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  • [01:00:52] <robtmr> whats the best way to set up the fstab for a board that boots from MMC?
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  • [01:01:42] <robtmr> I get a bunch of errors on startup, and I figure its from trying to mount flash, etc.
  • [01:02:13] <josh> is the MMC the root filesystem as well?
  • [01:02:26] <robtmr> yep
  • [01:02:55] <josh> I think the kernel mounts it automatically when you specify the rootfs
  • [01:03:25] <josh> root=/dev/blah/blah
  • [01:03:45] <josh> as a kernel argument
  • [01:04:02] <robtmr> I get stuff like this: Remounting root file system...
  • [01:04:02] <robtmr> [11177.039703] uncorrectable error : <3>end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 0
  • [01:04:38] <robtmr> So would it be better to just have nothing in there? Since it should already be mounted?
  • [01:05:04] <josh> whas does your kernel boot arguments look like?
  • [01:05:53] <josh> you should be setting it in uboot
  • [01:06:16] <josh> I'm assuming that's the bootloader you are using
  • [01:06:18] <robtmr> bootargs=console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait omap-dss.def_disp=lcd omapfb.video_mode=1680x1050MR-16@60
  • [01:06:28] <robtmr> yep - pretty much the default
  • [01:08:15] <josh> thats odd
  • [01:08:26] <josh> it looks like it was trying to remount mtdblock0
  • [01:08:35] <josh> which I think is the on-chip NAND
  • [01:10:41] <josh> looking around online those errors are normal
  • [01:10:58] <josh> and don't have anything to do with the remount
  • [01:11:16] <robtmr> thats what I figured, but it seems like there should be some way of getting rid of them
  • [01:11:57] <josh> http://markmail.org/message/7b3xay5fbgo63xsr
  • [01:12:03] <josh> if you really want to mess with it
  • [01:12:56] <robtmr> thanks
  • [01:13:06] <robtmr> I might give it a try
  • [01:17:18] <robtmr> works like a charm!
  • [01:17:53] <robtmr> probably kinda pointless tho, unless you really want to save several nanoseconds at boot time
  • [01:26:52] <josh> of course more serious errors could get lost in that mess
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  • [02:22:58] <djlewis> hi
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  • [02:44:28] <mdavey> hello djlewis
  • [02:44:39] <djlewis> hello mdavey
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  • [02:44:49] <djlewis> I saw you on earlier today
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  • [02:45:22] <mdavey> yea, it is early here. My cat has just woken me up.
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  • [02:45:50] <djlewis> well, maybe it was later yesterday for you then
  • [02:46:03] <djlewis> I dunno with all this glo
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  • [02:46:19] <djlewis> global business
  • [02:46:23] <mdavey> lol. 3.45 am here :(
  • [02:46:55] <djlewis> well tell the cat to go away and leave you to sleep :)
  • [02:48:05] <djlewis> i'm 6 hours behind
  • [02:49:48] <mdavey> Actually I have a q you might be able to answer. I think you've been learning git, etc. I see that fedora and gentoo have recently added lirc 0.8.5. 0.8.4a won't compile for me due to incompatability between lirc and kernel 2.6.29 and later. Any thoughts on way forward?
  • [02:50:29] <djlewis> sorry man, I have not used git yet. Just threaten to.
  • [02:50:58] <mdavey> ah, okay.
  • [02:51:20] <djlewis> your daytimne crowd, koen and others should know
  • [02:52:11] <djlewis> I may try OE when I get enough hard disk space.
  • [02:52:24] <mdavey> yea. Dindn't see him on Friday afternoon. Hopefully over the weekend. Who else? I'm still learning who knows what.
  • [02:52:28] <ds2> git is reasonably easy to use
  • [02:52:40] <djlewis> I saw him on.
  • [02:52:58] <djlewis> bobkatzz just got onboard OE
  • [02:53:09] <djlewis> crofton, sakoman
  • [02:53:34] <Crofton> great
  • [02:53:39] <Crofton> but for now gn
  • [02:53:42] <djlewis> uhohh
  • [02:53:49] <mdavey> lol
  • [02:54:56] <djlewis> Oh, I see ds2 popped in
  • [02:55:17] <djlewis> gotta get myself out of trouble for naming names
  • [02:56:08] <ds2> a name is just a tag
  • [02:58:07] <ds2> heh... a few years ago a friend of mine toyed with the idea of renting part of a hanger for a shop
  • [02:58:09] <ds2> bah
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  • [03:14:07] <djlewis> Did anyone have trouble getting through freenode today? I did.
  • [03:14:32] <djlewis> It even dissapeared from the servers list.
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  • [07:41:36] <_av500_> good morning
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  • [07:54:31] <koen> good morning all
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  • [08:02:18] * koen reads http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
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  • [08:06:38] <janrinze> morning
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  • [08:07:55] <_av500_> koen: hehe, i do the same
  • [08:08:16] <_av500_> coffe and /. in the morning
  • [08:08:40] <koen> oh!
  • [08:08:42] <koen> coffee!
  • [08:08:56] <_av500_> tea actually...
  • [08:08:59] <janrinze> yup.. coffee.. /. .. check mail..
  • [08:09:55] <janrinze> actually /. is my browers homepage ;-)
  • [08:11:08] <janrinze> oh.. and xkcd ofcourse :-)
  • [08:14:33] <koen> janrinze: and sigmund.nl :)
  • [08:15:01] <janrinze> koen: nice :-)
  • [08:15:37] <janrinze> koen: apparently they have a exhibition here in Groningen :-)
  • [08:18:06] <janrinze> koen: did you do the Rorschach-test at sigmund.nl ?
  • [08:19:31] * _av500_ goes strawberry picking now
  • [08:19:36] <janrinze> http://www.sigmund.nl/?p=ror1
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  • [08:20:22] <koen> heh
  • [08:22:50] <janrinze> koen: starting RISC OS with kexec does not work..
  • [08:22:56] <janrinze> :-(
  • [08:23:50] <janrinze> I think i need to see what kexec does to start a kernel. it probably needs some 'magic header' or default offsets.
  • [08:24:26] <janrinze> uBoot can start it if it is packaged as a uImage.
  • [08:26:08] <janrinze> creating the uImage is done like this: 'mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x81000000 -e 0x81000040 -n "RISC OS" -d riscos uImage.bin'
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  • [09:07:58] <mdavey> morning
  • [09:10:12] <janrinze> morning mdavey
  • [09:10:29] <janrinze> koen: did you play with 'sisbit' yet?
  • [09:12:34] <mdavey> I see that fedora and gentoo have recently added lirc 0.8.5. 0.8.4a won't compile for me due to incompatability between lirc and kernel 2.6.29 and later. Any thoughts on way forward?
  • [09:12:35] * _av500_ came back with strawberries and Leffe
  • [09:13:01] <mdavey> _av500_ what is Leffe?
  • [09:13:06] <janrinze> _av500_: isn't it a bit too early for leffe?
  • [09:14:15] <koen> mdavey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leffe
  • [09:14:20] <koen> _av500_: which leffe?
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  • [09:14:58] <mdavey> nice
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  • [09:38:03] <_av500_> blonde
  • [09:38:19] <_av500_> janrinze: i bought, did not consume it yet
  • [09:40:40] <oespirit> my rev c2 board is stuck in an infinite reboot loop with the bad CRC or NAND warning :( (booting from NAND - default. xloader version 1.4.2)
  • [09:47:04] <mdavey> oesprit: did you put a new image in nand?
  • [09:47:15] <mdavey> oespirit ^^
  • [09:48:08] <janrinze> _av500_: aha .. you like to plan in advance ;-)
  • [09:48:23] <oespirit> mdavey: no. Just the default one that comes preloaded
  • [09:49:01] <mdavey> does it boot if you hold down the user button while rebooting?
  • [09:49:49] <oespirit> no
  • [09:51:24] <mdavey> :( Did the board ever work and did you put the image on the sd card or did you buy an sdcard with the image already on?
  • [09:53:56] <oespirit> this is the first time its being booted.
  • [09:54:30] <mdavey> take a look at http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleboardRevCValidation
  • [09:55:43] <mdavey> if that still does not work, you may be unlucky and have a faulty board. If that is the case, see http://beagleboard.org/support/rma
  • [09:58:06] <oespirit> mdavey: ok, will check. thanks
  • [09:59:01] <mdavey> you might also want to try http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery and pop back later in the day for suggestions from others on this channel.
  • [10:03:14] <koen> the bad CRC warning means you don't have a saved u-boot env
  • [10:03:18] <koen> you can safely ignore it
  • [10:07:01] <mdavey> did you put the image on the sd card or did you buy an sdcard with the image already on?
  • [10:07:40] <mdavey> koen: if "git checkout origin/stable/2009 -b stable/2009" is the command to check out the stable branch for beagleboard, what is the equivilent command for unstable?
  • [10:09:31] <oespirit> mdavey:sorry, I overread that qn the first time you asked it. No, I am trying to boot Mer, I put the image on the card
  • [10:09:50] <koen> mdavey: it's the org.openembedded.dev branch
  • [10:10:52] <koen> sakoman: be carefull with dbus 1.2.3, it has a change in policy (default deny instead of default allow), so you need to check each and every dbus using package to supply the appropriate permissions
  • [10:15:39] <mdavey> koen: I'm sorry, I didn't understand your answer. Could you give me the clone and checkout commands?
  • [10:20:05] <oespirit> mdavey : If I am not mistaken , the default 'git clone git://git.openembedded.org/openembedded ' gives you the .dev branch
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  • [10:58:41] <KosiNuss> does anybody here use the ebvbeagle image?
  • [11:01:03] <koen> what's the difference between that and a 'normal' image?
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  • [11:05:09] <_av500_> its blue?
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  • [11:13:39] <KosiNuss> koen: i think its very similar. its based on angstrom, too. but it has more software installed, and starts gpe-dm on startup to login.
