12:14:28] <Beagle9> heheh..... okkk
  • [12:14:32] <raster> same with kde or gnome - pretty heavy base setup
  • [12:14:42] <Beagle9> which would be a lighter version??
  • [12:14:47] <janrinze> raster: because it is from microsoft ... drat.. you made me say it !
  • [12:14:49] <raster> and if u have windows as a whole greyed out - i suspect u have a compost manager
  • [12:15:05] <raster> the 2 most common are compiz (using gl) and kde's own in kwin
  • [12:15:11] <raster> janrinze: hahahaha
  • [12:15:16] <raster> Beagle9: as i suggested.
  • [12:15:22] <raster> like enlightenment, fluxbox, windowmaker, etc. etc.
  • [12:15:39] <raster> personally.. i'm biased. i write enlightenment and all its core libraries
  • [12:15:39] <Beagle9> hmmm.... kkk..... :)
  • [12:15:52] <Beagle9> cool.....
  • [12:16:07] <janrinze> Beagle9: try running your distrib with fbdev as the main xdriver.. the you will see ;-)
  • [12:16:13] <raster> and i come from the amiga world where i did 68k asm.. and for me.. cycles and memory really matter. so i really dig embedded - where peolpe actually give a crap about performance and memory footprint
  • [12:16:26] <raster> you wont just "upgrade your phone with a faster cpu/more memory"
  • [12:16:49] <janrinze> I come from Acorn Atom up to Risc PC..
  • [12:16:52] <raster> but again - take it with a grain of salt - i'm biased towards e
  • [12:16:58] <raster> but i do use it all day/every day
  • [12:17:18] <janrinze> needed to solder the Atom myself ;-)
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  • [12:17:25] <raster> and even on my phones, nokia tables, zaurus, and this cute little archos 5g.
  • [12:17:43] <raster> janrinze: oooh. an acorn man
  • [12:17:50] <raster> one of the arch-enemies of the amiga crowd
  • [12:17:58] <raster> (along with those silly atari-st's)
  • [12:18:06] <Beagle2> Hi all, when I try to "bitbake x11-image" it says "please set the CACHE variable"....any ideas?
  • [12:18:07] <janrinze> raster: yup and it really was faster ;-)
  • [12:18:18] <raster> that depends
  • [12:18:32] <raster> in code on the arm.. sure. i did like the rotate while doing an op thng. i still love it
  • [12:18:48] <janrinze> raster: nope.. it just was faster anyway :-p
  • [12:18:54] <raster> but... if u did your homework and summoned the power of the other custom chips... you could really kick some butt.
  • [12:19:14] <Beagle2> "bitbake console-image" works fine....and CACHE is already defined in one of the .conf files. I dont know how/what changes to make to that .conf??
  • [12:19:19] <raster> bizarre
  • [12:19:23] <raster> is thast new?
  • [12:19:25] <raster> i dont set mine
  • [12:19:28] <janrinze> raster: i am just teasing you.. ;-)
  • [12:19:34] <raster> janrinze: :-P~
  • [12:19:42] <raster> janrinze: arm survived. amiga didnt
  • [12:19:53] <raster> so it did "win"
  • [12:19:56] <janrinze> raster: I run RISC OS on my BB :-)
  • [12:20:03] <raster> but i do say my 1200 was a nice box.
  • [12:20:35] <janrinze> raster: you might try Amiga OS on the BB ;-)
  • [12:20:46] <raster> with AHA and a good 6mb of ram... it was doing nicely. thats where i got into 3d modelling - imagine and lightwave. i can't say my amiga experiences were bad :)
  • [12:20:53] <raster> amigaos was for 68k
  • [12:21:01] <raster> nd no source - so... not going to happen on the bb
  • [12:21:14] <raster> either way - i stuck with amiga intul 96.. then i converted to x86 + linux
  • [12:21:31] <janrinze> raster: there are some folks who made a Amiga OS i.i.r.c. which is open source.
  • [12:21:33] <raster> and now i'm firmly in the linux camp.. so its already running my fave os :)
  • [12:21:44] <raster> thats a new implementation from scratch
  • [12:21:46] <raster> aros
  • [12:21:58] <janrinze> raster: I am also pretty happy with Linux.
  • [12:22:00] <raster> they re-implemented the apis and core system functionality
  • [12:22:08] <raster> okies.. foods time. bbl
  • [12:23:04] <Beagle2> When I try to "bitbake x11-image" it says "please set the CACHE variable"....any ideas? "bitbake console-image" works fine.
  • [12:23:22] <raster> as i said
  • [12:23:27] <raster> first time i have seen that ever needed
  • [12:23:33] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [12:24:02] <janrinze> Beagle2: look at the script http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/files/source-me.txt
  • [12:24:21] <janrinze> jkridner|work: morning.
  • [12:24:31] <jkridner|work> hi janrinze
  • [12:24:52] <jkridner|work> is there an easy how-to for RISC OS?
  • [12:25:03] <janrinze> jkridner|work: want one?
  • [12:25:27] <jkridner|work> always want to make it easy for people to use BeagleBoards.
  • [12:25:53] <janrinze> jkridner|work: currently it takes a Acorn machine to build the ROM..
  • [12:25:57] <jkridner|work> Also, special computing sells pre-programmed SD cards to give people a quick start. I find that very helpful.
  • [12:26:19] <janrinze> jkridner|work: there are prebuilt ROMs
  • [12:26:21] <jkridner|work> on http://beagleboard.org/esc, we provide a demo image that can be put on an SD card with 'dd'.
  • [12:26:44] <jkridner|work> can the Acorn machine run in a VM?
  • [12:27:08] <janrinze> jkridner|work: qemu seems not fully ARM compatible.. :-(
  • [12:27:35] <jkridner|work> which QEMU are you running?
  • [12:27:43] <janrinze> jkridner|work: RISC OS needs full ARM compatibility.
  • [12:27:44] <Beagle2> Hi all, I'm new to beagleboard and I'm stumped as to why when I try to "bitbake x11-image" it says "please set the CACHE variable"....any ideas? CACHE is already defined in one of the .conf files to something. Are there any FAQs/Support that I could get regarding this?
  • [12:28:01] <janrinze> Beagle2: did you use the script??
  • [12:28:47] <Beagle2> I followed instructions in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit to the word.
  • [12:29:04] <Beagle2> Not sure what script you're referring to.
  • [12:29:34] <janrinze> janrinze: Beagle2: look at the script http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/files/source-me.txt
  • [12:30:35] <janrinze> Beagle2: that script assumes you have a dir /OE that has read/write access for your useraccount
  • [12:30:58] <Beagle2> I dont see a "CACHE" variable defined there either
  • [12:31:27] <janrinze> jkridner|work: there are patches for qemu on the riscosopen.org website.. but i have not been able to run it properly..
  • [12:31:43] <Beagle2> oh..ok...so you want me to copy that script, source it and retry building the x11 image?
  • [12:31:45] <janrinze> Beagle2: did you run the script?
  • [12:32:15] <Beagle2> no..I'm not in front of my Linux box at the moment...I will do it as soon as I get to the office.
  • [12:32:43] <janrinze> Beagle2: if you are logged in on your linux box then just wget the script..
