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  • [01:23:35] <raster> koen: ping!
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  • [02:13:57] <darnzy> Can someone help with with setting "PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel" in my local.conf file? I'm trying to select a particular kernel from the receipes/linux directory.
  • [02:15:29] <darnzy> Or is there another way to select a particular kernel when building using openembedded / bitbake ?
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  • [03:10:04] <darnzy> Or maybe I need to ask how to change the kernel that DISTRO = "angstrom-2008.1" uses? I also have MACHINE = "beagleboard" in my local.conf.
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  • [03:46:14] <favor> hi. could u help me to solve some issues about dsplink/gst_ti?
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  • [04:42:10] <Animule> naked IRC in bed
  • [04:42:20] <Animule> <3 wireless internet, laptops, fuzzy dogs
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  • [05:50:21] <keesj> darnzy: you are right you need to use a combination of PREFERRED_PROVIDER and /or PREFFERED_VERSION
  • [05:50:43] <keesj> try running bitbake with -D to see what it's doing
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  • [06:49:12] <tomba> while there were discussions about DSS scaling, somebody mentioned that there's some other component in OMAP that can do scaling. anyone remember what that was?
  • [06:57:29] <methril|work> good morning
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  • [07:13:14] <darnzy> keesj: Thanks. I ran with -D and I can see that the kernel version is getting picked up from linux-omp.
  • [07:13:20] <darnzy> DEBUG: providers for virtual/kernel are: ['linux', 'linux-omap2', 'linux-bast', 'linux-omap-pm', 'linux-rt', 'linux-omap', 'linux-omap-2.6', 'gumstix-kernel'] NOTE: selecting linux-omap to satisfy virtual/kernel due to PREFERRED_PROVIDERS
  • [07:14:49] <AV500> tomba: the isp block can do scaling
  • [07:15:45] <darnzy> keesj : But I can see linux-omap is being selected due to the "PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-omap"" in conf/machine/include/omap3.inc/
  • [07:16:47] <darnzy> keesj : But how does linux-omap eventually decide which version of the kernel to select?
  • [07:17:35] <darnzy> keesj: I follow receipes/linux/linux-omap.inc but don't see how the final kernel version is decided upon.
  • [07:17:45] <adj> darnzy: you can build kernel also using e.g. bitbake linux-omap-2.6.29
  • [07:18:32] <tomba> AV500: so you can use ISP without camera, and can be used to scale images from memory to memory?
  • [07:18:36] <adj> that way you don't need to modify PREFFERED_VERSION or anything
  • [07:19:40] <darnzy> adj: Ok. Thanks. I'd still like to know how bitbake decides to build linux-omap_2.6.29 when I do "bitbake linux-omap".
  • [07:20:16] <adj> darnzy: i would also like to know how bitbake ends up building anything when I issue "bitbake linux-omap-2.6.29" :)
  • [07:22:36] <adj> that is, I can't find any .bb or .inc file with string "linux-omap-2.6.29" either in its name or contents
  • [07:23:28] <darnzy> adj: receipes/linux/linux-omap_2.6.29.bb
  • [07:24:06] <darnzy> adj: I just discovered the magic :) grep for DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_beagleboard in receipes/liunx.
  • [07:24:08] <adj> darnzy: yep, but note the difference between linux-omap_2.6.29 and linux-omap-2.6.29
  • [07:24:27] <adj> somehow dash translates to underscore
  • [07:26:22] <tomba> AV500: TRM says the ISP resizer supports RAW input data. doesn't sound very useful to me =)
  • [07:26:58] <AV500> it resizes YUV just fine
  • [07:27:31] <raster> yuv is for wimps
  • [07:28:07] <AV500> well, it also does 8 bit mono, so just keep your Rs Gs and Bs separate :-)
  • [07:28:54] <AV500> tomba: yes, it can do mem2mem resizing
  • [07:29:04] * raster hugs his r's
  • [07:29:33] <AV500> but of course you eat up mem bw if you do mem2mem rsz and then read again for DSS output
  • [07:29:50] <AV500> SD its no issue, but HD is
  • [07:30:16] <AV500> raster: I was away for a week, sgx behaves now?
  • [07:30:35] * raster remembers the good old days. when cpu cycles were precious, and memory was fast. the answer to all optimisation problems was "how the hell can you turn that into a lookup table?"
  • [07:30:45] <raster> AV500: my bb died.. remember? :)
  • [07:32:13] <AV500> raster: nobody wanted to implement my RGB888 to YUV lookup table :-)
  • [07:33:00] <AV500> raster: and they did not express ship you a new one?
  • [07:33:23] <raster> AV500: HAHHAHAAH
  • [07:33:39] <raster> AV500: well... i havent asked for one
  • [07:33:45] <AV500> If I was BB, i'
  • [07:33:49] <raster> its a bit unfair as its not their fault
  • [07:34:00] <raster> i should get a pandora.. some day...
  • [07:34:03] <AV500> If I was BB, i'd sent you a tear-off book of em
  • [07:34:06] <koen> raster: pong
  • [07:34:15] <raster> koen: Boo!!!
  • [07:34:30] <koen> eeek!
  • [07:34:33] <raster> AV500: well i have my overo...
  • [07:34:50] <raster> that will do for now - i need to do neon stuff - but i'm busy now implementing a shared cache daemon for evas
  • [07:35:03] <raster> koen: ok. need to ask... what IS that gnu_hash stuff
  • [07:35:21] <raster> the TARGET_CC_ARCH += "${LDFLAGS}"
  • [07:35:21] <raster> trick doesnt work on gcc
  • [07:35:27] <raster> just leads to more build errors
  • [07:36:45] <koen> raster: it's an optimization over sysv style hash maps for sharedlib symbol resolving AIUI
  • [07:36:58] <raster> ok... hmmm
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  • [07:37:10] <raster> is there a way of disabling the check for specific packages?