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  • [11:14:43] <KosiNuss> the manual says the default user is ebvbeagle/ebvbeagle, but i cant login using it.
  • [11:17:37] <KosiNuss> the login itself does work, but after login the loginscreen appears again. and i cant find any errors in the logs.
  • [11:18:57] <janrinze> KosiNuss: have you tried the console?
  • [11:19:30] <KosiNuss> janrinze: console works fine via minicom
  • [11:19:49] <janrinze> login works then right?
  • [11:20:18] <koen> KosiNuss: try running a standard beagle image on it, I suspect EBV fucked up
  • [11:20:43] <janrinze> shit happens..
  • [11:20:44] <KosiNuss> janrinze: yes
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  • [11:21:33] <janrinze> KosiNuss: like koen said.. the sofware probably is not setup correctly. so gpe-dm has trouble.
  • [11:22:07] <KosiNuss> hm, k. ill try the standart image later.
  • [11:22:10] <janrinze> KosiNuss: could be anything.. debugging a thing like that is not worth it..
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  • [11:22:40] <janrinze> KosiNuss: unless you are an expert at that ;-)
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  • [11:24:13] <KosiNuss> nevertheless, ebv will get mail from me next week. :)
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  • [11:48:39] <janrinze> has anyone had experience with using gzexe for making images smaller?
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  • [12:20:35] <likewise_> gm
  • [12:20:56] <janrinze> morning likewise_
  • [12:24:16] <janrinze> sakoman: your git repo of uboot is that in line with OE ?
  • [12:25:59] <janrinze> koen: how much does OE deviate from git://gitorious.org/u-boot-omap3/mainline.git ?
  • [12:28:44] <Crofton|work> janrinze, look at the oe recipe
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  • [12:36:10] <koen> janrinze: OE != u-boot
  • [12:36:37] <koen> as OE is a buildsystem and u-boot a bootloader, I suspect they deviate a lot
  • [12:37:31] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [12:37:58] <Crofton|work> read the oe recipe for u-boot, that will document any differences from the git repo
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  • [12:44:27] <sakoman> koen: any ideas on this failure? http://www.sakoman.net:8000/public/logs/54729.txt
  • [12:44:40] <sakoman> pull from last night
  • [12:45:36] <koen> sakoman: no, you'd have to ask XorA|gone or timtimred, they have been looking at the openldap recipe
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  • [12:45:44] <likewise_> B7 with latest Angstrom has non-working USB?
  • [12:46:03] <koen> sakoman: http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-bugs/200808/msg00130.html
  • [12:46:12] <koen> likewise_: depends on your uboot
  • [12:46:15] <likewise_> Is there a proc or sysfs entry I can test to detect host mode?
  • [12:48:48] <janrinze> koen: the buildsystem does build uboot..
  • [12:49:55] <Crofton|work> janrinze, http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb
  • [12:52:17] <janrinze> Crofton|work: the build system has many .bb files so it is a bit of searching.. neither do i know how that works so I am pretty much newbie with bitbake ;-)
  • [12:52:49] <janrinze> Crofton|work: koen has already guided me to build uboot .. so that works already.
  • [12:53:03] <Crofton> look at the SRC_URI_beagleboard lines
  • [12:54:38] <janrinze> Crofton: thanks. it makes sense now.
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  • [13:21:06] <janrinze> hmm.. iphone 3.0 .. guess I will have to try that :-)
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  • [13:26:15] <janrinze> tomba: i.i.r.c. you have been busy with PM for the OMAP3?
  • [13:26:54] <djlewis> good morning
  • [13:27:21] <javaJake> Morning
  • [13:28:25] <janrinze> morning djlewis
  • [13:30:53] <janrinze> any iphone users here?
  • [13:31:00] <koen> janrinze: yeah
  • [13:31:32] <janrinze> koen: did you upgrade to 3.0?
  • [13:31:42] <koen> janrinze: if you want tethering visit http://help.benm.at on your iphone
  • [13:31:43] <koen> janrinze: yes
  • [13:32:00] <janrinze> koen: redsn0w or pawnage?
  • [13:32:36] <janrinze> koen: on 2.2 i did pwnge..
  • [13:32:40] <koen> the pwn thing didn't work for my 2.2 upgrade, so I'm running stock firmware
  • [13:32:55] <janrinze> koen: so no ssh for you?
  • [13:33:21] <koen> correct
  • [13:33:31] <koen> at least I have tethering now :)
  • [13:34:49] <janrinze> koen: tethering sounds great. looks like the website you referred to may have changed a bit..
  • [13:37:09] <janrinze> ok.. will try redsn0w :-)
  • [13:40:11] <koen> janrinze: you need to visit it on the iphone, otherwise you'll get a german blogpost
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  • [13:41:36] <janrinze> koen: right.. that is what i got :-)
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  • [13:58:13] <janrinze> the sun has finally come out today in Groningen :-)
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  • [14:00:23] <Crofton> koen, ping
  • [14:00:59] <Crofton> export USB_LIBS="-L${WORKDIR}/libusb-0.1.12/.libs/ -l:libusb-gnur.a"
  • [14:01:13] <Crofton> I am building something that uses libusrp
  • [14:01:39] <Crofton> and it is trying to link against the -l:libusb-gnur.a line also
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  • [14:10:11] <janrinze> koen: do you know why MUSB is used for OTG?
  • [14:16:57] <likewise_> Crofton: I would expect "-lusb-gnur.a" there...
  • [14:17:16] <likewise_> or "-static -lusb-gnur" even
  • [14:18:49] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:19:07] <Crofton> the headache is that lib was used to build the lib I am really linking to
  • [14:19:17] <Crofton> I can't work out how it appears in the line
  • [14:19:34] <Crofton> it was a static lib used to create another lib
  • [14:20:11] <Crofton> readelf does not see the library in the one I am linking to
  • [14:20:26] <Crofton> it is like it is using ESP or something
  • [14:20:34] * mru suspects libtool
  • [14:20:45] <mru> always blame libtool
  • [14:20:49] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:21:05] <Crofton> but I can't figure out how libtool could know about this
  • [14:21:21] <mru> libtool doesn't know, it invents
  • [14:21:26] <Crofton> since we built the shared library by linking the problem one to it statically
  • [14:21:31] <Crofton> ah
  • [14:21:41] <Crofton> but it invented soemthing that really does exist
  • [14:21:53] <mru> are there any .la files around?
  • [14:21:56] <Crofton> but is statically linked so it can go away
  • [14:22:17] <Crofton> in the recipe that build the .so I am linking to
  • [14:22:38] <mru> what's with the -l:libusb-gnur.a anyway?
  • [14:22:45] <mru> is the lib called lib:libusb-gnur.a?
  • [14:22:51] <mru> is the lib called lib:libusb-gnur.a.a ?
  • [14:23:01] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:23:11] <mru> weird?
  • [14:23:13] <Crofton> that is a static libusb-01.12
  • [14:23:15] <Crofton> right
  • [14:23:17] <Crofton> weird
  • [14:25:13] <sakoman> hmm . . . gamin breaks on a clean build too
  • [14:25:29] * sakoman hates the first build after a pull :-(
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  • [14:36:01] <koen> Crofton: I think we should move the static libusb stuff to a seperate recipe
  • [14:36:07] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:36:13] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:36:15] <koen> Crofton: option b is to sed out the offending flags from your app
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  • [14:36:33] <Crofton> the problem is they do not appear in the makefiles
  • [14:36:42] <koen> it's actually a bug in gnuradio, gr doesn't account for statically linking some libs
  • [14:36:45] <Crofton> libtool manages to find out about the librrary
  • [14:36:51] <koen> Crofton: check the .la and .pc files
  • [14:36:53] <Crofton> via means I cannot fathim
  • [14:36:58] <Crofton> fathom
  • [14:37:00] <Crofton> yeah
  • [14:37:11] <Crofton> I'm going to look in a few minutes
  • [14:37:26] <koen> if it's in those, add a do_compile_append() { sed s:flags:begone!:g *.pc *.la}
  • [14:38:21] <Crofton> v
  • [14:38:23] <Crofton> http://pastebin.com/m48c2ebb5
  • [14:38:34] <Crofton> -lusrp expands to the offending construct
  • [14:38:54] <Crofton> I know about the -lusb and can deal with it, that run had it in
  • [14:39:05] <Crofton> anyway, I'll try loking harder in a bit
  • [14:44:19] <janrinze> :-) iPhone 3.0.
  • [14:50:19] <Crofton> koen, why do we end up with armv7a-linux/ and armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ in staging?
  • [14:51:53] <Crofton> found it
  • [14:51:58] <Crofton> in the .la file
  • [14:52:38] <Crofton> ok, need to update gr to hack that out before it gets staged
  • [14:56:01] <koen> Crofton: bugs
  • [14:56:46] <Crofton> rofl
  • [14:56:53] <Crofton> I have the softrocks
  • [14:56:58] <Crofton> but they are kits :)
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  • [14:57:18] <koen> Crofton: the have flashing leds and cruisecontrol?
  • [14:57:29] <Crofton> no :)
  • [14:57:30] <koen> o wait, that would be kitts
  • [14:57:36] <Crofton> how is your sodlering?
  • [14:57:41] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:57:45] <Crofton> soldering
  • [14:58:48] <koen> I try to convince likewise_ to do it :)
  • [14:58:58] <koen> he swapped the ram chips on my avr32 board
  • [14:59:15] <Crofton> heh
  • [14:59:27] <Crofton> I do not think I will have time to assemble before I leave
  • [14:59:38] <Crofton> so you will get kits
  • [15:00:11] <Crofton> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/softrock40 has the construction docs :)
  • [15:01:04] <likewise_> I'm convinced. --- Now, what has to be soldered? :-)
  • [15:01:26] <Crofton> see previous link
  • [15:02:10] <likewise_> only the antenna stuff looks a bit scary, what are the 3 winds?