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  • [12:33:34] <Beagle2> Thanks...I still don't understand how it will fix the CACHE variable definition issue...maybe I need to read through some openembedded make environment docs?
  • [12:33:35] <janrinze> jkridner|work: i have a uImage.bin which will startup RISC OS ..
  • [12:34:01] <janrinze> Beagle2: it tells bitbake where to find stuff..
  • [12:34:37] <janrinze> Beagle2: did you install everything in /OE ?
  • [12:34:52] <jkridner|work> janrinze: can you put a link to that on http://beagleboard.org/project?
  • [12:34:59] <Beagle2> yes I did
  • [12:35:33] <Beagle2> I dont understand why it built the console-image fine then...only having the problem with the x11 image.
  • [12:35:34] <janrinze> jkridner|work: it is not GPL.. so I will ask on the riscosopen forum.
  • [12:37:28] <janrinze> jkridner|work: the ROM on their website is not in uImage format..
  • [12:37:59] <janrinze> jkridner|work: also their ROM is a bit out dated..
  • [12:38:02] <jkridner|work> is it open source, but not GPL? or just closed source?
  • [12:38:15] <janrinze> jkridner|work: shared sources..
  • [12:38:40] <janrinze> jkridner|work: bit of a weird construction but it works..
  • [12:39:16] <janrinze> jkridner|work: it means the sources may not be used outside RISC OS .. so you cannot use the sources for other projects.
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  • [12:39:57] <janrinze> jkridner|work: they have info on the source license on their web site too..
  • [12:40:05] <craw> is there documentation on how to control the omaps spi interface?
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  • [12:40:28] <jkridner> switching machines.... ok. it is still fine to put a link on http://beagleboard.org/project. There are links to QNX and WinCE there as well.
  • [12:41:59] <janrinze> jkridner: you can link to the website http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles and add the 'mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x81000000 -e 0x81000040 -n "RISC OS" -d riscos uImage.bin' explanation for making a uImage
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  • [12:42:50] <janrinze> jkridner: just giving out info would not infringe any license agreement i think.
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  • [12:42:58] <jkridner> should I just put it under my name
  • [12:42:59] <jkridner> ?
  • [12:43:05] <jkridner> or do you want to register it?
  • [12:43:18] <janrinze> jkridner: don't mind either way..
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  • [12:44:24] <jkridner> I generally try to encourage other people to make it and keep it up-to-date, but I'm just about to hit save.
  • [12:44:47] <jkridner> is there a more informative page?
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  • [12:45:27] <Crofton> links between wince and wnx?
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  • [12:45:34] <janrinze> jkridner: yes.. the page http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/pages/Cortex-A8+port
  • [12:45:49] <recalcati> I'm testing rev C3 with 2.6.29: BogoMIPS : 504.17 , It means that I'm working full speed or not?
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  • [12:46:48] <janrinze> recalcati: sounds even faster than here.. (488.41 BogoMIPS)
  • [12:47:38] <recalcati> I remember some rumours about a patch for kernel (only inside pm kernel) to work at 600Mhz
  • [12:48:28] <AV500> 600? that slow?
  • [12:49:33] <jkridner> Crofton: what is wnx?
  • [12:49:35] <Crofton|work> koen has updated the pm kernels in OE
  • [12:49:45] <Crofton|work> q is next to w on kb
  • [12:49:54] <jkridner> janrinze: is http://beagleboard.org/project/riscos/ ok?
  • [12:50:38] <janrinze> jkridner: the page http://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/pages/Cortex-A8+port could be added for clarity
  • [12:50:50] <jkridner> it is the homepage link.
  • [12:51:20] <janrinze> sorry missed that :-)
  • [12:51:39] <janrinze> looks fine to me :-)
  • [12:51:42] <jkridner> I put it into the description now.
  • [12:52:31] <janrinze> jkridner: if you want a screen shot there I can provide one ;-)
  • [12:53:56] <janrinze> jkridner: thanks for putting up the project!
  • [12:54:35] <janrinze> jkridner: does that mean i might become eligible for winning a BB for the project? ;-)
  • [12:54:49] <AV500> "might"
  • [12:54:52] <jkridner> I'm not sure about an image, unless it is on Flickr.
  • [12:55:06] <jkridner> janrinze: the eligibility is getting the judges to vote for you. :)
  • [12:55:22] <janrinze> AV500: "might" sounds reasonable ;-)
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  • [12:56:06] <jkridner> speaking of which, ds2, mru: can I get some votes to give out another board or two for last week?
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  • [13:02:03] <janrinze> jkridner: actually I already have a Rev C3 board but i know people developing RISC OS for the BB who don't.
  • [13:02:32] <jkridner> if your entry wins, you can tell us where to ship the board so that they can get it.
  • [13:02:52] <janrinze> jkridner: great.
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  • [13:07:07] <janrinze> jkridner: Jeffrey Lee and Uwe Kall have done all the hard work.. i am just surfing the wave.. ;-)
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  • [13:31:04] <mru> jkridner: you've got my vote
  • [13:31:11] <mru> pushed one to 4 too
  • [13:31:15] <jkridner> thanks mru!
  • [13:31:20] <hrw> how to 'wake up' bb screen output?
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  • [13:33:11] <hrw> as my dvi monitor went into sleepmode and I do not have keybaord connected...
  • [13:34:05] <janrinze> hrw: if X is sleeping then it needs an interrupt from an input device..
  • [13:34:20] <hrw> janrinze: its directfb even
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  • [13:35:39] <janrinze> hrw: does that one go into sleep by itself? if so maybe disable the screenblanking for directfb?
  • [13:35:47] <mru> X doesn't get interrupts
  • [13:36:34] <rupeshgujare> does anyone know if any 3515 based EVM exist ?
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  • [13:37:43] <mru> rupeshgujare: use a 3530 and pretend some parts aren't there
  • [13:37:53] <mru> that's what a 3515 is after all
  • [13:38:12] <hrw> ~curse TI again
  • [13:38:21] <ojm> Hi, so I got my beagleboard, I'm in minicom, which does find my bb, but it doesn't accept my keyboard at all
  • [13:38:31] <hrw> ojm: use hub
  • [13:38:50] <mru> ojm: disable flow control
  • [13:38:53] * jkridner doesn't find the evil in using a 3530 to develop for a 3515.
  • [13:39:03] <ojm> it is disabled, I have read the beginnersthing
  • [13:39:10] <ojm> and rebooted the bb and the pc
  • [13:39:19] <mru> ojm: do you get output from the BB?
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  • [13:39:50] <ojm> yeah, it goes to: OMAP3 beagleboard.org # like it should
  • [13:39:59] <mru> chech your cabling
  • [13:40:00] <hrw> so it works
  • [13:40:01] <mru> check
  • [13:40:15] <mru> double-check you're using the right cable
  • [13:40:22] <mru> and check the flow control settings again
  • [13:40:29] <mru> both HW and SW flow control should be off
  • [13:40:33] <ojm> I just checked the flowcontrol
  • [13:40:35] <rivig> http://www.kinroad.net/Images/UpFile/200938213045898.jpg
  • [13:40:36] <ojm> it's ok
  • [13:40:39] <rivig> yikes
  • [13:40:39] <hrw> do someone other then TI do cortex-a8 arm cpus?