  • [07:37:31] <raster> i have a small batch of more gnu_hash fisxes pending
  • [07:37:44] <raster> but they will pend until i can verify all my builds for all my targets :(
  • [07:37:59] <koen> yes
  • [07:38:15] <raster> unless there is another fix for this...
  • [07:38:42] <koen> INSANE_SKIP_<entry in PACKAGES> = True
  • [07:39:19] <ant_work> morning
  • [07:39:22] <koen> so if you see "QA: checking package foo" you do INSANE_SKIP_foo = True
  • [07:39:43] <raster> ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary: '/home/raster/oe/t-om-gta02.openmoko/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-4.1.2-r14/install/gcov/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcov'
  • [07:39:47] <raster> thats what i get
  • [07:39:56] <raster> i've triedd upgrading gcc and it segv's compiling libxau :(
  • [07:40:30] <koen> raster: for gcc I think there's an other fix using *FLAGS_FOR_TARGET, but you'd have to ask khem about that
  • [07:40:38] <raster> aaah
  • [07:42:46] <darnzy> adj : I can't figure out how linux-omap-2.6.29 maps to linux-omap_2.6.29. But I've discovered DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_beagleboard so I'm happy.
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  • [07:43:28] <raster> koen: let me try a final update to 4.3.3
  • [07:43:35] <raster> as that definitely works build-wise
  • [07:44:21] <adj> darnzy: thanks for that, it helps me also
  • [07:45:45] <ant_work> koen: what do you think if we only produce .cpio.gz initramfs (kexecboot) images? No need for other formats imho
  • [07:45:48] <koen> raster: gcc 4.3.3 for armv4t need a newer binutils
  • [07:46:09] <raster> arm5te too?
  • [07:46:12] <koen> ant_work: I have no real opinion on that
  • [07:46:13] <koen> raster: yes
  • [07:46:14] <raster> also get the same problems there)
  • [07:46:15] <ant_work> IMAGE_FSTYPES += " tar.gz " -> =
  • [07:46:23] <ant_work> seems sane, kernel is built
  • [07:47:01] <koen> raster: I did a evaluation of gcc 4.3.3 + various binutils last week, results weren't pretty
  • [07:47:25] <koen> raster: khem said the 2.19.50.x binutils should work, but I didn't get around to testing that
  • [07:48:10] <raster> will try
  • [07:48:22] <royerfa> Hi Koen
  • [07:48:29] <raster> ANGSTROM_BINUTILS_VERSION_armv4t = "2.19.50.0.12"
  • [07:48:30] <raster> ja?
  • [07:48:41] <royerfa> I have got his issue with oe "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES quake after a bitbake quake
  • [07:49:02] <royerfa> d oyou have any idea what is wrong ?
  • [07:49:54] <raster> royerfa: you dont have any quake.bb in your BB_FILES path?
  • [07:50:11] <koen> raster: that one
  • [07:50:27] <koen> koen@dominion:/OE/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/linux$ ls ../quake
  • [07:50:28] <koen> files/ ioquake3_svn.bb quake1_0.0.1.bb quake2/ quake2_svn.bb quetoo_0.6.1.bb sdlquake/ sdlquake_1.0.9.bb
  • [07:50:38] <raster> koen: werd. brand new shiny build for armv4t going
  • [07:50:44] <raster> and will do v5te next
  • [07:50:59] <koen> royerfa: look in recipes/quake/ and see what the recipes are named like :)
  • [07:51:34] <khasim> Any body with rev 2/3 pandora hardware?
  • [07:51:51] <khasim> I am looking for u-boot, kernel baseline for Pandora. Any links ?
  • [07:51:55] <ant_work> koen: I have a big changes pending wrt zaurus-2.6.inc: just deploy one installkit-machine (updater.sh + zImage). Should I post on the ML or may I go? Next step would be a 'zaurus-installer', taking in account uImage + flashscript. This would be the only package depending on zaurus-updater (and/or u-boot).
  • [07:52:20] <raster> khasim: if pandora shipped me my device.. i might know :)
  • [07:52:41] <khasim> raster: I don't have either :)
  • [07:52:42] <koen> khasim: AIUI all pandora stuff should end up here: http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi
  • [07:52:58] <raster> khasim: join the club. until i have one.. i'm not going to care about building for it :)
  • [07:53:12] <khasim> koen: thanks
  • [07:53:23] <raster> koen: hopefully only specific pandora overlay stuff
  • [07:53:24] <koen> ant_work: I suspect you're the only one caring about zaurus stuff, so go ahead
  • [07:53:31] <raster> ie like their re-invention of .desktop files
  • [07:53:36] <raster> and xdg standards etc. :)
  • [07:53:59] <raster> ant_work: i care abgout z stuff.. anything to make it more usable/reliable is good
  • [07:54:02] <ant_work> koen: I have now 3 akc's (you, Jay7, bluelightning) :-)
  • [07:54:15] <raster> i still have a c860 here build updated images for every now and again
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  • [07:54:36] <ant_work> raster: parhaps you can help wrt ATIW100 driver
  • [07:54:46] <raster> ant_work: in what way?
  • [07:54:53] * koen looks at https://www.leopardboard.org/
  • [07:55:03] <ant_work> t seems the kdive-imageon is really in bad shape
  • [07:55:15] <ant_work> eh..kdrive-imageon
  • [07:55:18] <royerfa> In my build/conf/local.conf I have BBFILES := "/home/fabroy01/oe/stuff/openembedded/recipes/*/*.bb"
  • [07:56:23] <royerfa> is that correct ot shall I change it to /home/fabroy01/oe/stuff/openembedded/recipes/quake/sdlquake_1.0.9.bb
  • [07:56:30] <raster> ant_work: i'm not surprised, but i can tell you - my plate is mucho full
  • [07:56:43] <darnzy> adj: I moved "DEFAULT_PREFERENCE_beagleboard = "1"" from linux-omap_2.6.29.bb to linux-omap_git.bb . And it looks like my new build is using linux-omap_git.bb. Awesome!