  • [15:02:51] <Crofton> probably strain relief
  • [15:03:04] <likewise_> so not important to reception quality
  • [15:03:14] <Crofton> no
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  • [15:03:57] <koen> that picture looks like it might be doable with my 15W weller
  • [15:04:03] <Crofton> yeah
  • [15:04:28] <Crofton> just have to be careful not to create bridges
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  • [15:05:16] <likewise_> sure, koen can do that. From Angstrom to Ampere isn't such a big step.
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  • [15:26:28] <Crofton> sed -i s:'-l:libusb-gnur.a':'':g ${S}/usrp/host/lib/legacy/libusrp.la
  • [15:27:03] <Crofton> what's wrong with this line?
  • [15:38:42] <JoeSchmo> -l:
  • [15:38:49] <JoeSchmo> you used : as your delimiter
  • [15:39:01] <Crofton> doh
  • [15:39:03] <Crofton> thanks
  • [15:39:04] <JoeSchmo> :)
  • [15:39:06] <JoeSchmo> ye
  • [15:39:07] <Crofton> I am blind
  • [15:39:10] <JoeSchmo> s/ye/yw/
  • [15:39:23] <JoeSchmo> tbh, i had to look at it twice to notice it
  • [15:40:00] <Crofton> I'm used to using : because normally we are messing with paths
  • [15:41:52] <koen> yeah
  • [15:41:59] <koen> s,foo,bar, would work as well
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  • [15:42:03] <JoeSchmo> yea, i use % quite a bit of the time
  • [15:42:13] <janrinze> morning.
  • [15:44:27] <koen> sed -i -e s,-l:libusb-gnur.a,,g ${S}/usrp/host/lib/legacy/libusrp.la should work
  • [15:45:01] <koen> Crofton: alternatively you can tell the makefile to not put USB_FLAGS into libusrp.la
  • [15:45:37] <Crofton> how would you do that?
  • [15:47:08] <mru> koen: rm *.la usually works very well indeed
  • [16:03:31] <mdavey> kinda OT, but anyone on here had to take prototype pcbs on an international flight before?
  • [16:03:57] <Crofton> I've carried Beagles and overos to .eu from .us without a hassle
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  • [16:04:40] <mdavey> did you take the in hand luggage or put them in the hold? Did you take a covering letter with you or take any additional precautions?
  • [16:04:46] <Crofton> no
  • [16:04:51] <Crofton> just carreid them whereever
  • [16:04:57] <Crofton> I think in checked bag
  • [16:06:04] <mdavey> I've taken a couple of prototype to the US and back again about 10 years ago, but for the life of me I don't recall if I put them in carry-on or the hold. I think carry-on but I really don't recall.
  • [16:06:05] <Crofton> last year I took a bunch of cables and misc Zaurus' stuff to .eu
  • [16:06:17] <Crofton> I wouldn't worry about it
  • [16:06:28] <Crofton> just make sure they aren't labeled with anything funny
  • [16:07:44] <mru> I've carried weird stuff on planes many times
  • [16:07:55] <mru> occasionally they'll ask to look in the bag
  • [16:08:06] <koen> mru: yeah, deleting *.la files works
  • [16:08:21] <koen> I suspect we don't need libtool in this day and age
  • [16:08:29] <mru> it was never needed
  • [16:08:47] <mdavey> mru, Crofton: thanks - feel better already!
  • [16:09:01] <mru> to the extent the problem it attempts to solve even exists, there are far better ways
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  • [16:10:17] * koen met the autotools author
  • [16:10:31] * mru lends koen the shotgun
  • [16:10:42] <koen> he broke his promis
  • [16:10:47] <mru> now we just need a time machine
  • [16:10:59] <mru> what'd he promise?
  • [16:10:59] <koen> if we got gnash to build in OE he'd fix every autotools problem we'd encounter
  • [16:11:05] <koen> (he works on gnash as well)
  • [16:11:07] <mru> rm auto* ?
  • [16:11:19] <mru> the guy in the hat?
  • [16:11:55] <koen> iirc he was wearing a black hat
  • [16:12:29] <Crofton> yeah
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  • [16:33:12] * djlewis got his weather wind instruments cleaned and trucks fuel filter replaced.
  • [16:34:36] <djlewis> Crofton: I was all ready to order a SoftRock40 which is no longer available.
  • [16:35:20] <djlewis> tried to register at hamsdr.com for upadte but registration hangs.
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  • [16:46:23] <djlewis> ok, finally got registered at hamsdr.com.
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  • [16:59:21] <Animule> djlewis: skyporn?
  • [17:04:06] <Crofton> djlewis, I just got one
  • [17:06:30] <Crofton> sed'ing it out of the .la files after compiling is not fixing what gets staged
  • [17:11:03] <koen> Crofton: did you do -c clean ; -c populate_staging?
  • [17:11:53] <koen> Crofton: it's in libgnuradio-usrp.la as well, btw
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  • [17:15:59] <Crofton> bitbake -c clean gnuradio; bitbake gnuradio; bitbake -c clean openbts; bitbake openbts
  • [17:18:04] <ds2> AH ha,,, there is 2 of them
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  • [17:21:31] <djlewis> crofton, v4 or v5? projects page doesn't show v5 shipped.
  • [17:22:13] <djlewis> and, were you on a long wait list?
  • [17:24:13] <Crofton> no
  • [17:24:19] <Crofton> ordered last week, came today
  • [17:25:07] <Crofton> http://www.kb9yig.com/
  • [17:25:09] <Crofton> wow
  • [17:25:14] <Crofton> I must have the last one ....
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  • [17:27:32] <djlewis> yep, lots of 'check back soon'
  • [17:27:55] * muriani can't wait until Wednesday
  • [17:28:59] <Crofton> What happens on Wednesday?
  • [17:29:47] <muriani> I get my beagleboard :)
  • [17:29:58] <koen> it's still in memphis?
  • [17:30:12] <muriani> it's in kansas now
  • [17:30:43] <koen> http://xkcd.com/281/
  • [17:30:49] <muriani> oho
  • [17:30:51] <muriani> haha
  • [17:30:52] <muriani> right
  • [17:31:06] <muriani> I didn't even have to click the link, that's sad.
  • [17:31:42] <koen> :D
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  • [17:31:46] <javaJake> I did :)
  • [17:32:03] <javaJake> And I lol'ed, 'cause I just went through that torture a week ago
  • [17:32:11] <djlewis> how do you find this stuff :-D
  • [17:32:40] <Crofton> http://xkcd.com/599/
  • [17:32:46] <javaJake> djlewis: xkcd is THE geek's comic
  • [17:32:55] <djlewis> oh.
  • [17:32:56] <javaJake> djlewis: and the site has a search function ;)
  • [17:32:58] <muriani> updates monday, wed, friday
  • [17:32:59] <mru> djlewis: we've read them all
  • [17:33:32] <muriani> hell, I have an app on my phone that grabs the latest one, and the alt text as well
  • [17:34:02] <muriani> it'll also go grab a random one too, makes for fun timewasting
  • [17:34:59] <koen> Crofton: I suspect that comic is about the erd??s number, but I'm not sure
  • [17:35:05] <mru> heh, I just chanced upon 481
  • [17:35:12] <mru> koen: yeah, it's got to be
  • [17:35:18] <muriani> the most recent one is about the erdos number, yes
  • [17:35:24] <Crofton> yes
  • [17:35:26] <Crofton> :)
  • [17:35:39] <mru> there's a similar number for actors, films and kevin bacon
  • [17:35:52] <muriani> 6 degrees of seperation, yes
  • [17:36:17] <mru> probably a bit more in this case
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  • [17:36:34] <mru> if you've co-authored a paper with Erd??s, your Erd??s number is 1
  • [17:36:42] <mru> and so on
  • [17:37:05] <mru> since most people have published no papers at all...
  • [17:37:05] <Crofton> My cousin has an Erdos number of 2
  • [17:37:20] * koen wonders
  • [17:37:33] <mru> my brother probably has < infinity
  • [17:37:45] <mru> by virtue of having published some papers
  • [17:37:46] <koen> seeing how much get published, I suspect my erdos number is in the double digits, not triple
  • [17:37:59] <mru> koen: have you published anything at all?
  • [17:38:02] <koen> yes
  • [17:38:04] <koen> 1 paper :)
  • [17:38:11] <mru> which journal?
  • [17:40:09] <javaJake> His ;P
  • [17:40:29] <Crofton> even with populate staging, I have crap in the .la file
  • [17:41:18] <koen> mru: signal processing conference, not a journal
  • [17:41:23] <mru> koen: regardless of how much gets published, the average erd??s number of people will be increasing
  • [17:41:28] <mru> koen: then it doesn't count
  • [17:41:32] <koen> :)
  • [17:41:46] <mru> iirc it's supposed to be a peer-reviewed journal
  • [17:42:14] <koen> we could pull a merck
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  • [17:44:33] <koen> Crofton: if you do -c compile -f and inspect the .la files in ${S} do they still have the -l:libusb-gnur?
  • [17:44:55] <Crofton> they are ok
  • [17:45:05] <julian__> hi. i am looking at using the BB running a Linux OS in a museum context with external access to a lot of HD content.
  • [17:45:30] <julian__> what size can oi go up to with the BB and video? what bitrate guarantees 24fps?
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  • [17:45:40] <koen> 2048x2048
  • [17:45:49] <julian__> koen: that large?
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  • [17:45:57] <julian__> wow
  • [17:45:59] <muriani> It can display that res, yes.
  • [17:46:09] <muriani> but you're not getting 24fps video at that res.
  • [17:46:10] <julian__> at 24fps, HD video?
  • [17:46:13] <julian__> right..
  • [17:46:32] <julian__> muriani: what's a safe upper limit to get good quality content on the BB for public use?