  • [13:40:42] <rivig> wrong window
  • [13:40:46] <rupeshgujare> all rite.. if I develop for Mistral 3530EVM, will that kernel and userland stuff will work on 3515 on the fly (i doubt it wont) ....
  • [13:40:48] <mru> hrw: yes
  • [13:41:14] <hrw> mru: I hope that 2.6.40 will finally get working musb driver for omap3
  • [13:41:15] <mru> hrw: freescale at least, haven't heard of others
  • [13:41:25] <koen> imx51, snapdragon, s5pc100
  • [13:41:57] <rupeshgujare> as end product is going to use 3515 ?
  • [13:42:03] <jkridner> as far as i understand, snapdragon isn't actually cortex-a8, just armv7 "compatibile".
  • [13:42:18] <mru> oh yeah, the snapdragon... but it's very hard to get any information from qualcomm
  • [13:42:19] <ssvb> koen: at least snapdragon is not cortex-a8 iirc
  • [13:42:24] <jkridner> that also doesn't consider general availability.
  • [13:42:36] <hrw> as for example touchbook uses omap3 and will rather have keyboard attached via usb then I would have to think few times to get it or not...
  • [13:42:49] <hrw> it is annoying having to reboot device just to make it see keyboard ;
  • [13:42:50] <hrw> (
  • [13:43:34] <koen> ssvb: ah, right, snapdragin is armv7a + neon, but not cortex
  • [13:43:35] <jkridner> hrw: i believe the keyboard is connected by USB and don't know why it wouldn't show up when connected.
  • [13:43:43] <koen> that still leaves freescale and samsung
  • [13:43:51] <koen> and iirc st also has a8 SoCs
  • [13:44:14] <hrw> jkridner: I have bb b7 and too many times my usb devices are not found
  • [13:44:48] <ojm> umm so my 10 and 9 pins should be the other way around huh? Stupid quick connectors...
  • [13:44:59] <Crofton|work> map printed so I can find hotel
  • [13:45:17] <koen> Crofton|work: but have you packed yet?
  • [13:45:29] <hrw> Crofton|work: I have maps on phone for that
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  • [13:45:55] <Crofton|work> getting ready to through everything in the bags
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  • [13:46:10] <Crofton|work> can't find my via ferrata gloves :(
  • [13:46:34] <jkridner> hrw: the musb code still seems to have a lot of pending patches. a lot of patches to examine are on http://arago-project.org/git/people/?p=sriram/ti-psp-omap.git;a=summary
  • [13:47:45] <ojm> nope, had it right
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  • [13:48:25] <janrinze> ojm: can you use 'screen' in stead of minicom perhaps?
  • [13:48:51] <mru> janrinze: you've misunderstood the entire conversation again
  • [13:49:23] <hrw> jkridner: ok, will wait for Koen to get those added to OE kernel
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  • [13:50:56] <koen> jkridner, hrw: I prefer to get musb patch from the linux-usb-devel mailinglist
  • [13:51:00] <koen> patches*
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  • [13:51:54] <Crofton|work> hrw, using my maps on phone will cost me lots of usd :)
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  • [13:52:04] <hrw> Crofton|work: ah, right - blackberry
  • [13:52:11] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [13:52:11] <janrinze> ojm: are you running OSX?
  • [13:52:18] <ojm> ubuntu
  • [13:52:20] <Crofton|work> if I get really lost, I can use it
  • [13:52:23] <jkridner> understood. i'm told they've been submitted, but expect the developers to continue to push to acceptance.
  • [13:52:50] <hrw> Crofton|work: http://metro.nanika.net/MetroB-en.html
  • [13:53:23] <janrinze> ojm: try closing minicom withouth resetting the serial.
  • [13:53:49] <janrinze> ojm: then use 'screen /dev/ttyS0' and see if that works.
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  • [13:55:28] <janrinze> ojm: it won't show anything because the u-boot console will be waiting for input..
  • [13:55:56] <janrinze> ojm: just type and see if the u-boot console reacts..
  • [13:56:21] <janrinze> ojm: that worked for me..
  • [13:57:42] <ojm> umm, so it does not show me what I type, how am I supposed to know if it works?
  • [13:58:20] <janrinze> ojm: true.. then it probably does not work..
  • [14:00:21] <janrinze> ojm: if you reboot the BB does the xloader message show in the screen session?
  • [14:01:04] <ojm> now I prolly have that screen session still on so it's busy and cannot connect :S
  • [14:01:55] <janrinze> ojm: are you using a direct serial cable, right?
  • [14:02:00] <ojm> yeah
  • [14:02:21] <janrinze> ojm: that is stateless so it does not need to 'connect'
  • [14:02:48] <ojm> either way, it said it's busy
  • [14:02:58] <janrinze> ojm: probably you killed the window with the screen command..
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  • [14:03:06] <ojm> yeah
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  • [14:03:34] <janrinze> ojm: kill the 'screen' process.. that is still attached to the serial device..
  • [14:03:52] <ojm> there was no screen processes running, killall screen did not work, rebooted
  • [14:04:03] <ojm> I suck with screen :S
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  • [14:04:59] <janrinze> ojm: sometimes the screen process forks as "SCREEN' so a killall SCREEN helps..
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  • [14:05:33] <ojm> so, you told me to shut minicom down, but not resetting the serial, how to do that?
  • [14:06:15] <mru> if the hardware is correct, minicom will work just fine with proper settings
  • [14:06:23] <mru> it sounds to me like you have the wrong cables
  • [14:06:35] <mru> can you describe the cabling in detail?
  • [14:06:37] <janrinze> ojm: minicom asks when quitting if you want to reset..
  • [14:06:47] <mru> no, it doesn't
  • [14:07:02] <mru> and that's about sending a modem reset string anyway
  • [14:07:07] <mru> nothing to do with the serial port itself
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  • [14:08:22] <AV500> ojm: BB works perfectly fine with minicom, just make sure you have the correct serial params and correct cabling
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  • [14:10:07] <janrinze> AV500: i have a lot of trouble with minicom when using the serial cable.. not sure why.. it works flakey..
  • [14:10:46] <janrinze> AV500: it misses characters or mangles them when doing copy/paste etc..
  • [14:11:20] <janrinze> AV500: using screen it seems to work perfect for me..
  • [14:12:02] <janrinze> AV500: don't even ask if i understand why.. cause i don't..
  • [14:13:18] * AV500 won't ask
  • [14:13:48] <sakoman> koen: latest metacity revs break cross-compiling :-(
  • [14:14:08] <janrinze> AV500: a friend of mine uses OSX.. he can't type in minicom with exactly the same setting as I use.. looks like voodoo to me..
  • [14:14:21] <sakoman> koen: they now build a couple of tools intended to run on the host machine
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  • [14:14:54] <jkridner> hrw: i added a quick reply on your blog about the USB issues. we can follow up with the USB driver developers at TI.
  • [14:15:08] <koen> sakoman: do you really need latest metacity?
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  • [14:16:07] <sakoman> there are some session startup issues that are allegedly fixed, but I don't know that I really "need" the latest
  • [14:16:26] <sakoman> I'm just trying to eliminate know issues :-)
  • [14:17:10] * sakoman won't even get started on the state of current linux-omap :-(
  • [14:17:43] <hrw> jkridner: where you added it?