  • [07:56:57] <koen> royerfa: no, BBFILES is correct, you only need to do 'bitbake sdlquake'
  • [07:57:23] <koen> darnzy: except that the git kernel is missing dss2 patches and more
  • [07:57:44] <ant_work> raster: unsure about alpha-blending..W100 should have...you could test the fancy psplash on C860 :-)
  • [07:58:08] <royerfa> OK thank you :) I manage
  • [07:58:27] <darnzy> koen: linux-omap_git.bb has the DSS2.diff patch. Is this the one you speak of?
  • [07:58:43] <koen> yes, but that's a very old one
  • [07:59:11] <koen> and if you look closely you'll see that the _git recipe is using the same git revision as the 2.6.29 one :)
  • [07:59:20] <raster> ant_work: dont need psplash - i have exquisite. it's got a few factors of fancieness over psplash :)
  • [07:59:21] <koen> 2.6.30rc is quite broken on beagle :(
  • [07:59:35] <ant_work> raster: http://ati.amd.com/companyinfo/press/2002/4444.html
  • [08:01:02] <raster> ant_work: would need full specsheet
  • [08:02:37] <darnzy> koen: 2.6.29 is using "58cf2f1425abfd3a449f9fe985e48be2d2555022" and _git.bb points at "90e758af52ba803cba233fabee81176d99589f09". I guess the new rev is just the old one with the patches applied?
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  • [08:04:12] <darnzy> Is linux-omap_git.bb the best recipe to start from if I want to start hacking a kernel?
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  • [08:08:16] <koen> darnzy: the best recipe is to the default that OE chooses for the beagleboard
  • [08:13:48] <darnzy> koen: Ok. Thanks alot. I'll run with that.
  • [08:13:52] <royerfa> After bitbake -v -b /home/fabroy01/oe/stuff/openembedded/recipes/quake/quake1_0.0.1.bb
  • [08:14:08] <royerfa> I got ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
  • [08:14:08] <royerfa> ERROR: Build of /home/fabroy01/oe/stuff/openembedded/recipes/quake/quake1_0.0.1.bb do_fetch failed
  • [08:14:08] <royerfa> ERROR: Task 2 (/home/fabroy01/oe/stuff/openembedded/recipes/quake/quake1_0.0.1.bb, do_fetch) failed
  • [08:14:16] <royerfa> =-O
  • [08:15:08] <koen> royerfa: who do you use -b ?
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  • [08:16:24] <ds2> koen: the quake3 stuff is in now?
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  • [08:16:48] <royerfa> the -b is in the getting started doc
  • [08:17:44] <koen> ds2: no, I still don't have access to the GL-GLES bridge the pandora people are using for that
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  • [08:18:51] <ds2> oh :(
  • [08:20:53] <koen> well, I found an ancient version, which I haven't tried yet since it was said to be non-working
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  • [08:21:51] <koen> royerfa: and that same doc says "Building a single package, bypassing the long parse step (and therefore its dependencies--use with care):"
  • [08:22:13] <koen> did you take the needed care before using -b?
  • [08:22:40] <koen> (that's a rethorical question, I know you didn't since it errored out)
  • [08:25:21] <royerfa> I did bitbake quake2, it seems to work out
  • [08:26:31] <khasim> is there any powerpoint viewer in Angstrom?
  • [08:34:32] <AV500> khasim: cat?
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  • [08:34:50] <AV500> err, strings
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  • [08:41:13] <khasim> AV500: didnt get you... :(
  • [08:44:33] <AV500> khasim: sorry, only bad joke
  • [08:44:54] <AV500> is there open office for angstrom? it should display PPT
  • [08:45:57] <khasim> AV500: :)
  • [08:54:51] <ldesnogu> koen: did you ask Pickle (from gp32x forum) for the GL-GLES wrapper?
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  • [09:16:49] <florian> good morning
  • [09:17:02] <mru> morning
  • [09:17:07] <AV500> gm
  • [09:18:01] <AV500> tomba: is there a way to browse your git tree online?
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  • [09:22:08] <eFfeM> morning
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  • [09:25:53] <hrw> morning
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  • [09:51:00] <tomba> AV500: no
  • [09:52:14] <AV500> :-(, so cloning it
  • [09:52:51] <AV500> im looking for the patch for DSS already configured via uboot
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  • [09:56:11] <koen> AV500: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.29/dss2
  • [09:56:36] <koen> AV500: more specifically http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap-2.6.29/dss2/0053-DSS2-disable-LCD-DIGIT-before-resetting-DSS.patch
  • [09:58:23] <AV500> koen: thx
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  • [11:07:21] <geckosenator> I'm installing debian!
  • [11:07:50] <geckosenator> I had to copy the firmware drivers for my usb wifi
  • [11:08:01] <geckosenator> manually by executing a shell from the debian installer
  • [11:08:05] <geckosenator> but then it seems to work
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  • [11:39:13] <Hrww> usb1: register 'dm9601' at usb-musb_hdrc-1.4, Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet, ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
  • [11:39:21] <Hrww> one more reason for 2.6.29 on bb...
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  • [11:50:49] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [11:52:14] <Crofton|work> gm
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  • [11:52:41] <hrw> hi jkridner|work Crofton|work
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  • [11:53:33] <Crofton|work> how's the weather in .pl?
  • [11:53:47] <Crofton|work> Apparently we skipped spring and have moved direct to summer ...
  • [11:54:00] <jkridner|work> weather in .tx.us is kinda stormy this morning. enjoying the thunder.
