• [00:00:26] <Downix> this is getting a tad too complex, thinking on it. Might be better to use one of the PCIe equipted ARMs.
  • [00:00:48] <russ> ya, but if you are crazy and your engineering time is free, it might be possible
  • [00:01:36] <Downix> the other option is too expensive to pull off
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  • [00:01:42] <Downix> and defeats the point of the design
  • [00:02:00] <Downix> there is a USB version of the card, but it's 4x the price, and cannot be stored internally
  • [00:02:47] <russ> another question would be can the OMAP3 serial ports to 8b/10b encoding on their own
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  • [00:03:38] <russ> you'd also need to be able to respond quickly enough and calculate the CRC (or ignore it) and send an ACK
  • [00:04:46] <Downix> I'd think no
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  • [00:06:50] <Downix> grr
  • [00:06:53] <Downix> very fustrating
  • [00:06:55] <Downix> altho
  • [00:06:57] <Downix> hmm...
  • [00:07:00] <Downix> **ponders**
  • [00:07:30] <russ> maybe a serializer connected to the GMPC? Its supposed to be pretty flexible
  • [00:08:16] <Downix> gmpc? Haven'tlooked at that yet
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  • [00:10:14] <russ> 10ns min cycle time
  • [00:10:24] <Downix> in theory
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  • [00:10:40] <Downix> this still stinks in principle
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  • [00:11:24] <russ> but it doesn't give you full duplex, I'm not sure if that would be a deal breaker
  • [00:11:35] <Downix> likely would
  • [00:11:36] <russ> I'm guessing it would be
  • [00:12:17] <Downix> this is bizzare when a 68020 can get PCIe yet a top end ARM can't...
  • [00:13:18] <mru> the omap3 is meant for phones and such
  • [00:13:23] <ds> XScale ARM chips support PCIe
  • [00:13:40] <mru> xscale?
  • [00:13:42] <russ> nope, 20.83ns cycle time for McBSP
  • [00:13:57] <mru> sure you don't mean freescale?
  • [00:13:58] <russ> thats only 48MHz
  • [00:14:21] <russ> freescale is the new xscale
  • [00:14:29] <russ> s/x/free/g
  • [00:14:31] <Downix> mru: this would basically be a phone with a single minicard, well, a handheld
  • [00:14:39] <Downix> no, XScale was bought by Marvell
  • [00:14:45] <mru> russ: that's weird way to put it
  • [00:14:46] <Downix> Freescale is the old Motorola chip co
  • [00:14:50] <russ> oh, I got them confused
  • [00:14:57] <mru> xscale was a series of armv4 processors
  • [00:15:06] <mru> from intel
  • [00:15:16] <Downix> formerly StrongARM from DEC
  • [00:15:26] <Downix> I knew a lot of the StrongARM team, my father worked for DEC
  • [00:16:34] <Downix> Marvell's Sheeva has PCIe, but no GPU
  • [00:16:51] <Downix> plus, well, I like PowerVR and the C64x series of DSP's, so OMAP really is appealing
  • [00:17:50] <Downix> I have a KyroII in one of my boxes here, for instance
  • [00:20:17] <Downix> so, might need to go to the Marvell with it's PCIe and locate a GPU for it
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  • [00:21:12] <russ> someone really needs to take the GPU pieces, like the ones that make up an NVIDIA CUDA GPU, and put a bunch of them in an ARM
  • [00:21:20] <russ> and then give the thing a fast memory controller
  • [00:21:50] <russ> audio processing? physics? graphics? video decoding? its your choice
  • [00:21:51] <mru> hmm.. isn't that more or less the nvidia tegra?
  • [00:21:52] <Downix> yup
  • [00:22:09] <Downix> so we guess, the details on the tegra aren't out yet
  • [00:22:29] <russ> oh, wait I suppose so
  • [00:22:34] <mru> it's an arm cpu with some kind of dsp/gpu
  • [00:22:53] <Downix> mru: nVidia's been shipping GPU's with ARM's for awhile. The 6100 in my tower here, for instance.
  • [00:23:25] <mru> I wouldn't be surprised to find an arm inside the powervr
  • [00:23:40] <Downix> mru: er... that's what the OMAP is....
  • [00:24:14] <Downix> 8)
  • [00:24:22] <Downix> Hmm, you know...