  • [14:18:25] <jkridner> strange. I posted it as a comment. do you have moderation enabled?
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  • [14:18:46] <jkridner> ah, I didn't follow the openid redirect.
  • [14:18:51] <jkridner> seems to fail.
  • [14:19:10] <jkridner> my comment is lost. :(
  • [14:19:55] * jkridner tries to remember what was written.
  • [14:20:02] <julem> whats the best GPS option (GPS MODULE NUM PART/MODEL) for integrating it with the B. Board? I mean, I want the easiest/cheaper way (via serial, ic etc..)
  • [14:20:27] <koen> julem: usb or bluetooth (via usb)
  • [14:20:44] <julem> hmm but where do I find such module?
  • [14:21:13] <koen> jkridner: you posted a link to a usb battery a while ago, I found another one that works: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3647423176/
  • [14:21:14] <julem> I want a Part Number,
  • [14:21:23] <lifeeth> julem, you can try http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=465
  • [14:21:24] <julem> or an URL for ordereing it
  • [14:21:25] <jkridner> hrw: your openid script doesn't seem to be working for me.
  • [14:21:32] <julem> k?
  • [14:21:34] <lifeeth> julem, It is serial
  • [14:22:25] <lifeeth> julem, or http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8703
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  • [14:22:35] <julem> hmm does the usb version is more expensive?
  • [14:22:43] <jkridner> koen: put it in the delicious verified peripheral feed.
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  • [14:23:16] <hrw> jkridner: will kill it
  • [14:23:33] <lifeeth> julem, a bit more.. but it is a plug and play option .. which will work without any extra hardware connections
  • [14:23:40] <hrw> jkridner: it was working when I tested it some months ago
  • [14:23:48] <julem> life doesnt http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8703 need an antenna?
  • [14:23:49] <hrw> jkridner: no openid anymore now
  • [14:23:56] <jkridner> comment posted.
  • [14:24:18] <Crofton|work> ok packed, mostly
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  • [14:24:32] <lifeeth> julem, on board antenna I guess
  • [14:25:08] <julem> hmmm k
  • [14:25:19] <hrw> jkridner: looks likee it needs other version that 2.6.29-oe one
  • [14:25:24] <hrw> -sh: can't create /proc/driver/musb_hdrc: nonexistent directory
  • [14:25:36] <julem> what about tilt/pan cam?
  • [14:25:57] <jkridner> do you have /proc, but no /proc/driver/musb_hdrc?
  • [14:26:08] <hrw> jkridner: yep
  • [14:26:09] <julem> I want to attach a motor web cam to beagle
  • [14:26:16] <hrw> root@beagleboard:~# ls /proc/driver/
  • [14:26:17] <hrw> rtc snd-page-alloc
  • [14:26:24] <julem> whats the best option?
  • [14:26:26] <koen> jkridner: /proc should get used any more for stuff like that
  • [14:26:52] <koen> jkridner: ajay added a hack to get /proc back, but I suspect that's for ex-symbian developers without google skills
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  • [14:27:16] <jkridner> k. the feedback I got was "this is the behavior of the community driver".
  • [14:27:20] <lifeeth> julem, Most normal usb devices just work --
  • [14:28:03] <julem> yeah but I am talking in driver terms
  • [14:28:06] <Crofton|work> koen, can you email me your snail mail address? I need to prepare the envelope to send you the soft rocks
  • [14:28:10] <julem> dirver compatibility
  • [14:28:15] <julem> with linux
  • [14:28:23] <koen> jkridner: "community driver" my ass, it's "upstream"
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  • [14:29:01] <julem> besides... how many USB devices could be attached to the board?
  • [14:29:11] <hrw> julem: 125
  • [14:29:23] <julem> without any bandwitch reduction?
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  • [14:29:35] <hrw> julem: thats other thing
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  • [14:29:37] <julem> up to 12Mbps?
  • [14:29:43] <hrw> julem: 480Mbps
  • [14:29:44] <koen> hrw: 250 on revC :)
  • [14:29:51] <hrw> koen: USB allows 127 devices
  • [14:30:05] <koen> hrw: ECHI and MUSB are seperate controllers
  • [14:30:08] <hrw> ah
  • [14:30:27] * jkridner would like to get out of the middle of this, but in the meantime...
  • [14:30:40] <jkridner> when I asserted that /proc was dead...
  • [14:30:45] <janrinze> koen: still the Mentor Graphics USB?
  • [14:31:17] <jkridner> I got the response that sysfs hasn't really been deployed on USB and /proc can be used.
  • [14:31:39] <jkridner> this confuses me a bit.
  • [14:31:56] <julem> lifeeth that USB GPS u adviced me... is linux friendly? I mean if it has a driver or an SDK
  • [14:31:57] <jkridner> what is the behavior of OTG USB support in the upstream code?
  • [14:31:58] <koen> jkridner: sounds a bit like "it's my driver and I will use proc if I want to" ;)
  • [14:32:27] <jkridner> well, the usage of /proc seems to have eluded upstream.
  • [14:32:28] <hrw> koen: if driver is not written by TI then it is community driver? D:
  • [14:32:35] <koen> root@beagleboard:~# ls /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/
  • [14:32:36] <koen> driver gadget modalias mode pools power srp subsystem uevent usb2 usb_host usbmon vbus
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  • [14:33:10] <koen> jkridner: I saw the patch that added /proc stuff back, AFAIK it's only in TI trees, never sent to linux-usb-devel
  • [14:33:37] <koen> but I check linux-usb-devel only 2 or 3 times a year
  • [14:33:56] * koen usually searches for "musb" or "stupid IP block"
  • [14:34:20] <koen> the second one will get lots of hits :)
  • [14:37:04] <ojm> so yeah, wiring was bad. pin 3 from pc needed to go to pin 2 of beagleboard
  • [14:37:22] <mru> that's what I thought
  • [14:37:28] <ojm> thank you
  • [14:41:29] <julem> Hey, does anyone used an USB GPS on Beagle? is there any software/library/sdk for accessing it in linux? some driver support?
  • [14:41:47] <mru> depends on what gps you're using
  • [14:42:05] <mru> if it works in linux at all it will work on the beagle
  • [14:42:11] <julem> what do you mean? brand or model?
  • [14:42:29] <AV500> julem: arent most GPS dongles USBserial?
  • [14:42:36] <julem> yes
  • [14:42:46] <AV500> so, if usb serial works, gps dongles work
  • [14:42:47] <julem> but I am looking for drivers
  • [14:42:50] <julem> or sdk
  • [14:42:53] <AV500> for usb serial?
  • [14:43:00] <julem> yeah
  • [14:43:06] <AV500> usb serial should work
  • [14:43:25] <AV500> havent tested though
  • [14:43:28] <ojm> so 3g also should work?
  • [14:43:37] <AV500> depends on the 3g
  • [14:43:55] <ojm> but if it works with ubuntu?
  • [14:44:02] <mru> then it will work
  • [14:44:04] <julem> I want to make an application that receives the data from the USB GPS and then do something... is there any HIGH level sdk/library for that?
  • [14:44:05] <ojm> yay
  • [14:44:26] <AV500> julem: for what? to acces usb serial you open dev/ttyUSBx
  • [14:44:43] <julem> yeah but thats low level right?