  • [11:54:08] <hrw> Crofton|work: hot
  • [11:54:12] <Crofton|work> it will be 80+ again
  • [11:54:15] <Crofton|work> er
  • [11:54:21] <Crofton|work> convert 80 to C :)
  • [11:54:35] <Crofton|work> 27C+
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  • [11:58:34] <koen> hrw: I need to test some more things before I make .29 default in stable/2009 for beagle
  • [11:58:42] <koen> (and sync the recipes of course)
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  • [11:58:54] <hrw> ok
  • [11:59:14] <koen> hrw: .29 is default in .dev
  • [11:59:22] <hrw> koen: I know - upgrading bb now
  • [11:59:44] <hrw> still need to change one power connector in bbiab...
  • [12:00:00] * koen is getting annoyed with the sheevaplug
  • [12:00:18] <koen> not a good sign when you need to do:
  • [12:00:19] <koen> setenv mainlineLinux yes
  • [12:00:23] <hrw> koen: I am still waiting for my sheevas
  • [12:00:24] <koen> in uboot to get a kernel to boot
  • [12:01:29] <hrw> nasty
  • [12:01:43] <hrw> koen: mainline supports it fully?
  • [12:01:56] <koen> it's using linux-kirkwood in OE
  • [12:02:03] <hrw> so 2.6.22.x
  • [12:02:12] <koen> which seems to be a git tree from marvell based on .29rc7
  • [12:02:22] <hrw> o..
  • [12:02:33] <hrw> some stuff got changed since last checked
  • [12:05:46] <khasim> jkridner|work: ping
  • [12:06:10] <jkridner|work> pong
  • [12:06:17] <jkridner|work> you able to make the call?
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  • [12:13:08] <khasim> jkridner|work: I am on the call waiting for you
  • [12:13:21] <jkridner|work> I was using the wrong conf code. :(
  • [12:15:55] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:16:04] <Crofton|work> irc being used to solve telephone issues :)
  • [12:16:11] <XorA> ~blame Crofton|work :-D
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  • [12:16:38] <XorA> having no sensible phone system I far prefer internet phones these days
  • [12:17:05] <geckosenator> I prefer no phones
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  • [12:22:02] <hrw> opkg needs some progress bar...
  • [12:22:47] <koen> hrw: I asked tick to put back the download progress bar
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  • [12:23:48] <koen> hrw: but it seems that thos just removed all progress bar code instead of making it an option..
  • [12:25:31] <hrw> koen: thomas removed whole old download code and progressbar was part of it
  • [12:26:02] <hrw> koen: opkg still need changes - currently nearly whole opkg-cl is inside of library
  • [12:29:18] <koen> send patches, I seem to have opkg commit rights :)
  • [12:29:47] <hrw> haha
  • [12:29:55] * koen wants to get packagekit working so powerfull devices can get transitioned to apt+deb
  • [12:30:35] <hrw> I want to find some local company which do holes in metal
  • [12:32:36] <AV500> hrw: your local army?
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  • [12:33:25] <Crofton|work> buy a drill?
  • [12:34:15] <hrw> Crofton|work: drill, vise etc...
  • [12:34:31] <hrw> Crofton|work: no time for playing will all that too much
  • [12:34:58] <Crofton|work> yeah, it is hard to get clean holes in metal with a handdeld drill
  • [12:34:59] <AV500> hrw: round holes, easy, square holes hard :-)
  • [12:35:07] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:35:25] <Crofton|work> almost easier to make square holes with a hand held drill :)
  • [12:35:45] <AV500> you mean random-shaped :-)
  • [12:35:50] <AV500> did a lot of them
  • [12:36:29] <AV500> jsut remember, "the bigger the hole, the more screw goes through it..."
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  • [12:37:12] <hrw> koen: Starting system message bus: Unknown username "polkituser" in message bus configuration file
  • [12:37:57] <hrw> so far I did holes with drill and dremel-like
  • [12:38:16] <hrw> koen: and now I see e17 breakage
  • [12:38:44] <hrw> koen: also libtheora upgrade fails
  • [12:40:45] <koen> the libtheora thing is weird
  • [12:40:52] <koen> the recipe didn't change in a while
  • [12:40:58] <koen> Linux sheevaplug 2.6.29.1 #1 PREEMPT Mon Apr 27 14:15:45 CEST 2009 armv5tel unknown
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  • [12:45:16] <koen> [ 4] 0.0-10.0 sec 995 MBytes 832 Mbits/sec
  • [12:45:36] <koen> faster devboard so far
  • [12:45:43] <koen> fastest*
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  • [12:46:55] <hrw> iperf?
  • [12:50:12] <koen> yes
  • [12:50:28] <hrw> nice result
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  • [13:09:35] <hrw> [ 1402.324951] usb1: register 'dm9601' at usb-musb_hdrc-1.2, Davicom DM9601 USB Ethernet, 7a:ad:23:ea:e3:56
  • [13:09:39] <hrw> properly
  • [13:10:21] <hrw> 7Mbps
  • [13:10:43] <koen> b or B?
  • [13:10:50] <hrw> b
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  • [13:11:15] <hrw> this is usb 1.1 card
  • [13:11:44] <hrw> it connects to hub/switch as 100Mbps but gets 7Mbps
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  • [13:16:09] <hrw> koen: we need to fix fsck
  • [13:16:14] <kapare> Bonjour, question: I try to compile the bitbake beagleboard-demo-image and add e17 error ../../data/themes/default.edj make[4]: *** [default.edj] Segmentation fault
  • [13:16:14] <hrw> fsck: fsck.auto: No such file or directory
  • [13:16:44] <kapare> Someone no how to fix that error?
  • [13:17:11] <hrw> kapare: run command again
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  • [13:18:08] <kapare> hrw: that's it ? I will try this tonight I'm at the job right now
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  • [13:20:09] <hrw> kapare: no, I just do not know why it happened. sometimes running again helps
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  • [13:20:51] <hrw> koen: 2.6.29 goes to poky too
  • [13:25:07] <kapare> hrw: thx, if it doesn't work do you think that bitbake beagleboard-demo-image -c rebuild could help ?