  • [17:46:41] <muriani> That is a good question.
  • [17:46:56] <muriani> Unfortunately, there aren't really any clear answers that I know of
  • [17:47:00] <koen> Crofton: if you manually rm the .la files from staging, what happens then?
  • [17:47:06] <julian__> muriani: ok
  • [17:47:11] <koen> muriani: it's all in the TRM
  • [17:47:16] <muriani> the target is 1280x720 video, of course
  • [17:47:34] <muriani> TRM?
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  • [17:48:08] <koen> spruf98b.pdf, the technical reference manual
  • [17:48:12] <julian__> muriani: koen: could i get 1024x576 at 24fps at a good bitrate using Angstrom and the omap.videomode boot argument?
  • [17:48:45] <julian__> w/SGX module
  • [17:48:45] * koen is using 1280x864@60
  • [17:49:01] * julian__ rubs eyes
  • [17:49:05] <koen> the sgx has nothing to do with resolution
  • [17:49:29] <julian__> koen: i've only used it with opengl related things. was considering using mplayer with -vo gl
  • [17:49:44] <muriani> You can output pretty much whatever res you want, the issue is having the computing power to decode video of that resolution
  • [17:49:49] <koen> you only use the sgx if you want stuff to go slower
  • [17:49:54] <muriani> heh
  • [17:49:57] <julian__> i see..
  • [17:50:03] <koen> unless it's quake3
  • [17:50:05] <julian__> koen: is there a page documenting the procedure to get 1280x864@60?
  • [17:50:17] <koen> but that's pretty much the only exception
  • [17:50:23] <julian__> noted
  • [17:51:05] <koen> omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x864MR-16@60
  • [17:51:07] <mru> koen: did imagination use quake3 for testing?
  • [17:51:11] <koen> in 2.6.29
  • [17:51:20] <julian__> 2.6.29 cheers.
  • [17:51:28] <julian__> i'm on 2.6.28 here with test boards.
  • [17:51:30] <koen> mru: no, put it's the only thing I know about that benefits from the sgx
  • [17:51:33] <julian__> koen: thankyou..
  • [17:51:59] <julian__> koen: a final thing, was that on Angstrom or other distribution?
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  • [17:52:48] <koen> are there other distributions?
  • [17:53:01] <janrinze> koen: ...
  • [17:53:46] <julian__> koen: in ancient times, when strange winged beasts hunted men for sport.
  • [17:54:29] <janrinze> julian__: and women got dragged by their long hair ... eeh.. oh sorry.. ;-)
  • [17:54:32] <julian__> one being called :Ubuntu" or similar..
  • [17:54:49] <koen> does ubuntu do anything usefull on beagle?
  • [17:54:51] <julian__> janrinze: no matter.. it's a difficult one to let fly, indeed..
  • [17:54:55] <koen> expect OOMing and being slow?
  • [17:55:00] <mru> koen: does ubuntu do anything useful?
  • [17:55:20] <julian__> koen: i don't know. i was thinking about giving it a try since they explicitly support ARMv7 now.
  • [17:55:28] <koen> mru: not on my workstation, I'm forced to use it as a headless box due to ubuntu breaking X every week
  • [17:55:36] <julian__> Debian generalises their ARM targets, a shame.
  • [17:55:58] <koen> julian__: ubuntu suffers from the same bug in dpkg
  • [17:56:04] <janrinze> koen: ditto.. i switched to Debian 5.0 because of that..
  • [17:56:06] <julian__> (i would prefer Debian over Angstrom)
  • [17:56:15] <mru> gentoo ftw
  • [17:56:17] <koen> except that ubuntu doesn't care for backward compat
  • [17:56:46] <janrinze> koen: compatabilliwhat? ;-)
  • [17:57:09] <julian__> i have a few machines running Ubuntu but i've used Debian for my daily bread for close to a decade now.
  • [17:57:10] <koen> dpkg says you are "arm" "armel" or "armeb"
  • [17:57:22] <julian__> Ubuntu is doing well, for the most part. i hope it does run well on the BB..
  • [17:58:12] <julian__> (gnome and KDE not permitting, i dearly hope)
  • [17:58:18] <janrinze> julian__: i run debian on my BB .. Sid has omap3 xserver in there..
  • [17:58:28] <julian__> it does?
  • [17:58:34] <julian__> supeur
  • [17:58:57] <janrinze> julian__: helps a little when you run GNOME ;-)
  • [17:59:23] <julian__> janrinze: hmm.. often the case. i prefer to work without a DE however..
  • [17:59:42] <janrinze> julian__: fine.. I like desktops :-)
  • [17:59:50] <Crofton> hmm
  • [17:59:55] <Crofton> deleting it helps
  • [18:00:06] <julian__> janrinze: i think they are a dead metaphor.. but to each their own madness!
  • [18:00:07] * Crofton notes mru already suggested this .....
  • [18:01:20] <julian__> janrinze: was getting Debian on the BB relatively painless? any major snags i might want to know about?
  • [18:01:32] <mru> julian__: my physical desk hosts a computer... where is the "computer" on the gnome "desktop"?
  • [18:01:44] <janrinze> well.. installing it was the long wait.. took me 24 hours or so..
  • [18:02:30] <janrinze> Actually it has an icon with 'Computer' on the desktop ;-)
  • [18:02:30] <julian__> mru: yes. it's ridiculous. moreso, my computer is sometimes not even on a desk, making the metaphor even more remote.
  • [18:03:35] <mru> julian__: do they have a "laptop environment" for laptops?
  • [18:03:54] <janrinze> mru: your lap?
  • [18:04:13] <julian__> janrinze: i teach across platforms fairly often. it's remarkable how many times i've had to explain, to otherwise quite smart OS X users, that the 'desktop' is actually on the 'Hard Drive', not the other way around. few believe me until i pull up the abomination apple users call the Terminal.
  • [18:04:42] <julian__> mru: they ought to. and what about phones? a hand-top?
  • [18:05:06] <janrinze> julian__: don't confuse people that way.. the desktop is on the screen.. the software for the desktop resides on the harddrive..
  • [18:05:39] <mru> the windows are on the screen
  • [18:05:52] <julian__> janrinze: that's all very well until students lose files and only know how to find them using a recursive garden path of icon clicking.
  • [18:06:05] <janrinze> mru: right.. and the desktop is the place where the windows are put on top of..
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  • [18:06:46] <julian__> janrinze: secondly, OSX users have a huge icon on the desktop that says "Hard Drive"
  • [18:06:49] <julian__> it's really pretty weird.
  • [18:06:55] <janrinze> julian__: it is not their fault..
  • [18:06:59] <julian__> indeed
  • [18:07:05] <mru> they chose to use it
  • [18:07:09] <mru> so it's their fault
  • [18:07:21] <janrinze> the metaphores used on computers are mainly archaic..
  • [18:07:39] <janrinze> 'files' 'folders' drives..
  • [18:07:54] <mru> except the mouse metaphor ;-)
  • [18:08:09] <janrinze> really OS-es are built to emulate a word of folder cabinets with drawers and such :-)
  • [18:08:20] <mru> well, "file" is just an arbitrary name given to a named sequence of bytes
  • [18:08:30] <janrinze> mru: yep the mouse is even weirder..
  • [18:08:54] <mru> "folder" is an abomination that came with win95
  • [18:08:55] <janrinze> mru: nope, files are used long before computers..
  • [18:09:02] <mru> the real name is "directory"
  • [18:09:08] <julian__> janrinze: the concern is that they are distancing the average computer user from the technology which they use.
  • [18:09:11] <mru> I know where the name "file" came from
  • [18:09:16] <mru> but it's just a name
  • [18:09:20] <julian__> this is fine, up until the point they are exploited and/or restrained due to them not being about to use a computer outside of a metaphorical relationship
  • [18:09:25] <janrinze> mru: folder is same thing.. comes from large office storage
  • [18:09:35] <mru> I know where they got the name
  • [18:09:38] <mru> but why change it?
  • [18:09:48] <mru> directory was already well-established
  • [18:10:06] <janrinze> mru: really.. these names are confusing.. what if you would call MSword a typewriter
  • [18:10:24] <julian__> it's part of a suite called "Office"
  • [18:10:36] <janrinze> most students never have seen a typewriter!!
  • [18:10:37] <julian__> it might as well be called a typewriter..
  • [18:10:54] <janrinze> you should take them to a museum!
  • [18:10:55] <mru> "office" makes some kind of sense... it's a collection of apps typically used in an office
  • [18:11:01] <julian__> janrinze: yet have they seen a leather-clad desk with fountain-pen, as is the Gnome desktop icon?
  • [18:11:03] <mru> rather than, say, airplanes
  • [18:11:14] <julian__> hehe
  • [18:11:43] <mru> note that I am not endorsing any use of the "office" set of apps
  • [18:11:45] <janrinze> julian__: maybe in a movie once ;-)
  • [18:12:22] <julian__> likely..
  • [18:12:56] <janrinze> ok.. so much for the metaphores. :-)
  • [18:13:28] <janrinze> would be nice to have the entire paradigm thrown overboard ..
  • [18:14:03] <janrinze> something like OOP did for developers.
  • [18:14:18] <julian__> it would, but i'm sure we'll be throwing files into the paper trashcan and navigating the internet, as though it were space, for years to come.
  • [18:14:58] <janrinze> julian__: only us oldies.. my nice of 6 has an entirely different view on that..
  • [18:15:07] <janrinze> nice->niece
  • [18:15:08] <julian__> janrinze: good to hear.
  • [18:15:25] <janrinze> she simply knows the icons and what they do..
  • [18:15:40] <janrinze> they learn by doing..
  • [18:15:48] <mru> there are no icons on my computer
  • [18:16:04] <janrinze> mru: are you 6?
  • [18:16:15] <julian__> janrinze: try teaching her the CLI one day. i've taught teenagers that absolutely loved getting to know the bash. one girl said she always hated computers as she "never knew what they were really doing". she took to the shell..