  • [14:45:04] <AV500> yes, but the high level if BB independent
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  • [14:45:29] <julem> BB independent?
  • [14:45:50] <janrinze> julem: NMEA strings.
  • [14:45:53] <julem> ok so u are talking that my application must read the low level usb data and then do whatever?
  • [14:45:54] <AV500> does not depend on beagleboard
  • [14:46:17] <julem> yeah but how do you difference NMEA Strings from the USB header protocol?
  • [14:46:38] <AV500> it is serial over usb!
  • [14:46:48] <AV500> there is not USB header protocoll that you will see
  • [14:46:51] <janrinze> julem: the serial device does not trans mit the USB headers
  • [14:47:13] <julem> ok so I will get the NMEA STRINGS directly without any parsing?
  • [14:47:45] <julem> well at least the parsing of different NMEA Strings blocks...
  • [14:47:46] <julem> ok
  • [14:47:47] <AV500> yes
  • [14:47:50] <janrinze> julem: hook it up and do cat /dev/ttyUSB0 or something ..
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  • [14:48:11] <julem> ooh ok
  • [14:48:45] <janrinze> julem: if your lucky it will spew out readable text :-)
  • [14:48:54] <julem> lol
  • [14:49:14] <mru> janrinze: cat isn't likely to magically configure the right rs232 params
  • [14:49:38] <mru> minicom however...
  • [14:49:50] <janrinze> mru: it is a USB device...
  • [14:50:03] <julem> but rs232 params are wrapped in the usb right?
  • [14:50:13] <janrinze> julem: did you try?
  • [14:50:14] <julem> oooh ok
  • [14:50:27] <mru> it's a usb device that looks like an rs232 interface
  • [14:50:29] <julem> no I even dont have the Usb roght here :)
  • [14:50:40] <julem> yeah thats why /dev/tty
  • [14:50:53] <lifeeth> julem, the prolific chip works on linux
  • [14:51:07] <lifeeth> It will show up as /dev/ttyUSB0 or something like that
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  • [14:51:35] <janrinze> lifeeth: have you got that one?
  • [14:51:51] <rivig> prolific/bb works for me
  • [14:51:52] <julem> Here people are sayng that retrieving data from the USB GPS is easy as cat /dev/ttyUSB
  • [14:51:57] <lifeeth> janrinze, Nope.. But I have a prolific chip based thing that works
  • [14:51:58] <julem> is it ok?
  • [14:52:04] <lifeeth> julem, yup :)
  • [14:52:07] <julem> cool
  • [14:52:33] <rivig> i have three different usb/serial adapters.. all work with the beagle
  • [14:52:52] <janrinze> lifeeth: can you see the GPS data just using 'cat /dev/ttyUSB0' ?
  • [14:52:53] <mru> julem: 1) don't listen to janrinze, 2) plug in the gps in a pc or whatever, and see what it shows up as
  • [14:52:55] <julem> SiRFstar III are the best GPS modules right?
  • [14:53:09] <julem> lol ok
  • [14:53:14] <lifeeth> janrinze, you will probably get the raw nmea which you will need to process
  • [14:53:33] <janrinze> lifeeth: yup.. but it shows it works correctly..
  • [14:53:55] <lifeeth> janrinze, it should work fine.. it will show up as a serial port on your OS
  • [14:54:02] <julem> yeah thats what i was asking, if there was some kind of SDK or Higle level library for parsing that NMEA strings..
  • [14:54:12] <julem> but is OK i know a little gcc :)
  • [14:54:17] <janrinze> lifeeth: also most software for GPS uses nmea strings anyway..
  • [14:54:22] <lifeeth> :D
  • [14:54:32] <lifeeth> julem, you can easy write some code to do the nmea bit
  • [14:54:38] <AV500> julem: NMEA strings are ASCII, you can "read" them :-)
  • [14:54:40] <julem> yeah i guess
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  • [14:58:41] <julem> Can anyone suggest me a tilt/pan web cam compatible with UVCVIDEO or at least with linux drivers?
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  • [15:00:16] <lifeeth> julem, Most linux compatible devices will just work on the beagle board as well .. I guess google would be able to answer you faster
  • [15:01:19] <julem> ok ty
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  • [15:05:35] <srujanjonnadula> hey guys
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  • [15:08:04] <rivig> julem: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
  • [15:08:16] <julem> k ty
  • [15:10:16] <julem> so if i have problems looking for a tilt/pan uvcvideo web cam... an option could by to buy a WIFI web cam right? then I dont need to deal with low level V4L2 instructiions right?
  • [15:10:17] <AV500> cool, Microsoft LifeCam NX-6000 works
  • [15:10:34] <julem> could be
  • [15:10:43] * AV500 would have expected them to force a totally prorietary protocoll onto their OEMs :-)
  • [15:12:10] <julem> WIFI web cams are controlled via URL's right? i mean http://webcamerver/command?tilt=50&pan=230
  • [15:12:28] <koen> AV500: most microsoft periphals are quite decent hardware, conforming to standards and all
  • [15:13:10] <AV500> koen: yeah, all their kbd's even put the windows keys :-)
  • [15:13:24] <mru> koen: yeah, they even have qwerty keyboards
  • [15:13:24] * rivig cuddles his sidewinder joystick
  • [15:13:54] <AV500> qwerty is so non-standard here :-)
  • [15:14:09] <mru> qwertz?
  • [15:14:16] <AV500> yep
  • [15:14:17] <muriani> sidewinder 3d pro here :)
  • [15:14:23] <mru> not as bad as azerty ;-)
  • [15:14:48] * AV500 mumbles something about cr*zy french
  • [15:15:24] <mru> I visited our office in paris once, someone there asked if I was ok with the keyboard, otherwise they had spanish and japanese ones too...
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  • [15:18:22] <rivig> mru: like this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/200801191443_Japanische_Tastatur.jpeg :)
  • [15:18:40] <hrw> bye
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  • [15:19:01] <mru> rivig: ;-)
  • [15:19:20] <mru> that's just wrong
  • [15:19:31] <raster> luckily it doesnt exist
  • [15:19:34] <raster> (anymore)
  • [15:20:08] <raster> http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol9/issue1/Japanese_Keyboard.gif
  • [15:20:13] <raster> tghat is what they look like
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  • [15:21:35] <mru> I know, I have one
  • [15:22:01] <AV500> and your Paris office misses one? :-)
  • [15:22:13] <mru> hehe
  • [15:22:20] <raster> okay.. snooz!
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  • [15:22:26] <mru> no, I don't remember who misses one
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  • [15:25:44] <ojm> but hey, they say that qwerty was made for making typing slower or something
  • [15:25:51] <mru> that's a myth
  • [15:26:06] <mru> it was made to minimise jamming in mechanical typewriters
  • [15:26:14] <mru> to allow faster typing
  • [15:28:02] <ojm> ok, but it does not mean it's good or anything if it solved a problem we don't have anymore
  • [15:28:14] <mru> it doesn't mean it's bad either
  • [15:28:25] <mru> typing speed doesn't depend that much on the layout
  • [15:28:38] <mru> especially with the majority using hunt-and-peck anyway
  • [15:29:23] <mru> and when I'm typing, I'm usually limited by my thinking speed, not typing speed
  • [15:30:02] <mru> could be that I'm simply stupid of course
  • [15:30:13] <AV500> mru: yes, because you are an engineer, so a minority in kbd useage :-)
  • [15:30:36] <ojm> well I would think that a layout where the most used keys are near would be faster
  • [15:30:51] <ojm> and how about a situation where you just copy text from a book or something?