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  • [13:31:29] <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/sheevaplug-devkit
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  • [13:34:57] <koen> 3.44 MB/sec
  • [13:35:08] <koen> nand in the sheeva is even slower than the one in the beagle
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  • [13:35:37] <mru> koen: so is this sheeva reasonably easy to get running?
  • [13:35:39] <XorA> nand is supposed to be slow, drives the sales of SD cards :-)
  • [13:36:01] <koen> mru: after figuring out the serial port and u-boot issues, yet
  • [13:36:10] <koen> mru: no mmc support in u-boot, though
  • [13:36:23] <koen> uboot 1.1.4
  • [13:36:36] <mru> what can it boot?
  • [13:37:17] <koen> tftp and nand by the looks of it
  • [13:37:26] <mru> good enough for me
  • [13:37:49] <koen> I boot uImage from nand, which can load root from sd
  • [13:38:32] <mru> network is fine for my needs
  • [13:40:19] <hrw> mru: but there is 512MB of nand...
  • [13:41:20] <koen> it's nice when a recent kernel works on a board
  • [13:41:41] <hrw> indeed
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  • [13:43:31] <mru> and it does?
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  • [13:57:46] <koen> mru: yes, I'm running 2.6.29.1 now (from marvell git, but still 2.6.29.1)
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  • [14:04:22] <mru> so the situation is akin to running linux-omap kernels?
  • [14:04:47] <koen> yes
  • [14:05:20] <koen> nico pitr and lennert seem to be working for marvell, so the non-upstream stuff should be close to mainline quality
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  • [14:48:43] <AV500> koen: finally: http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=976
  • [14:51:33] <AV500> even better: http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=980
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  • [14:53:14] <recalcati> morning
  • [14:53:19] <AV500> gm
  • [14:53:27] <AV500> you got flash to behave? :-)
  • [14:53:44] <recalcati> AV500: Did you remember .... !!!
  • [14:54:02] <hrw> koen: Poky users got 2.6.29 kernel from OE
  • [14:54:20] <recalcati> I'm still waiting an answer http://e2e.ti.com/forums/t/4956.aspx
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  • [15:01:17] <eFfeM> koen saw your blog entry on openplug, nice
  • [15:01:40] * eFfeM hopes likewise got his and mine too
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  • [15:09:34] <hrw> I want mine sheevas..
  • [15:10:54] <hrw> koen: can you ack my genext2fs patch for stable?
  • [15:10:57] <DJWillis> hrw: are they 240/220v happy? That is what put me off getting one or two.
  • [15:11:44] <hrw> DJWillis: yes
  • [15:12:17] <DJWillis> hrw: nice, I figured they would be but was not sure.
  • [15:13:48] <hrw> DJWillis: this is written on website (or in doc)
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  • [15:15:23] <DJWillis> hrw: must have missed that in a quick scan (I am think and do miss the obvious most of the time)
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  • [15:23:20] <viridior> im working on the port of Gentoo to armv7a, was Angstrom's toolchain compiled using NEON instructions?
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  • [15:24:29] <viridior> err... im not in the contest, im from the Gentoo Pandora group
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  • [15:56:34] <recalcati> anybody from Ti ?
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  • [16:55:07] <xander85> anyone available for a quick compile question?
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  • [17:00:01] <brolin> hi all, someone have a reference(link, book, software) related
  • [17:00:01] <brolin> with collaborative embedded design? i wonder how to distribute,
  • [17:00:03] <brolin> for example the pcb routing of a schematic
  • [17:01:02] <AV500> to look at as a PDF
  • [17:01:06] <ds2> yikes... how much space does a current Angstrom build run?
  • [17:01:17] <AV500> to work on, in whatever format your SW saves it
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  • [17:01:24] <AV500> but "merging" might be hard
  • [17:02:16] <brolin> to work on
  • [17:03:05] <brolin> the routing of the beagle pcb is made by only one person?
  • [17:03:29] <adj> propably
  • [17:03:48] <brolin> uhm
  • [17:03:54] <ds2> base image is up to 8G and still growing
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  • [17:04:38] <emeb> ds2: That's not my experience - Angstrom takes about 70% of a 1GB SD card.
  • [17:04:53] <adj> brolin: at least it is done within a single company with everyone access to relevant project hard drives
  • [17:05:07] <emeb> Of course it's been a few weeks since I last grabbed an image. :)
  • [17:05:46] <adj> brolin: that is at least how we do things and we are dealing with quite huge schematics/pwb designs
  • [17:06:10] <adj> but im not from ti..
  • [17:06:34] <ds2> emeb: how big did your build space get?
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  • [17:07:04] <xander85> can anyone help me with a quick compile related question?
  • [17:07:09] <emeb> Ah - you're talking about the OE build from scratch, not the downloaded images.
  • [17:07:15] <ds2> yes
  • [17:08:04] <xander85> how would i go about installing gcc or arm-non-linux-gnuabi on my BB so I can compile a program
  • [17:08:04] <brolin> adj: how works the things?, i'm stating a project at university and we have problems to work in parallel in the design
  • [17:08:08] <viridior> xander85: whats you question?
  • [17:08:27] <xander85> or can I do this with oe/bitbake (not sure how to do this)
  • [17:08:46] <xander85> i am able to compile a program on my ubuntu desktop and it works, but if I copy the dir to the BB it doesnt work
  • [17:08:56] <xander85> im probably missing dependacies, but I'm a newbie and not sure how to check
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  • [17:09:54] <adj> brolin: at our work projects we normally have some dedicated network drive for every project and usually only one dedicated layout guy doing routing
  • [17:10:03] <xander85> im trying to finish up a senior design project and im really struggling. all im trying to do is change the exposure rate on my webcam for v4l2
  • [17:10:45] <adj> brolin: depending on the design programs schematics can be done in parallel and every once in a while designers sync schematics and PWB
  • [17:11:22] <emeb> OK - when I built with OE the full build directory (all the tools, etc) takes up 12GB
  • [17:12:29] <emeb> The .bz2 images that get loaded on SD are smaller though: Console image is 8MB, X11 image is 20MB
  • [17:13:30] <xander85> viridior: can you help me?