  • [18:16:23] <muriani> There weren't any icons on my computer when I was 6...
  • [18:16:46] <julian__> hehe
  • [18:16:54] <julian__> muriani: well said. my case also
  • [18:17:01] <janrinze> muriani: there weren't any computers when i was 6 .. (well.. not in 200 miles)
  • [18:17:01] <muriani> I couldn't relly double-click LOAD"*",8,1
  • [18:17:18] <julian__> indeed
  • [18:17:59] <janrinze> muriani: i started with typing hex.. that would get a program started..
  • [18:18:12] <janrinze> just a 20 key keypad..
  • [18:18:45] <mru> in uni they had us use a machine controlled by 9 bistable switches
  • [18:18:49] <janrinze> am I trying to convince either of you to get back to programming assembler in hex??
  • [18:18:54] <mru> 8 were address/data, the 9th was the clock
  • [18:19:21] <mru> I did some programming in hex less than a month ago
  • [18:19:49] <janrinze> mru: the uni still has a course of 4 weeks for hex based emulators..
  • [18:19:51] <mru> and I do manual stack unwinding as a matter of routine
  • [18:20:36] <julian__> crikey
  • [18:20:39] <janrinze> mru: point is, students get to learn the basics about machinecode..
  • [18:20:50] <mru> we had to write our own microcode
  • [18:20:59] <mru> and load it using said switches
  • [18:21:01] <janrinze> mru: that is microcode..
  • [18:21:23] <mru> then we had to load the app written in the ISA implemented by the microcode
  • [18:21:42] <janrinze> VHDL too?
  • [18:21:49] <mru> never took that class
  • [18:22:02] <janrinze> how did you validate the microcode?
  • [18:22:15] <mru> by looking at the output LEDs
  • [18:22:21] <janrinze> of what?
  • [18:22:41] <mru> they were controlled by the programme
  • [18:22:52] <mru> if everything was fine, they'd turn on an off as expected
  • [18:22:55] <janrinze> but shurely the leds were on a PCB?
  • [18:23:09] <mru> probably, yes
  • [18:23:18] <janrinze> not lying aroud.. right?
  • [18:23:29] <mru> so?
  • [18:23:39] <muriani> it's generally assumed they're part of the computer
  • [18:23:51] <janrinze> well.. LEDS don';t go on and off by them selves.. chips involved?
  • [18:24:11] <mru> there was an alu chip, a register file, an sram chip, and some more
  • [18:24:25] <mru> mostly 74xx logic
  • [18:24:28] <janrinze> muriani: when writing microcode there needs to be more HW
  • [18:24:48] <janrinze> mru: nice.. have done that too.. way back.
  • [18:24:57] <mru> it was a very small 8-bit processor built from 74 logic
  • [18:25:21] <janrinze> mru: there seem tobe people now who are still involved with that..
  • [18:25:22] <mru> there was no strict validation of anything
  • [18:25:27] <mru> that was outside the scope of the course
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  • [18:25:49] <janrinze> mru: but microcode would have been unnecesary.. hardwiring would be sufficient..
  • [18:25:49] <mru> it was still very educational
  • [18:26:03] <mru> if the aim is to teach the concept of microcode...
  • [18:26:09] <mru> among other things
  • [18:26:13] <janrinze> assembler or microcode..?
  • [18:26:18] <mru> both
  • [18:26:55] <janrinze> ok.. interesting.. I always have seem microcode as a silly mistake in computing ;-)
  • [18:27:10] <janrinze> but Intel seems to love it..
  • [18:27:10] <mru> they also taught us things like optimal instruction scheduling on a pipelined cpu
  • [18:27:24] <mru> modern arm chips have some microcode
  • [18:27:33] <janrinze> mru: ARm is hardwired..
  • [18:27:44] <mru> a few instructions are microcoded
  • [18:27:50] <janrinze> like?
  • [18:28:12] <mru> not sure
  • [18:28:34] <mru> quite a few translate into pairs internally
  • [18:28:41] <janrinze> there is no microcode.. that is why ARM is so fast and power efficient..
  • [18:28:51] <mru> ldesnogu: ping
  • [18:29:09] <janrinze> mru: no paired instructions either..
  • [18:29:09] <mru> probably not here...
  • [18:29:21] <mru> look, I *know* this is how they work
  • [18:29:35] <janrinze> ok.. i only wonder..
  • [18:29:37] <mru> arm7 and the like didn't have microcode at all
  • [18:29:41] <mru> cortex-a8 has a little
  • [18:30:15] <janrinze> for what? because ARMv7 is not that dissimilar from ARMv4 ..
  • [18:30:42] <mru> many of the 128-bit neon instructions are executed as pairs of 64-bit instructions
  • [18:30:58] <janrinze> NEON is a coprocessor..
  • [18:31:06] <mru> it's part of armv7 spec
  • [18:31:15] <janrinze> not ARM.. NEON
  • [18:31:33] <mru> it's in the ARM architecture reference manual at least
  • [18:31:40] <janrinze> VFP is not ARM either.. and the DSP is not ARM either.
  • [18:31:52] <mru> I don't give a fuck what you want to believe
  • [18:32:05] <mru> but I do find you quite annoying
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  • [18:32:25] <mdavey> nooooooooooooooooooooooo! :(
  • [18:32:32] <mru> how about you show us something youv actually done for a change?
  • [18:32:59] <mru> gtg, back later tonight or tomorrow
  • [18:33:31] <mdavey> disk I/O error
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  • [18:36:22] <muriani> doh
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  • [19:05:43] * mdavey hopes 1tb will be big enough
  • [19:07:22] <janrinze> mdavey: to compile the entire OE angstrom distrib?
  • [19:07:59] <janrinze> mdavey: i would surely hope ;-)
  • [19:08:38] <janrinze> mdavey: also hope you had a bckup of your stuff on the older drive..
  • [19:08:58] <janrinze> oops.. of the older drive..
  • [19:09:01] <mdavey> i did indeed. disk is fine - just full
  • [19:09:22] <janrinze> ok. i have 2TB here.. still not enough ;-)
  • [19:09:28] <mdavey> at some point i will rejig and the 1tb will become my new backup
  • [19:09:58] <janrinze> once you pass 1TB it is hard to go through it to clean it up..
  • [19:10:48] <janrinze> tried.. took me too long and just gave up.. bought an extra 1TB..
  • [19:10:55] <mdavey> once you pass 20GB I find ;)
  • [19:11:04] <janrinze> probably..
  • [19:11:11] <mdavey> its always easier just to buy more :D
  • [19:11:48] <janrinze> i wrote a script once to filter all unique photographs so that i have at least a way to backup my DSLR photos..
  • [19:12:51] <janrinze> it only resulted in having a USB disk filled up too..
  • [19:13:30] <janrinze> wish I had 1TB DVDs ;-)
  • [19:16:04] <janrinze> think I need to work on my communication skills..
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  • [19:21:27] <julian__> hehe
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  • [19:27:07] <janrinze> julian__: what do you use your BB for currently?
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  • [19:37:13] <mdavey_> writing inode tables takes a long time on a 1tb disk
  • [19:37:35] <djlewis> janrinze: several folks could do with bettering their communication skills.
  • [19:37:44] <mdavey_> aye
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  • [19:38:44] <janrinze> djlewis: i prefer to improve myself and learn..
  • [19:39:15] <djlewis> well ya cant improve someone else unless thay let you.
  • [19:39:53] <janrinze> djlewis: never try to change others.. that will only lead to resistance and rejection..
  • [19:40:16] <djlewis> yep, my ex two wives found this out.
  • [19:40:46] <janrinze> djlewis: happens a lot in relationships .. been there..
  • [19:42:12] <janrinze> are there people here who understand the USB driver of the OMAP3?
  • [19:43:08] <djlewis> almost 99 degrees out.
  • [19:43:29] <janrinze> djlewis: fahrenheit?
  • [19:43:41] <djlewis> http://weather.djlewis.us/
  • [19:44:13] <janrinze> minnisota?
  • [19:44:19] <janrinze> oops minnesota?
  • [19:44:25] <djlewis> Arkansas
  • [19:44:32] <janrinze> Aha.. ok..
  • [19:44:49] <djlewis> I dont know why I never put Arkansas on my web site.
  • [19:44:58] <janrinze> Memphis is in Minnesota.. right?
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  • [19:45:13] <djlewis> might be one there too.
  • [19:45:31] <djlewis> Tennesee comes to mind though
  • [19:45:49] <janrinze> well you probably have a 'land-climate' there.. Hot summers, cold winters..
  • [19:46:26] * julian__ is reminded how little he knows of North American geography..
  • [19:46:34] <djlewis> I only live in this state for the land. The weather is not it :-@
  • [19:46:53] <djlewis> lakes, mountains lots of trees...
  • [19:47:13] <janrinze> http://satelliet.weeronline.nl/ this is the netherlands..
  • [19:47:36] <djlewis> heat index 108.9F
  • [19:47:50] <julian__> 40C here in Madrid.. 'yellow alert'.
  • [19:48:14] <janrinze> djlewis: lakes, trees but no mountains here :-)
  • [19:48:20] <djlewis> where is my conversion calc...
  • [19:48:34] <julian__> djlewis: 'man units'
  • [19:48:40] <julian__> (super little app)
  • [19:48:41] <janrinze> djlewis: when will the US finally get a metric system??
  • [19:49:14] <djlewis> my science teacher suggewsted we should be metric back in 64
  • [19:49:20] <janrinze> djlewis: the Ariane rocket crashed due to different standards used ;-)
  • [19:49:21] <julian__> janrinze: when one of their very expensive space missions fails.