  • [15:31:03] <mru> pure copying isn't something I often do
  • [15:31:05] <AV500> ??? by hand, in 2009?
  • [15:31:10] <mru> hardly anyone does that nowadays
  • [15:31:13] <AV500> like a monk with a laptop?
  • [15:31:15] <ojm> but not like that matters for me, I'm going to build a spiffchorder and learn that anyway
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  • [15:31:22] * ogra points mru to http://emotiv.com/corporate/2_0/2_5.htm
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  • [15:31:44] <mru> if you touch-type properly, all the keys are nearby
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  • [15:32:21] <ojm> I type about 60wpm or so
  • [15:32:32] <ojm> if I really try
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  • [15:33:09] * koen types about 10 typos per minute
  • [15:33:23] <ogra> haha
  • [15:33:54] <mru> I never make tpyos
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  • [15:36:05] <mru> did someone nuke TI HQ?
  • [15:36:25] <lifeeth> :D
  • [15:36:57] <AV500> mru: we are still assembling the bomb...
  • [15:37:06] <lifeeth> maybe some one restarted the beagle board that was running their internets :P
  • [15:37:42] <koen> mru: maybe their evil firewall disallows vpn?
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  • [16:34:30] <utoz__> Hey, since I can't make the SPI work, is there anything else I could use to send 10 mbit/s on the beagle board?
  • [16:34:55] <koen> usb?
  • [16:35:04] <koen> sdio?
  • [16:35:08] <mru> but spi should work
  • [16:35:09] <koen> telepathy?
  • [16:37:07] <utoz__> usb is out of the question since it sends garbage at the initialisation
  • [16:41:27] <utoz__> I don't know how to make the SPI work: I compiled the kernel with "Debug support for SPI drivers", "McSPI driver for OMAP24xx/OMAP34xx" and "User mode SPI device driver support"
  • [16:41:42] <utoz__> spidev appears in /sys/class
  • [16:42:02] <utoz__> but no spidev thingy in /dev/
  • [16:42:55] <koen> did you change the mux settings?
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  • [16:44:23] <utoz__> I yes, i forgot about that
  • [16:44:50] <utoz__> *ah yes
  • [16:45:34] <utoz__> well actually I did recompile uboot
  • [16:45:55] <utoz__> but I probably did something wrong
  • [16:51:09] <ojm> Ok I have problems with booting that angstrom from sd
  • [16:53:53] <ojm> unable to use mmc 0:1 for fatload, wrong image format for bootm command, can't get kernel image...
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  • [16:59:00] <koen> utoz__: try 'rm /etc/dev.tar' and reboot to see it /dev/spidev shows up
  • [17:04:39] <julem> How many bucks does the board battery cost?
  • [17:04:47] <julem> where can I get info?
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  • [17:07:11] <ojm> unknown command 'mmcinit'??
  • [17:07:22] <ds2> use "mmc init"
  • [17:07:30] <koen> julem: the HRM tells you which battery you need, google should be able to give you an indication of the price
  • [17:07:48] <julem> HRM?
  • [17:07:54] <julem> whast that?
  • [17:08:20] <koen> julem: http://beagleboard.org/ -> Top Resources
  • [17:08:36] <ds2> did the SRM change names into the HRM?
  • [17:09:12] <ojm> yay! thank you ds2
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  • [17:14:35] <ojm> now it doesn't want my keyboard :P
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  • [17:23:11] <Crofton|bold> quiet
  • [17:23:29] <sakoman> noisey
  • [17:24:43] <mru> boom, boom, boom
  • [17:24:50] <Crofton|bold> heh
  • [17:25:18] <Crofton|bold> when do you think you will update gumstix from dev again
  • [17:26:03] <Crofton|bold> there are some gnuradio fixes I woild like to see appear for the overo
  • [17:26:25] <sakoman> probably later today
  • [17:26:46] <Crofton|bold> cool
  • [17:27:27] <Crofton|bold> need to send an email to some peollpe
  • [17:27:27] <Crofton|bold> I'll include that info:)
  • [17:27:51] <sakoman> hopefully it won't break things :-)
  • [17:27:53] <julem> Does anyone used some solar battery with the beagle? can anyone suggest me one?
  • [17:28:04] <sakoman> which could delay pushing the merge till I fix it
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  • [17:28:52] <Crofton|bold> yeah
  • [17:28:58] <Crofton|bold> always a risk
  • [17:29:42] <Crofton|bold> we should convince you to use stable sometime
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  • [17:30:44] <ojm> works perfectly now, it wanted usb hub for keyboard and mouse
  • [17:32:32] <ojm> except that I seem to have a bit too small power connector so I should not move the board a bit or it will reset
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  • [18:40:36] <sv_osusr1> I have rev b6 & c2 boards.on both of them usb does not work with 2.6.29-oer36.1 kernel.is that a known issue or I am doing something wrong?
  • [18:42:00] <muriani> w00t, beagle's in oklahoma city!
  • [18:42:05] <muriani> two more days... :D
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  • [18:48:18] <Crofton> srujanjonnadula, how is it going today?
  • [18:58:14] <srujanjonnadula> hey
  • [18:58:19] <srujanjonnadula> doing alright
  • [18:58:34] * koen measures a 10 minute RTT
  • [18:58:45] <srujanjonnadula> Crofton: I have been looking at the API's for the DSPlink module
  • [18:59:01] <srujanjonnadula> we plan on making a sample application that does bit inversion and FFT
  • [18:59:15] <Crofton> great
  • [18:59:31] <Crofton> I am off to Berlin, then will be on vacation next week
  • [18:59:41] <srujanjonnadula> oh awesome
  • [18:59:46] <srujanjonnadula> what do you have planned for in berlin
  • [18:59:57] <Crofton> Should get to see a talk on the OMAP3 by _roger_ at Linuxtag
  • [19:00:04] <Crofton> www.linuxtag.org
  • [19:00:28] <srujanjonnadula> oh wow
  • [19:01:15] <koen> Crofton: say hi to roger for me :)
  • [19:01:43] <srujanjonnadula> the website is in german haha
  • [19:01:51] <srujanjonnadula> thank god for google translator
  • [19:02:48] <Crofton> there is an english version
  • [19:03:13] <srujanjonnadula> oh ok
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  • [19:03:57] <Crofton> upper right corner "english"
  • [19:04:06] <Crofton> I'll be at the OpenEmbedded booth
  • [19:04:18] <Crofton> koen, will do
  • [19:04:25] <srujanjonnadula> thats great!
  • [19:05:09] <srujanjonnadula> will you be promoting OSSIE there? haha
  • [19:06:00] <Crofton> heh
  • [19:06:00] <Crofton> no
  • [19:06:09] <Crofton> mostly I do gnuradio these days
  • [19:06:13] <Crofton> bigger market
  • [19:06:23] * mru does ffmpeg
  • [19:06:26] <mru> *huge* market
  • [19:06:31] <Crofton> heh
  • [19:06:36] <Crofton> free pr0n viewing
  • [19:06:39] <srujanjonnadula> oh ok haha
  • [19:06:54] <srujanjonnadula> have all the libraries for gnuradio been converted to c++ yet?