  • [17:14:19] <adj> brolin: we have no issues with parallel tasking as usually one designer is responsible for the whole master design and he either integrates the blocks and changes made by other teams (or gives the task to someone else)
  • [17:14:47] <brolin> adj: yes the schematics are not really a problem. The ways of work are similar, but i asked here some advice, thanks a lot adj ;)
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  • [17:15:43] <adj> brolin: but i am also facing the same issue with one of our hobby projects (which is actually a add-on to beagle). We'll propably end up using SVN or some other system which integrates seamlessly to windows file manager
  • [17:16:10] <brolin> i want to explore redmine
  • [17:16:26] <brolin> http://www.redmine.org/
  • [17:16:28] <ds2> 12G? oh crap
  • [17:16:57] <emeb> yep. But that's not what goes on the BB filesystem - that's what your cross machine needs.
  • [17:17:08] <ds2> emeb: does that includes the sources directory?
  • [17:17:10] <adj> ds2: 16G for me at the moment and i've been building only console-image and various kernels
  • [17:17:26] <ds2> adj: console-image is bigger then base image, IIRC
  • [17:18:07] <emeb> ds2: That's everything in my OE tree, including bitbake, etc.
  • [17:18:09] <viridior> xander85: sorry, was afk for a min... I'm using Gentoo so I'm not too knowledgeable about OE/bb but I believe there is some guidance on elinux and the google group
  • [17:18:28] <brolin> adj: but need learn how to deploy it, i'm reading ...
  • [17:18:31] <xander85> whats gentoo? is that something i can use
  • [17:18:33] <xander85> im open for whatever
  • [17:18:45] <xander85> just need to figure out how to install programs on the BB
  • [17:18:49] <emeb> gazillions of tiny files - I accidentally included it in my regular backups and it took all day to walk the tree.
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  • [17:20:54] <emeb> xander85: are you using a std Angstrom image? If so just use opkg install <pkg>
  • [17:21:04] <xander85> yes i am
  • [17:21:13] <xander85> where do I get the packages?
  • [17:21:17] <emeb> C compilers, python, perl, etc are all available that way.
  • [17:21:31] <xander85> ok cool
  • [17:21:32] <emeb> opkg grabs them from a debian-like repository.
  • [17:21:36] <viridior> xander85: talking about Gentoo is a large conversation... if your looking to just compile your program, you can probably get a toolchain on Angstrom fairly quickly. If your wanting to learn about linux with your beagleboard I would love to talk to you about Gentoo.
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  • [17:21:56] <emeb> you'll need a network connection on your beagle for that to work of course.
  • [17:22:02] <xander85> hmmm ok
  • [17:22:20] <xander85> viridior: ok thanks
  • [17:22:43] <xander85> emeb: is there anyway to download the package and then transfer it to my BB
  • [17:22:45] <emeb> get an ethernet dongle ($10 Trendnet at Fry's for me)
  • [17:22:52] <ds2> okay so either you are doing something lighter or my build is nearly done
  • [17:22:57] <emeb> Maybe I haven't done that though.
  • [17:23:29] <xander85> is there a command with opkg to see available packages/
  • [17:23:38] <emeb> ds2: It took me almost a full day for OE to run to completion. Looks like it starts with 1st principles.
  • [17:24:05] <emeb> xander85: I think so. Check man pages.
  • [17:24:26] <xander85> ok cool ill have to figure out a way to get connected to the internet
  • [17:24:39] <xander85> i have the usb parts just cant plugin anywhere at school
  • [17:24:42] <xander85> ill have to try at home
  • [17:25:03] <emeb> g'luck
  • [17:25:38] <xander85> thanks one other question if you have time
  • [17:25:42] <emeb> sure
  • [17:25:59] <xander85> i copied the source files for arm-none-linux-gnuabi to my BB, is there a way to get this to run on the bb?
  • [17:26:11] <emeb> no idea.
  • [17:26:14] <xander85> on my ubuntu desktop i just used the graphical installer, which obviously isnt an option on my console only BB
  • [17:26:16] <xander85> hmmm ok
  • [17:26:23] <xander85> ill look into opkg
  • [17:26:36] <emeb> opkg is the cleanest way to go.
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  • [17:27:50] <ds2> emeb: yep... started last night at around 8PM
  • [17:27:53] <viridior> xander85: no, wont work since its compiled for x86 be will produce arm code
  • [17:28:23] <xander85> ok makes sense
  • [17:28:24] <viridior> xander85: err... but will
  • [17:28:36] <xander85> ill try to get opkg going and download a compiler that way
  • [17:28:37] <viridior> xander85: i'm assuming /usr/arm-none-linux-gnueabi was cross compiled
  • [17:29:32] <viridior> xander85: thats safe since it will/has been compiled for ARM on ARM
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  • [17:33:23] <xander85> ok ill try it
  • [17:33:44] <xander85> im gonna see if i can get my BB online, except im trying to connect to a WPA network with certain certificates and stuff so im not sure if i can
  • [17:33:54] <xander85> i can connect using WPA to my own router i know that, but its not online
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  • [18:44:36] <rob_k> Hi, I'm fighting with SPI3 on BB rev b7. I need to use my own u-boot build instead of u-boot from NAND. BB has x-loader 1.41. What is the safest/best way to make BB to use u-boot form mmc?
  • [18:44:58] <russ> hold down the user button while powering it on
  • [18:45:49] <rob_k> and on mmc shoud be MLO, u-boot and uImage?
  • [18:46:02] <rob_k> or only u-boot and uImage
  • [18:46:02] <rob_k> ?