  • [19:49:40] <djlewis> my truck is SAE, metric and something else
  • [19:49:41] <janrinze> julian__: exactly :-)
  • [19:49:56] <djlewis> the hubble mirror suffered this too I believe
  • [19:50:24] <janrinze> djlewis: your science teacher was right .. but only by a 100 years or so..
  • [19:50:26] <julian__> "docking the ISS2 in 10, 9, 8 [crash]"
  • [19:50:49] <koen> julian__: you're based in spain?
  • [19:51:01] <djlewis> she was before her time
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  • [19:51:23] <janrinze> djlewis: wasn't there a US president that designated charge the wrong way around?
  • [19:51:36] <julian__> koen: yep.
  • [19:52:16] <djlewis> I am not so good with history. or many other things for that matter :-S probably so
  • [19:52:23] <janrinze> now electrons appear to go from - to + :-)
  • [19:52:53] <janrinze> well .. he did have 50% chance ;-)
  • [19:53:23] <koen> janrinze: there also was a US president that didn't speak english, only dutch
  • [19:53:32] <djlewis> well it looks mostly cloudy in Nederland
  • [19:54:33] <janrinze> koen: cool who was that?
  • [19:54:43] <djlewis> koen, funny...
  • [19:54:48] <janrinze> djlewis: yep .. it is..
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  • [19:54:53] <koen> djlewis: we have phone apps that show you http://buienradar.nl/ when you need it :)
  • [19:55:06] <koen> janrinze: iirc van buren
  • [19:55:15] <janrinze> djlewis: we often need that app :-)
  • [19:55:39] <koen> janrinze: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Van_Buren
  • [19:55:40] <janrinze> koen: I am just bouncing through wikipedia now :-)
  • [19:55:46] <janrinze> LOL..
  • [19:55:56] <koen> "he is also the only president not to have spoken English as a first language, having grown up speaking Dutch"
  • [19:56:05] <julian__> well believe it or not, the dutch climate sounds appealing right about now.
  • [19:56:10] <koen> I was slightly wrong though, english wasn't his 1st language
  • [19:56:48] <janrinze> julian__: the dutch climate is very appealing to academic thinkers..
  • [19:57:04] <koen> janrinze: that van buren dude is also where "O.K." stems from
  • [19:57:06] <janrinze> Descartes moved to the Netherlands because of the weather..
  • [19:57:19] <koen> "Martin Van Buren was born in Kinderhook village, and was known as "Old Kinderhook" which was sometimes abbreviated as "O.K."."
  • [19:57:21] <julian__> the Iberian peninsula's reputation for fine weather is, shall we say, eclipsed around August.
  • [19:57:36] <julian__> no idea why it's so hot in June this year. crazy.
  • [19:57:42] <koen> julian__: I'll be in bcn next weekend enjoying the heat
  • [19:57:46] <janrinze> koen: doesn't Alexander call himself 'van Buren" sometimes??
  • [19:57:50] <mdavey_> http://www.stanwickweather.org.uk/
  • [19:57:50] <julian__> janrinze: the best writing comes from cold climates, apparently.
  • [19:58:01] <mdavey_> I'll be in vermont next week
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  • [19:58:29] <koen> janrinze: yep, when he's doing marathons
  • [19:58:45] <koen> mdavey_: is that were maple syrup is made?
  • [19:59:01] * koen waits for canadians to get angry
  • [19:59:30] <mdavey_> koen: vermont? I dunno actually. It is where Ben & Jerrys is made.
  • [19:59:39] <julian__> hehe
  • [19:59:52] <mdavey_> yea I always assumed it was canada also
  • [19:59:52] <djlewis> mdavey_: has his priorities straight :)
  • [20:00:03] <janrinze> LOL..
  • [20:00:24] <julian__> i was in Toronto a month ago - the maple syrup there lives up to its mythic reputation.
  • [20:00:30] <djlewis> yep them maple trees in vermont put out the maple sap.
  • [20:00:47] <mdavey_> also has the shortest 4th july parade.
  • [20:01:17] <mdavey_> http://www.vermontmaple.org/
  • [20:02:01] <djlewis> I have a jug of "puermont, Product of Canadare maple syrup, Distributed by Spring Tree Corp V
  • [20:02:16] <janrinze> koen: sad we only get fireworks once a year... 4th july or 14 july is not on our agendas
  • [20:02:20] <djlewis> puermont? = pure maple syrup
  • [20:02:22] <koen> I think the maple syrup in my fridge is from vermont
  • [20:02:45] <koen> janrinze: 4th of july fireworks are awesome
  • [20:02:52] <djlewis> my snetence got transposed, didnt make sense
  • [20:02:57] <koen> janrinze: just don't try to travel on the 3rd :)
  • [20:03:18] <janrinze> koen: will keep that in mind if i go there..
  • [20:03:21] <mdavey_> does bitbake make masses of files during a build and then tidy up again at the end of something? stable took no time to move over to the new drive - dev is taking an age
  • [20:03:37] * mdavey_ is wondering if he pulled dev correctly
  • [20:03:40] <koen> I did miami -> key west by car on the 3rd
  • [20:03:58] <djlewis> SpringTree Pure Maple Syrup Product of Canada, distributed from Vermont. there.
  • [20:04:02] <janrinze> mdavey_: makes masses: yes ; cleans up: nope..
  • [20:04:05] <koen> mdavey_: INHERIT += "rm_work" in local.conf should delete sources once they are compiled
  • [20:05:24] <janrinze> janrinze@debian50:~$ du -ks /OE (still waiting..)
  • [20:05:35] <janrinze> 3059896 /OE
  • [20:05:35] <janrinze> janrinze@debian50:~$
  • [20:05:38] <mdavey_> minor panic there - cd'd to new dir and did an ls - dir was empty
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  • [20:05:54] <mdavey_> realised I was looking at the wrong partition
  • [20:06:08] <muriani> heh
  • [20:06:08] * mdavey_ is a muppet - shouldn't be allowed near computers
  • [20:06:22] <janrinze> 3GB and not yet even built everything..
  • [20:07:06] <janrinze> hmm..20GB left on the drive.. not good.
  • [20:07:18] <djlewis> and how big is the initial dnload?
  • [20:07:30] <janrinze> dunno.. big i guess.
  • [20:07:44] <janrinze> but it does compiling during the downloads :-)
  • [20:08:14] <janrinze> my guess is, don't try this on the beagleboard..
  • [20:08:16] <djlewis> well 30G is recommended
  • [20:08:46] <janrinze> hmm.. they should have a bitbake for Debian ;-)
  • [20:08:50] <djlewis> when I get all the movies off my 250G HD I'll give it a try
  • [20:09:35] <djlewis> thought about leaving them on it and letting Beagle play them to tv.
  • [20:09:46] <janrinze> hmm.. 150 GB of 2TB free.. drat!
  • [20:10:01] <djlewis> good greaf man!
  • [20:10:20] <djlewis> grief...
  • [20:10:25] <janrinze> like i said.. once your over 1TB it becomes unstoppable..
  • [20:11:11] <djlewis> i know a guy that copies lots of movies and has a rack of 1T's, no not raid
  • [20:11:12] <janrinze> i had a disk of 500MB which made 'strange sounds' so i hurried to copy it to a new 1TB disk..
  • [20:11:30] <djlewis> quite a jump
  • [20:11:33] <janrinze> eeh.. 500GB of course..
  • [20:12:01] <julian__> djlewis: collecting movies is nothing compared to making them. 1TB is bare minimum on a video editing workstation these days.
  • [20:12:03] <janrinze> so when i ditched XP i copied that disk to..
  • [20:12:15] <djlewis> is this what you do?
  • [20:12:23] <janrinze> me?
  • [20:12:28] <djlewis> julian_
  • [20:12:43] <julian__> djlewis: i make "interactive art" with computers. i cut a lot of video as a part of it, on Linux systems.
  • [20:12:50] <djlewis> cool,
  • [20:13:00] <janrinze> nice! got a webpage with demo's?
  • [20:13:02] <julian__> documentation etc..
  • [20:13:10] <djlewis> I have a strong, now obsolete ntsc video background
  • [20:13:15] <julian__> hmm.. i'll post a couple of my last two projects.
  • [20:13:57] <julian__> http://vimeo.com/3464018
  • [20:14:10] <julian__> http://vimeo.com/1320756
  • [20:14:50] <julian__> here's something i've been trying to fit onto the beagle board: http://vimeo.com/3957693
  • [20:15:15] <julian__> the second clip is a little more 'fun'.
  • [20:15:38] <muriani> Aaah, AR
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  • [20:15:50] <janrinze> julian__: in real-time on the BB?
  • [20:16:17] <julian__> janrinze: yes, but only at 320x240@10-12fps currently
  • [20:16:28] <djlewis> nice concept julian_
  • [20:16:29] <janrinze> ok.. let me try ;-)
  • [20:16:55] <julian__> djlewis: cheers. i'm aiming to target android on arm later next year..
  • [20:17:07] <julian__> bah, mid year.
  • [20:17:14] <muriani> the second demo is quite nice
  • [20:17:15] <janrinze> i did 25 fps image recognition 640x480 on a 275MHz SA110.. so that code should work on the BB too..
  • [20:18:09] <julian__> janrinze: i'm abstracting over OpenCV which is all Intel, SSE, etc.. not too Arm friendly.
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  • [20:18:20] <janrinze> ps. the image recognition was for an autonomous robot.
  • [20:18:27] <julian__> janrinze: nice.
  • [20:18:39] <janrinze> julian__: doesn't Intel have OpenCV for the PXA processors?
  • [20:18:51] <muriani> yeah, I think someone here was working with OpenCV with a webcam, and it was quite slow.
  • [20:18:51] <julian__> janrinze: i don't know..
  • [20:18:53] * julian__ checks
  • [20:19:02] <muriani> using nearly 100% cpu
  • [20:19:05] <janrinze> http://www.darc.nl/news/news.html
  • [20:19:45] <janrinze> muriani: 100% cpu is 'normal' for such things.. ;-)
  • [20:19:48] <muriani> the environment rendering inside the cubes is very nice
  • [20:20:20] <janrinze> hmm.. I should hack up a demo for the beagleboard..