  • [19:07:01] <Crofton> they are c++
  • [19:07:04] <Crofton> from day 1
  • [19:07:12] <mru> we have millions of unwitting users
  • [19:07:13] <Crofton> eb uses features of c++
  • [19:07:25] <mru> s/features/nightmares/
  • [19:07:26] <Crofton> people like eb frighten mru
  • [19:07:38] <koen> srujanjonnadula: I think the question is "have people stopped using python yet?" :)
  • [19:08:05] <Crofton> 3.2 supports flow graphs entirely in c++
  • [19:08:10] <mru> koen: oooh, that's I'll break out the champagne
  • [19:08:34] <srujanjonnadula> hahaha
  • [19:08:39] <Crofton> python only functioned as the framework, although there are some signal processing blocks in python (for gnuradio)
  • [19:08:47] <srujanjonnadula> oh ok
  • [19:11:35] <sv_osusr1> hi.does usb work with 2.6.29 kernel?
  • [19:11:57] <srujanjonnadula> i was under the assumption
  • [19:12:11] <srujanjonnadula> that python was not the prefered language for signal processing
  • [19:12:19] <srujanjonnadula> or anything that requires quick execution
  • [19:12:34] <koen> srujanjonnadula: you are correct
  • [19:12:42] <koen> srujanjonnadula: sadly people are crazy
  • [19:12:55] <srujanjonnadula> hahaha
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  • [19:13:26] <koen> srujanjonnadula: but you can help!
  • [19:13:37] <srujanjonnadula> hahaha
  • [19:13:40] <koen> denounce python and mru might break out lemonade
  • [19:14:16] <mru> come to linuxtag and I might buy you a beer if you say something I like
  • [19:14:31] <mru> that could be "python sucks"
  • [19:14:36] <srujanjonnadula> hahaha
  • [19:14:39] <mru> or "gcc stinks"
  • [19:14:39] <Crofton> no, but it is convenient
  • [19:14:41] <Crofton> and
  • [19:14:55] <Crofton> if you have a fast enough machine it can do useful work :)
  • [19:15:32] <Xenion> mru your on the linux tag ?
  • [19:15:33] <Xenion> :D
  • [19:15:46] <Crofton> ok
  • [19:15:49] <Crofton> gotta run
  • [19:15:50] <mru> Xenion: of course
  • [19:15:51] <Xenion> let me guess you're hanging out at the TI workshop
  • [19:15:56] <Xenion> for the bb
  • [19:15:57] <mru> ffmpeg booth
  • [19:16:03] <Xenion> i see
  • [19:16:08] <Crofton> mru see you tomorrow or Wednesday
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  • [19:16:25] <koen> mru: so it's one year of beagle for you
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  • [19:16:54] <mru> koen: with margin, LT was earlier last year
  • [19:16:59] <mru> and it's been a fun year
  • [19:18:13] <koen> mru: if some cpu has hardware blocks for e.g. h264 decode, how hard would it be to adapt ffmpeg to use those?
  • [19:18:28] <koen> what would be needed from the SoC manufacturer?
  • [19:18:34] <mru> documentation
  • [19:18:45] <mru> and the difficulty depends on how those blocks are wired to the cpu
  • [19:19:57] <mru> koen: you said omapfbplay seems to have slowed down...
  • [19:20:09] <mru> koen: did you try disabling the main gfx plane?
  • [19:20:34] <mru> or did dss2 learn how to configure the overlay optimisation stuff?
  • [19:20:38] <koen> mru: I didn't
  • [19:20:50] <koen> so it might just be the main gfx plain sucking bw
  • [19:21:36] <mru> how many fps do you get with omapfbplay -s -t 1280x720 ?
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  • [19:23:28] <koen> mru: how long should I let it run?
  • [19:23:45] <mru> it will stop after a few seconds
  • [19:24:03] <koen> ah, it does now
  • [19:24:10] * koen runs it for a second time just in case
  • [19:25:20] <koen> half of the times I get:
  • [19:25:21] <koen> 8221 ms, 121 fps, read 168154725 B/s, write 224206300 B/s
  • [19:25:31] <koen> the other half I get:
  • [19:25:32] <mru> that's pretty crap
  • [19:25:32] <koen> 21341 ms, 46 fps, read 64776720 B/s, write 86368961 B/s
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  • [19:25:38] <mru> you should get around 200 fps
  • [19:26:35] <koen> heh
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  • [19:29:13] * koen root@beagleboard:/sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay0# echo 0 > enabled
  • [19:29:50] <koen> that gets me to:
  • [19:29:56] <koen> 6582 ms, 151 fps, read 210027347 B/s, write 280036463 B/s
  • [19:30:16] <koen> 1280x864-16 main framebuffer
  • [19:35:18] <mru> what cpu clock?
  • [19:35:37] <mru> I get 186 fps at 500MHz
  • [19:35:52] <mru> 205 fps if I crank it up to 600MHz the dirty way
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  • [19:38:07] <_av500_> I'll run it on my side tomorrow morning, no hw at home
  • [19:38:29] <cbrake> koen: amethyst is out of disk space -- any ideas where to look first?
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  • [19:39:46] <mru> cbrake: your favorite computer parts store ;-)
  • [19:40:25] <cbrake> mru: :-)
  • [19:40:27] <koen> cbrake: let me run a cronjob to clear out some space
  • [19:40:43] <_av500_> rm -r /tmp/tmp/pr0n
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  • [19:41:04] <mru> _av500_: so that's where hide the pr0n
  • [19:41:20] <_av500_> nope, /tmp2
  • [19:41:31] <_av500_> does not get deleted
  • [19:41:38] <koen> cbrake: 9GB cleared :)
  • [19:41:43] <cbrake> koen: thanks
  • [19:42:12] <koen> cbrake: I'd recommend ncdu to check for hotspots
  • [19:42:29] <cbrake> koen: good idea -- what did you cron job clean?
  • [19:43:02] <koen> cbrake: stale narcissus files
  • [19:43:52] <koen> cbrake: narcissus run in my homedir, which is on on the tiny, tiny /
  • [19:43:55] <koen> instead of /data
  • [19:44:21] <koen> the cronjob expires everything >3 days old
  • [19:44:36] <koen> cbrake: 'crontab -e' as root to see how it does that :)
  • [19:44:45] <cbrake> koen: ok, thanks
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  • [20:00:20] * koen is cranky
  • [20:00:28] <koen> time to make some coffee and have a cookie
  • [20:00:57] <hrw> koen reminded me that I have some movies to copy to laptop for LT
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  • [20:02:03] <koen> big buck bunny?
  • [20:02:36] <mru> funny, I was just playing that on my beagle ;-)
  • [20:02:38] <hrw> koen: rather some action movies to watch when I wake too early
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  • [20:03:07] <hrw> but big buck bunny is one of movies on long list to watch
  • [20:03:18] <mru> it's only 10 minutes long
  • [20:03:22] <mru> and rather funny
  • [20:03:25] <hrw> with 'star wars revelations' or '2005 linus speak about git'
  • [20:03:42] <hrw> mru: and needs to be fetched first
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  • [20:05:07] <hrw> anyway started axel
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  • [20:07:39] <KosiNuss> my wattmeter says my beagleboard consumes 8 Watt (including usb-hub and power supply), even wenn the cpu idles. i thought, it would be 2 Watts around. is that normal?