  • [18:48:46] <mru> russ: are you the russ who sent those mails about reducing sleep mode power?
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  • [18:50:43] <russ> yes
  • [18:50:54] <mru> nice work
  • [18:51:08] <mru> you should enter it on the contest page
  • [18:51:20] <mru> you're likely to need a new beagle at some point ;-)
  • [18:59:21] <Crofton> rob_k, copy new u-boot to sd card
  • [18:59:31] <Crofton> it is pretty safe
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  • [19:14:03] <rob_k> Crofton I've copied u-boot and uImage on sd card and still have 'U-Boot 1.3.3 (Jul 10 2008 - 16:33:09) '
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  • [19:22:23] <rob_k> Crofton Sorry, my stupid mistake. My u-boot file doesn't have 'bin' extension. Thanks for help.
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  • [19:31:04] <Crofton> :)
  • [19:31:21] <hrw> re
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  • [19:35:36] <hrw> re
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  • [19:49:29] <koen> hmmm
  • [19:49:40] <koen> nautilus seems to need gnome-mount at runtime
  • [19:49:49] <koen> but to build gnome-mount you need libnautilus
  • [19:51:22] <Crofton|work> anyone know about generating interupts rfom GPIO's?
  • [19:52:48] <hrw> koen: and nautilus has libnautilus itself?
  • [19:53:03] <russ> Crofton|work: take a look at gpio-keys
  • [19:54:14] <russ> koen: if its only a runtime dependancy, who cares?
  • [19:54:29] <hrw> russ: OE cares
  • [19:54:34] <russ> o
  • [19:54:38] <hrw> koen: move it from RDEPENDS to RRECOMMENDS?
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  • [19:56:59] <koen> hrw: even with RRECOMMENDS it will create a dependency loop when building
  • [19:57:24] <koen> hrw: I suspect I'll create a 'nautilus-integration.bb' that depends on gnome-mount
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  • [19:57:56] <likewise_> Crofton|work: GPIO -> int on what platform?
  • [19:58:12] <Crofton|work> omap3
  • [19:58:25] <Crofton|work> basically, I am hoping any gpio can be used to create interupts
  • [19:58:32] <Crofton|work> guess I need to read TRM
  • [19:58:51] <likewise_> Crofton|work: no experience there, is really h/w dependent.
  • [19:58:57] <Crofton|work> yeah
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  • [20:13:05] <Crofton|work> ok, looks like any gpio can generate an interupt
  • [20:13:30] <russ> Crofton|work: thats all you wanted to know?
  • [20:13:38] <Crofton|work> yeah :)
  • [20:14:07] <Crofton|work> make sure I didn't connect something that needed to create an irq to the only pin that couldn't create one :)
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  • [20:16:21] <koen> Crofton|work: I've seem a lot of workaround for that kind of problems :)
  • [20:16:30] <koen> +s somewhere
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  • [20:18:02] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: you're in pretty good shape with interupts on OMAP#
  • [20:18:24] <sakoman__> since they all can generate an irq
  • [20:18:42] <sakoman__> what you have to watch out for is the handful that are input only
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  • [20:18:44] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:18:50] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [20:18:52] <Crofton|work> sneaky
  • [20:19:22] <sakoman__> On an early gumstix proto Gordon used one of those for an output signal and it drove me crazy for a couple of hours
  • [20:19:43] <sakoman__> Couldn't figure out why I couldn't get the pin to change state!
  • [20:19:52] <Crofton|work> sounds like people spi issues
  • [20:20:09] <Crofton|work> I can loopback spi through the fpga at 48 MHz clock
  • [20:20:17] <sakoman__> One glance at the TRM expalined it :-)
  • [20:20:23] <sakoman__> explained
  • [20:21:05] <sakoman__> Crofton|work: great news!
  • [20:21:09] <koen> sakoman__: any quick thoughts on the TS issue with cpufreq?
  • [20:21:48] <sakoman__> koen: no, what is the symptom?
  • [20:22:14] <koen> sakoman__: it seems to loose calibration at lower speeds, switching back to ~500MHz makes it work again
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  • [20:22:41] <sakoman__> any pattern to the calibration loss?
  • [20:23:19] <koen> it looks like it's a loss of resolution with added noise
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  • [20:23:43] <sakoman__> koen: hmm . . . I'll have to think about that one
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  • [20:24:08] <sakoman__> have an appointment now, I'll try to look at the driver code tonight
  • [20:24:19] <koen> sakoman__: try http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/uImage-2.6.29-pm0+gitr9d76f46e79302058464b569dbad9af8c594dbe53-r31-overo.bin on a palo and see :)
  • [20:24:22] <sakoman__> maybe something will be obvious
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  • [20:33:38] <Alex_Ionescu> hi, I asked this question yesterday but didn't get a reply, hope you don't mind the re-ask: Where are the DPLL parameter table values in u-boot derived from? I've got an ES3.0 but the tables only go up to 2.0
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  • [20:41:09] <adj> aargh, i'm desperately trying to get some life to the GPIOs at the expansion board by redirecting the predefined usr1 led (with mmc activity trigger) from gpio 149 to gpio 162
  • [20:41:47] <adj> that is, i change gpio value 149 to 162 in board-omap3beagle.c
  • [20:42:15] <russ> dunno if that'll fix all the mux configuration too
  • [20:42:51] <adj> well, i have kernel mux config disabled and u-boot has same mux config settings for both gpio 149 and 162
  • [20:43:05] <russ> are they right?
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  • [20:43:54] <adj> should be, as i can control the usr1 led via /sys/class/led/... if it's configured to gpio 149
  • [20:44:32] <adj> but no success with gpio 162, pin 14 at expansion connector stays dead silent
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  • [20:45:14] <russ> are the mux registers for both the same?
  • [20:45:34] <adj> yes, the contents are the same
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  • [20:47:01] <ds2> russ: THANKS!