  • [20:20:39] <julian__> muriani: thanks. i worked hard on them!
  • [20:21:35] <muriani> I'm not quite gonna be workign on direct AR for awhile, mostly just HUD at first
  • [20:21:54] <julian__> janrinze: the images you are using there can be downsampled really quickly.. i'm targetting any planar street advertisement.. quite tricky as involves moving from Fiducial marker theory to Natural Feature Tracking.
  • [20:22:11] <julian__> muriani: a cool area to explore, nonetheless.
  • [20:22:31] <muriani> until we can get some decent+small cameras to mount on some display glasses rather discreetly
  • [20:22:37] <muriani> yeah
  • [20:22:38] <julian__> muriani: relatedly, i bought a couple of HMDs the other day and am really impressed.
  • [20:22:50] <djlewis> what a lot of work julian_ on number two.
  • [20:22:57] <muriani> I'm waiting on the Wrap920 form vuzix
  • [20:23:15] <muriani> julian__: which HMDs? Most I've seen have abysmal FOV.
  • [20:23:17] <julian__> muriani: the vuzix was what i bought. great display..
  • [20:23:22] <muriani> the vr920?
  • [20:23:27] <janrinze> julian__: downsampling is a nono.. it needs to recognise different types of traffic signs
  • [20:23:33] <djlewis> julian__: I am working with openCV on BB now.
  • [20:23:55] <julian__> djlewis: really? i'll be interested to hear your progress..
  • [20:24:07] <muriani> I've been looking at the VR920s for awhile, but the game I wanted to play with them has been discontinued... supposed to go opensource soon though
  • [20:24:10] <julian__> janrinze: right, different than ARTK then..
  • [20:24:18] <janrinze> djlewis: what is the image sampling rate you get?
  • [20:24:20] <koen> djlewis: latest opencv is in OE now
  • [20:24:29] <koen> djlewis: well, trunk of 2 weeks ago
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  • [20:24:40] <djlewis> julian__: about 10fps
  • [20:24:46] <djlewis> 640x480
  • [20:25:03] <janrinze> ok.. does that generate much overhead?
  • [20:25:15] <djlewis> 85 to 80%cpu
  • [20:25:20] <djlewis> 85 to 90
  • [20:25:22] <koen> julian__: which version of the beagle and which version of the sgx sdk are you using?
  • [20:25:45] <janrinze> I used a Netwinder for the robot, that has a hardware video capture .. so i can do memory mapping there..
  • [20:25:59] <julian__> muriani: yes, that's them
  • [20:26:11] <koen> julian__: there also was a guy in here that was using a fork or artoolkit that was much faster
  • [20:26:17] <julian__> djlewis: yes, basic capture is that for me, at best. i can squeeze it up.
  • [20:26:30] <janrinze> djlewis: can't the cam be used under DMA?
  • [20:26:32] <julian__> koen: artoolkit is great, but only for fiducial markers really.
  • [20:26:48] <koen> julian__: yeah, I have it running on my laptop with their demo markers
  • [20:26:51] <koen> julian__: stb4!
  • [20:26:55] <djlewis> i havent tried, not sure howto DMA
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  • [20:27:06] <julian__> koen: studerstube?
  • [20:27:10] <koen> julian__: yes
  • [20:27:11] <julian__> *studierstube
  • [20:27:15] <julian__> yeah that's fast.
  • [20:27:24] <koen> but closed
  • [20:27:28] <julian__> proprietary though, i need source distribution rights with my work.
  • [20:27:48] <koen> julian__: but you have artoolkit working with gles on the beagle?
  • [20:27:55] <janrinze> hmm.. the video capture interface of the OMAP3 should be possible to use.. right?
  • [20:27:56] <julian__> koen: no, not yet..
  • [20:28:07] <julian__> i'd use ARTK+ anyway, which is what i use for levelHead
  • [20:28:13] <julian__> http://julianoliver.com/levelhead
  • [20:28:34] <julian__> (with openscenegraph)
  • [20:28:43] <janrinze> julian__: cool stuff!!
  • [20:28:53] <julian__> cheers!
  • [20:29:37] <djlewis> julian__: about 35fps at 320x240
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  • [20:30:02] <djlewis> I disables video output but no real improvement in fps
  • [20:30:16] <muriani> now see, the cool bit would be seeing it ACTUALLY superimposed on the cube with a pair of AR goggles
  • [20:30:16] <janrinze> julian__: do you run opencv under X or under fbdev?
  • [20:30:28] <julian__> janrinze: under X..
  • [20:30:36] <janrinze> RGB xv overlay?
  • [20:30:37] <julian__> i want to try fbdev though..
  • [20:31:20] <janrinze> julian__: nvidia scrapped RGB xv overlays.. :-(
  • [20:31:24] <julian__> janrinze: i do really want to work with the beagleboard, so this is all stuff i need to get going.
  • [20:31:28] <julian__> janrinze: yeah, too bad..
  • [20:31:43] <julian__> djlewis: that's not bad.. just raw capture, no resize?
  • [20:31:50] <julian__> djlewis: eg cvResize()
  • [20:31:54] <janrinze> according to the OMAP specs and DSS2 RGB overlays should be possible on the BB
  • [20:32:05] <julian__> interesting..
  • [20:32:21] <djlewis> julian, no resize, was running camshiftdemo tracking
  • [20:32:41] <julian__> crikey, how did you get the camshift demo to run that fast?
  • [20:33:09] <djlewis> at 320x200
  • [20:33:32] <djlewis> 320x200 = 35fps, 640x280=85-90fps
  • [20:33:41] <djlewis> 640x480
  • [20:34:05] <janrinze> hmm.. the bigger the faster?
  • [20:34:10] <julian__> 90fps@640x480 on the BB?
  • [20:34:18] <djlewis> od doh, cpu usage.
  • [20:34:25] <julian__> ahh right.
  • [20:34:35] <djlewis> arrgh.. I lost my train of thought againl.
  • [20:34:44] <julian__> cpu usage being high is no problem..
  • [20:35:00] <julian__> but i'm curios. what OS is that on, on the BB.
  • [20:35:08] <julian__> bootargs etc..
  • [20:35:17] <djlewis> I cant get more than 20fps so far with mplayer and webcam
  • [20:35:37] <julian__> well i can't get more than 15, so you're doing better than i!
  • [20:35:39] <lcuk> julian__, :) very nifty!
  • [20:35:58] <julian__> lcuk: cheers!
  • [20:36:04] <janrinze> what kind of desktop res are you guys using?
  • [20:36:16] <koen> djlewis: I seem to get more fps on my webcam at vga resolutions on the beagle with mplayer
  • [20:36:19] <julian__> djlewis: i have the B6 BB
  • [20:36:27] <djlewis> julian__: Angstrom 2.6.29 05182009 from sakoman_
  • [20:36:28] <koen> even when scaled to 1280x864
  • [20:36:36] <julian__> koen: interesting..
  • [20:36:38] <djlewis> revC here
  • [20:36:41] <julian__> other way around here
  • [20:36:51] <janrinze> guess I need a webcam ;-)
  • [20:37:18] <janrinze> the Netwinder had composite video input.. so the old cam won't work here,
  • [20:37:19] <julian__> thing with webcams is you also need to know whether they are auto exposing, automagical stuff..
  • [20:37:47] <janrinze> julian__: they all do.. but some better than others.. ;-)
  • [20:37:53] <julian__> with the uvcvideo compliant camera you can often turn it off, using libwebcam -sometimes tripling your frame rate.
  • [20:38:08] <djlewis> I amusing cheapy Logitech QuickCam Chat model
  • [20:38:09] <julian__> janrinze: yep
  • [20:38:28] <julian__> hehe "i amusing"
  • [20:38:38] <janrinze> hmm is the exposure compensation software controlled?
  • [20:38:40] <julian__> (never saw that one before (or noticed))
  • [20:38:44] <djlewis> koen: yes, I'll try reducing display res, I heard you mention that earlier.
  • [20:38:58] <julian__> janrinze: yeah. it's great..
  • [20:39:27] <janrinze> possibly that generates lot's of overhead..
  • [20:39:41] <julian__> janrinze: with the Logitech Quickcam Pro 900, you also have focus, white balance, gamma et al exposed to userland via luvcvideo or uvcdynctrl (CLI)
  • [20:39:49] <julian__> *9000
  • [20:39:54] <janrinze> it will need to measure ara's and compute contrast etc..
  • [20:40:32] <janrinze> focus, white balance, gamma are on the 'winder too.. but the camera does auto exposure itself.
  • [20:40:35] <djlewis> I got my webcams cause they were cheap to start with and shaped for my project
  • [20:40:46] <julian__> djlewis: anyway, i'm very keen to share notes at some point. being able to write apps around OpenCV on the BB, and have them relatively performant, would be a big deal for me..
  • [20:41:05] <janrinze> so using both would likely create some strange effects..
  • [20:41:54] <djlewis> julian_ I have lots to learn bout openCV but I am playing with mods to existing code.
  • [20:42:01] <janrinze> djlewis: we needed a very good cam to distinguish colors under bad lighting conditions..
  • [20:42:16] <djlewis> I wanted to use two cams same time
  • [20:42:21] <janrinze> djlewis: cheap webcams just don't cut it..
  • [20:42:28] <djlewis> stereo vision
  • [20:42:28] <julian__> djlewis: out of interest which rev of BB are you running? also, which distribution?
  • [20:42:30] <janrinze> djlewis: stereo view?