  • [20:08:29] <koen> KosiNuss: try a kernel with powermanagement enabled: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/crofton/
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  • [20:10:02] <KosiNuss> the standard angstrom demoimage hasn't built-in powermanagement yet?
  • [20:10:51] <koen> it has, but you need a hundred or so additional patches to get it working properly
  • [20:11:13] <KosiNuss> oh, ok.
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  • [21:21:19] <_av500_> any qemu experts here?
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  • [21:26:16] <_av500_> but then, they might be in #qemu... :-)
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  • [21:51:20] <djlewis> Koen: I know you are busy, I got a Unstable, Enlightment, wireless tools, fldigi, opencv image from narcissus and it now boots and recognizes my usb devices on the EHCI (revC) and mouse works.
  • [21:51:40] <djlewis> Webcam or WIFI wont load kernel modules but they show in lsusb.
  • [21:51:56] <djlewis> no lsmod devices.
  • [21:52:09] <djlewis> devices arggh, modules
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  • [21:58:45] <djlewis> koen: is there another app I should have checked? I did NOT select all kernel modules.
  • [21:59:05] <djlewis> made that mistake the first time. Bad idea in my case.
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  • [22:12:09] <koen> djlewis: try doing 'depmod -ae' as root
  • [22:12:37] <koen> djlewis: and of course check that the kernel modules are indeed installed
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  • [22:13:03] <koen> if the modules aren't installed, they can't get loaded
  • [22:13:28] <djlewis> koen: si if they are not I should try to manually install them?
  • [22:14:12] <djlewis> I tried with all kernel modules and got a pile of errors for all devices.
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  • [22:15:13] <koen> what kind of errors?
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  • [22:15:39] <djlewis> I new you would ask that, and I have slept since then and am 30 miles from my BB :(
  • [22:15:50] <koen> I have all kernel modules installed and now troubles at all
  • [22:16:29] <djlewis> The error is still in my Firefox search cache I expect, at home 30 miles away.
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  • [22:17:16] <Crofton|bold> They have to fix a seat
  • [22:17:18] <djlewis> I suspected I was selecting or not selecting something in narcissus thus causing the probs.
  • [22:17:33] <Crofton|bold> florian oing
  • [22:18:53] <djlewis> koen: does uImage or uboot in any way effect usb kernel modules loading?
  • [22:19:29] <Crofton|bold> pinmux issues on differnt rev beagles
  • [22:19:44] <Crofton|bold> ?
  • [22:20:19] <koen> djlewis: your kernel has to match the modules, of course
  • [22:20:28] <koen> some guy on the mailinglist got that wrong
  • [22:20:33] <djlewis> I am using sakoman_ msdos partition of MLO, uImage, etc
  • [22:20:57] <koen> replace that uImage with the one from /boot/ in the ext3 partition
  • [22:21:40] <djlewis> koen: I can do that. so it is related?
  • [22:21:58] <djlewis> doh! obviously...
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  • [22:22:31] <Crofton|bold> Ok, I really should pick up a rev c
  • [22:22:43] <djlewis> koen: thank you again..
  • [22:22:47] <Crofton|bold> stupid broken seat
  • [22:23:17] <koen> Crofton|bold: bribe the TI people at linuxtag :)
  • [22:23:34] <koen> Crofton|bold: and have a safe trip!
  • [22:23:38] <Crofton|bold> need to get someone to write an elinux article on using narcissus
  • [22:23:49] <Crofton|bold> For complate newbies
  • [22:24:05] <Crofton|bold> heh, need to get on plane
  • [22:24:51] <Crofton|bold> at least the emergency exit is not deployed like a time in frankfurt
  • [22:25:31] <Crofton|bold> hopefully I have two seats to myself on the 767
  • [22:26:10] <djlewis> yep I am one of those complate newbies :)
  • [22:26:22] <Crofton|bold> bribe suggests I give them money :)
  • [22:26:44] <muriani> well, I
  • [22:27:11] <muriani> I'll be trying to put narcissus on my beagle when it comes in Wednesday
  • [22:27:18] <Crofton|bold> delay update ....
  • [22:27:20] <muriani> I'll document everything I have to do
  • [22:28:05] <muriani> I've got both usb->ethernet and a zd1211 or whatever USB wifi stick, so I can test and write up both
  • [22:28:17] <Crofton|bold> hmmmm
  • [22:29:05] * muriani hits F5
  • [22:29:14] <muriani> darn, still in Memphis.
  • [22:29:23] <Crofton|bold> Ok 7 pm is time they think the seat will be fixed
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  • [22:29:46] <Crofton|bold> what time is it
  • [22:29:56] <muriani> 5:30pm CDT
  • [22:29:57] <Crofton|bold> I only need the minutes
  • [22:30:05] <Crofton|bold> thanks
  • [22:30:07] <muriani> so, GMT-5 or some shite
  • [22:30:10] <Crofton|bold> ok more beer
  • [22:30:17] <muriani> BEER
  • [22:30:24] <muriani> That's what I need to grab on my way home
  • [22:32:52] <djlewis> muriani: I am trying to remember the last thing I ordered that had me on the edge of 'tracking number' reload button.
  • [22:33:32] <muriani> hehehe
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  • [22:33:38] <muriani> it's the beagle for me >_<
  • [22:34:10] * Crofton|bold tracks everything. Sometimes I wait until they list it as delivered before checking at the door.
  • [22:34:58] <djlewis> If something is shipping to my home, 30 miles out, in the country, isolated except for curious local bums walking the road peeking in mail boxes and such, this makes me nervous.
  • [22:35:50] <djlewis> FedX and UPS leave things hanging in a tree next to the road in clear site for all to see if I am not there.
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  • [22:42:25] <_av500_> Fedx guy noticed that I left uni and rerouted all stuff to my office for a few weeks
  • [22:52:51] <djlewis> we can do that manually after a delivery attempt.
  • [22:54:49] <_av500_> this guy did it on his own, after he saw my name at 2 different places :-)
  • [22:56:21] <muriani> you had a particularly conscientious fedex deliveryman
  • [22:56:28] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:56:35] <muriani> here, they are generally not so prone to forethought
  • [22:56:39] <_av500_> no
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  • [22:57:11] <_av500_> once there was a conference at uni, ups guy did not dare go past the registration desk :-)
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  • [22:57:48] <_av500_> guess he forgot his speach...
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  • [22:58:08] <muriani> heh
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  • [22:58:42] <_av500_> but then I have a TNT driver that 1 know for 15 years, he "moved" with me :-)
  • [22:59:32] <muriani> hah
  • [22:59:33] <muriani> nice
  • [23:01:02] <_av500_> k, dreamtime...
  • [23:01:11] <muriani> home time for me
  • [23:01:13] <muriani> *poof*
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  • [23:03:14] <djlewis> see ya'll later, I am heading nome too.
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  • [23:04:39] <_av500_> Nome, sweet Nome
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  • [23:05:46] <djlewis> hee hee.
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