  • [20:47:54] <russ> ds2: np, let me know if I left anything out
  • [20:48:22] <ds2> russ: yeah,the part to take it down to 0mW ;)
  • [20:48:28] <russ> well thats easy
  • [20:48:43] <ds2> w/o loosing state!
  • [20:48:52] <russ> bit more difficult
  • [20:48:57] <ds2> I am only half sarcastic on that
  • [20:49:19] <russ> the TWL 4030 does support an ultra-low power state like that, but the beagle board isn't configured to wake from it
  • [20:49:23] <ds2> in theory, it should be possible to suspend to flash (or SD) but there is probally a PhD's worth of work for that
  • [20:49:28] <russ> unless maybe reset could be made to do so
  • [20:49:51] <russ> I don't think you could get access to the power switch signal
  • [20:50:13] <ds2> russ: do you have a PM wish list?
  • [20:50:51] <russ> more finely grained control of the rs232 transceivers
  • [20:51:14] <russ> the high speed clock request/enable signals connected up
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  • [20:51:55] <russ> I dunno, most of the stuff I needed to do I was able to make appropriate modifications to the board for
  • [20:52:09] <ds2> Hmmm
  • [20:52:42] <ds2> this is very impressive given that your hands were essentially tied
  • [20:52:45] <russ> from an experimenters stand point though, I really wish they would have secretly provided the battery changing pins
  • [20:52:54] <Crofton|work> yeah
  • [20:53:14] <russ> I understand its a fast way to kill boards and burn/explode batteries
  • [20:53:18] <ds2> is there a board that does that besides the SDP?
  • [20:53:24] <ds2> AFAIK, even the zooms
  • [20:53:27] <ds2> don't use that
  • [20:53:44] <ds2> (or am I mistaken?)
  • [20:53:56] <russ> I don't know much about the SDP or openzoom
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  • [20:55:29] <ds2> lemon powered suspension is now a reality
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  • [20:56:19] <russ> heh, I'll bring one to my software demo, but I'm not sure if it'll be enough voltage
  • [20:56:32] <ds2> russ: when is your demo?
  • [20:56:51] <russ> it could be today or next week
  • [20:56:57] <ds2> oh "soon"
  • [20:57:24] <ds2> russ: are you a perm. AZ resident?
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  • [20:57:39] <russ> yes
  • [20:57:47] <russ> I do have several lemons lying around my backyard
  • [20:58:22] <ds2> I got a bushel or two I can donate
  • [20:58:41] <ds2> it isn't a complex power supply to build
  • [20:59:04] <russ> I'd really be best with a single lemon and a charge pump
  • [20:59:15] <russ> I don't know if you can do than with .9V though
  • [20:59:29] <ds2> not enough energy unless you got some exotic stuff
  • [20:59:50] <russ> hmm...maybe you could cheat and put multiple electrodes in a single lemon?
  • [20:59:55] <ds2> internal resistance of the dillute citric acid electrolyte jusst doesn't help
  • [21:00:09] <ds2> that + a charge pump to stablize it a bit
  • [21:00:21] <russ> cut it in half and put an insulator in the middle
  • [21:00:59] <ds2> you thinking of parallel or series?
  • [21:01:05] <russ> series
  • [21:01:17] <russ> and maybe quarters, not halves
  • [21:01:21] <ds2> oh and avoid the pump?
  • [21:01:25] <russ> right
  • [21:01:35] <russ> rubber band the whole thing together
  • [21:01:38] <ds2> I'd be worried about drops from the internal resistance
  • [21:01:57] <ds2> I'd much rather parallel them to cut down the resistance and use a pump to stablize
  • [21:02:00] <russ> http://www.hilaroad.com/camp/projects/lemon/lemon_battery.html
  • [21:02:13] <russ> the guy on this page is getting 3.5V out of 4 lemons in series
  • [21:03:12] <ds2> yes, but the voltage drops quite a bit if you draw anything from it
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  • [21:03:42] <russ> maybe cut up some monster cables for a gold plated cathode
  • [21:04:10] <ds2> don't have a chart handy but does gold work as a cathode?
  • [21:04:24] <russ> http://www.hilaroad.com/camp/projects/lemon/electric_potential.html
  • [21:04:32] <russ> maybe I have my cathodes and anodes backwards
  • [21:05:00] <ds2> oh nice
  • [21:05:43] <ds2> you might be able to do that with scrap PCB...gold finishes seems to be pretty common
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  • [21:05:52] <koen> heh, monster cables
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  • [21:06:12] <ds2> or you can at least use grapes and the 2 nail things
  • [21:06:15] <russ> bah, I'll just plug in my wedding ring
  • [21:06:17] <Crofton|work> d2 likely not
  • [21:06:33] <Crofton|work> since it is pretty inert, no free electrosn to move around ...
  • [21:06:49] <Crofton|work> I thimnk
  • [21:06:59] <Crofton|work> I took Chemistry a long time ago
  • [21:07:07] <ds2> prehaps make a video set to the tune of dualing banjos and switch between your BB and the TI 430 'grape' power demo
  • [21:07:08] <Crofton|work> hmm, you can gold plate things
  • [21:07:24] <koen> banjo country
  • [21:07:29] <ds2> Crofton|work: that's what I thought too but the redox potential chart shows Au and Pt at non Zero potentials
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  • [21:09:40] <likewise_> The cool lemons work best, they come with protection glasses: http://foxcpnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/lemon.jpg
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  • [21:32:46] <worsy> hi!
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  • [23:41:33] <xander85> can someone help me with a basic opkg question?
  • [23:41:48] <xander85> im trying to compile something on my BB and im getting the error: "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
  • [23:41:56] <xander85> i installed "opkg install gcc"
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  • [23:42:01] <xander85> and g++
  • [23:42:16] <xander85> but i dont know what other compiler packages I need to compile something, im a newbie
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