  • [20:42:44] <djlewis> I posted, hang on.l
  • [20:43:27] <djlewis> julian__: Angstrom 2.6.29 05182009 from sakoman_, revC
  • [20:43:43] <julian__> ok, time to upgrade ;)
  • [20:43:52] <djlewis> I dnloaded the openCV svn and built it on my BB
  • [20:44:16] <julian__> i have rev b6 boards, 2.6.28 stock kernel and also built opencv svn
  • [20:44:53] <koen> djlewis: have you tried the prebuilt packages?
  • [20:44:58] <djlewis> 2.6.28 wouldn't work with my cams. needed libv4l
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  • [20:44:59] <koen> djlewis: I suspect those will work better
  • [20:45:27] <djlewis> koen: i'll give another a try.
  • [20:46:10] <djlewis> the openCV I tried from Angstrom feed did not work.
  • [20:46:31] <julian__> i'm curious though whether my bottleneck might be in the BB hardware itself: perhaps the jump from rev b boards to rev c made the difference..
  • [20:46:37] * julian__ greps for changelogs
  • [20:46:44] <koen> djlewis: the samples work for me
  • [20:47:12] <djlewis> koen: good, they all work for me fter I built openCV
  • [20:47:50] <djlewis> its my non UVC cams that have caused me so much mixing and matching.
  • [20:48:21] <djlewis> and the video libs are getting more up to date than three nonths back
  • [20:48:30] <djlewis> nonths = months
  • [20:50:21] <julian__> djlewis: have you tried the face detect demos on the BB? if so, what is the best time you get in decent light conditions?
  • [20:50:50] <julian__> iterating through the haarcascades is a good measure..
  • [20:51:08] <djlewis> julian_ I dont ave those numbers for you.
  • [20:51:08] <janrinze> hmm. omapfb does not support RGB overlays :-(
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  • [20:52:59] <janrinze> guess that way only Xsmh is the way to go..
  • [20:53:19] <julian__> djlewis: no probs
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  • [20:53:36] <koen> julian__: opencv spends 90% of its time processing the haarcascades according to oprofile
  • [20:53:52] <julian__> alot of OpenCV could be vectorised in the lower layer functions.
  • [20:54:06] <janrinze> koen: does OpenCV use haar filtering?
  • [20:54:09] <julian__> koen: yeah
  • [20:54:13] <julian__> janrinze: yep
  • [20:54:24] <koen> janrinze: adding rgb overlay support should be trivial
  • [20:54:25] <julian__> well, it can if you tell it to.
  • [20:54:41] <janrinze> hmm.. last time i used that it was hardly efficient.. but it may be some other implementation..
  • [20:55:04] <koen> I suspect that keeping the data in xml doesn't help either
  • [20:55:11] <julian__> true..
  • [20:55:16] <koen> but then again, I have something against xml in general
  • [20:55:22] <janrinze> koen: the DSS2 should be capable of it.. so the xserver driver could be adapted.
  • [20:55:43] <janrinze> koen: so does the inventor of XML..
  • [20:56:01] <janrinze> koen: he now wishes he had never inveted it..
  • [20:56:11] <julian__> janrinze: hah. is that true
  • [20:56:55] <muriani> that might be, I could likely confirm it
  • [20:56:57] <djlewis> /djlewis is switching computers, brb
  • [20:57:24] <muriani> I've a friend who works for the w3c, primarily concerning xml implementation
  • [20:57:29] <janrinze> koen, julian and djlewis, you are nice people to hang out with :-)
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  • [20:59:38] <janrinze> i need a long break.. have strained myself too much. (not even done anything i feel.)
  • [20:59:40] <muriani> And there was much rejoicing.
  • [20:59:41] <djlewis1> had to get to my BB
  • [20:59:46] <djlewis1> hee hee
  • [21:00:42] <julian__> janrinze: ;)
  • [21:00:55] <janrinze> will catch up with you guys tomorrow..
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  • [21:00:56] <koen> julian__: I think I can get levelhead running under angstrom (without gl acceleration), but the gl-gles bridge might more and give some boost
  • [21:01:11] <djlewis1> take care janrinze
  • [21:01:20] <janrinze> you too. thanks.
  • [21:01:26] <janrinze> laters!
  • [21:01:36] <muriani> alright, it's time to get paid
  • [21:01:38] <julian__> here we are talking about BB's and i'm hankering for a DIY render farm.
  • [21:01:39] <muriani> bbl.
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  • [21:02:15] <djlewis1> I was playing with rendering last night a little
  • [21:02:16] <koen> julian__: I have few beagles networked for distributed compiling, they could render stuff as well :)
  • [21:02:43] * julian__ pats each of his 6 instances of Blender
  • [21:03:38] <julian__> hah. madness!
  • [21:03:56] <julian__> koen: man if you can get levelHead running on the BB we can make some money together.
  • [21:04:08] <julian__> i have an inbox full of people wanting to buy a kit
  • [21:04:26] <koen> I wish that pandore gl->gles bridge had some build and use instructions.....
  • [21:04:40] <julian__> ahh yes, i heard about this..
  • [21:04:52] <julian__> been meaning to look into the pandora again
  • [21:06:14] <koen> tv time
  • [21:06:16] <koen> later all
  • [21:06:43] <julian__> koen: buenas noches
  • [21:07:28] <djlewis1> julian__: I need to redo my fps numbers I gave you. I think I was relating to mplayer all along
  • [21:08:15] <julian__> oh..
  • [21:08:16] <djlewis1> camshiftdemo @ 640x480 is aboout 3 - 4 fps
  • [21:08:27] <julian__> yeah, that sounds more like it :)
  • [21:08:49] <djlewis1> this bugged me, I didn't want to give out bad info.
  • [21:09:35] <djlewis1> i'm seeing about 90% cpu
  • [21:09:40] <julian__> djlewis1: np, thanks for following it up!
  • [21:10:02] <djlewis1> didnt want yo buying a revC for no reason :(
  • [21:10:29] <julian__> hehe. good timing. i was already deep into changelogs looking for the boost!
  • [21:10:50] <djlewis1> good luck with that ;)
  • [21:10:59] <julian__> djlewis1: might want to tell janrinze tomorrow also the rates related to mplayer
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  • [21:11:36] <djlewis1> yep, cant email him.
  • [21:12:43] <julian__> i'm not an engineer by trade, but it's clear that a lot of OpenCV needs to be changed before it's performant on a platform like the BB
  • [21:12:59] <djlewis1> julian__: If you dont see me on tomorrow you can mention it as I may be out of pocket.
  • [21:13:27] <djlewis1> I agree. I look forward to your redoing it :)
  • [21:13:46] <julian__> djlewis1: mate, it won't be me that does it. i've got other fish to fry!
  • [21:14:25] <djlewis1> julian__: I am not so good with programming.
  • [21:14:39] <julian__> it's a good GSoC project i think, especially at Google would love to see OpenCV on Android...
  • [21:14:44] <julian__> .. on ARM
  • [21:15:24] <julian__> djlewis1: i'm a creative coder, in several language, but i'm not an engineer really. getting there perhaps ;)
  • [21:15:35] <mru> optimising opencv for arm is not easy
  • [21:15:47] <julian__> yeah i bet
  • [21:15:48] <mru> it's not written in an optimisation-friendly way
  • [21:15:53] <djlewis1> ooh, I just had a stack dump exiting openCV
  • [21:16:24] <mru> all the mmx/sse optimisations are done in c++ and gcc intrinsics
  • [21:17:09] <julian__> mru: yes, sounds very 'Intelish'
  • [21:17:18] <Crofton|work> we really should organize a NEON hackfest sometime
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  • [21:17:33] <julian__> Crofton|work: snds fun
  • [21:17:37] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [21:17:42] <utoz> hi
  • [21:17:49] <julian__> "Vectorise, Vectorise, Vectorise"
  • [21:17:59] <julian__> (a catchy slogan, no?)
  • [21:18:09] <djlewis1> BBB and VVV
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  • [21:19:25] <utoz> I compiled the kernel for the Angstrom with the spidev driver
  • [21:19:42] <djlewis1> my Beagle fell down and it cn't get up.....
  • [21:19:42] <utoz> how can I know if it is correctly installed?
  • [21:20:11] <julian__> i'm heading off to watch a film.
  • [21:20:17] <julian__> night all, good chatting
  • [21:20:24] <djlewis1> enjoyed the vistit julian__
  • [21:20:29] <djlewis1> brb
  • [21:20:42] <julian__> me too
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  • [21:31:52] <djlewis1> koen: booting into dvimode=640x480MR-16@60 is a little slower framerate in openCV
  • [21:35:43] <djlewis1> fg
  • [21:35:46] <djlewis1> fg
  • [21:35:54] <djlewis1> darn wrong term
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  • [21:58:49] <djlewis1> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
  • [21:58:57] <utoz> there is no /dev/spidev
  • [22:07:20] <djlewis1> hmmm... somehow my last kernel panic caused this: rt73usb 2-2.3:1.0: firmware: requesting rt73.bin
  • [22:07:20] <djlewis1> phy1 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. - even after power cycle.
  • [22:08:34] <djlewis1> But plugging in my other wifi still works.
  • [22:11:26] <kblin> sounds like the firmware isn't there
  • [22:11:51] <muriani> ew, zap
  • [22:11:54] <djlewis1> hmmm. a longer power cycle and the original wifi came back.
  • [22:12:15] <djlewis1> glitches, gotta love em.
  • [22:13:24] <djlewis1> I was beginning to think my kernel panic changed SD
  • [22:14:25] <djlewis1> well, we topped out at 99.7F today
  • [22:22:25] <muriani> 97
  • [22:22:33] <muriani> we expect 99 here on tuesday
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  • [22:32:14] <djlewis1> ugh.. hot...
  • [22:33:03] <djlewis1> hmmm, narcissus failed to install requested fldigi
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  • [22:55:51] <sakoman> djlewis1: we'll be hitting triple digit temps for pretty much the rest of the summer
  • [22:56:00] <sakoman> but it is a dry heat :-)
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