  • [00:24:36] <Downix> **sees if Marvell has SDIO lines**
  • [00:25:09] <mru> the dsp block on the omap contains an arm968
  • [00:26:06] <Downix> PowerVR is a licenseable arch, and pairing it up to an ARM is a logical step. I messed with it using an embedded SPARC awhile back, really flew. I'd imagine the ARM doing the same
  • [00:28:09] <Downix> ok, the Sheeva from Marvell has SDI
  • [00:28:34] <Downix> if I use that for the PCIe, and the OMAP for the rest of the system, that could work
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  • [00:31:46] <Downix> in theory, anyways
  • [00:31:52] <Downix> I'll need to study things more
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  • [00:32:33] <Downix> I think it could work tho
  • [00:33:51] <mru> SDI as in serial display interface?
  • [00:33:54] <mru> or some other sdi?
  • [00:34:36] <Downix> SDIO
  • [00:34:42] <Downix> or GPIO
  • [00:34:55] <Downix> the IO port on the side of the Beagle
  • [00:35:05] <Downix> (I haven't had anywhere enough caffine tonight)
  • [00:35:17] <ds> darn. SDI would be sweet
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  • [00:36:48] <Downix> mru: I think it would work. I'll at least try it with the beagle when it arrives
  • [00:37:09] <mib_jiwp0l> sorr formating Sd card
  • [00:37:25] <mib_jiwp0l> I tired ti use ubuntu distribution on my boad and its not booting
  • [00:37:47] <mib_jiwp0l> I copied Uimage on fat32 pattion and bult rootfile system
  • [00:37:57] <mib_jiwp0l> in etx3
  • [00:37:59] <Downix> mru: already ordered a SheevaPlug, so have a Marvell w/ GPIO to work with.
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  • [00:41:26] <mru> are thinking of connecting the sheeva to the omap?
  • [00:41:41] <Downix> mru: that has crossed my mind
  • [00:41:48] <Downix> seeing if it's possibke
  • [00:41:57] <mru> there are faster options than gpio for that
  • [00:42:07] <Downix> mru: hrm?
  • [00:42:10] <mru> the omap has a variety of serial protocols
  • [00:42:19] <mru> spi, i2s, i2c
  • [00:42:36] <mru> don't know what the sheeva has
  • [00:42:41] <russ> with 5k buffer
  • [00:42:53] <mru> it's bound to have something faster than gpio
  • [00:43:28] <Downix> mru: gpio, PCIe, TWSI
  • [00:43:41] <Downix> could do a PCIe to spi, i2s or i2c
  • [00:44:22] <russ> why not just link them via USB?
  • [00:44:40] <russ> then the second processor could just function as an ethernet bridge
  • [00:45:22] <Downix> russ: I had thought of that, studying the options
  • [00:45:48] <Downix> how much RAM can the OMAP3 address?
  • [00:45:54] <Downix> hadn't thought to count the lines
  • [00:45:54] <mru> 1GB iirc
  • [00:47:05] <russ> maybe I should patent pop on pop SDRAM cs swizzling so that micron will have to buy it from me
  • [00:47:15] <Downix> heh
  • [00:48:36] <Downix> ok, this is workable
  • [00:49:09] <Downix> the things I do to save Michael $25 worth of production costs....
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  • [00:55:11] <Downix> now, to locate a touchscreen
  • [00:55:27] <Downix> if I do the USB bit, can use a much lower end Sheeva then as the interface, good idea
  • [00:56:06] <ZeZu> eh this cheapo programmer is a failure when it comes to writing 16b eproms :|
  • [00:56:34] <Downix> I don't even know if my old eeprom programmer works anymore
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  • [01:00:25] <Downix> ok, I'm on the right track, thank you all
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  • [01:15:53] <arm> Any one has used any debugging tools via jtag on this board ?
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  • [01:29:38] <djlewis> Im about to turn on my new C2 Beagle for the firwst time, :)
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  • [01:37:42] <A`Adjensenu> Hmm
  • [01:37:56] <A`Adjensenu> got more details on the minicards and what they do
  • [01:38:05] <A`Adjensenu> they're just 3G minicards for various ISP's
  • [01:39:40] <A`Adjensenu> so just need to make a flexible interface that will work with some kind of commodity card for 3G cards
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  • [01:59:00] <arm> Any one has used any debugging tools via jtag on this board ?
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  • [02:42:56] <A`Adjensenu> how are samsung ARM SoCs?
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  • [02:46:34] <raster> how so?
  • [02:46:37] <raster> which ones?
  • [02:47:38] <A`Adjensenu> trying to find out if any of them have a 3D GPU w/ PCIe
  • [02:47:43] <A`Adjensenu> looks like a negative
  • [02:48:31] <raster> not with pcie
  • [02:48:35] <raster> 6410 does have 3d
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  • [02:49:47] * A`Adjensenu nods
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  • [02:50:05] <raster> as such pcie just doesnt exist on soc's
  • [02:50:08] <raster> (pretty much)
  • [02:50:16] <raster> its not the "thing" for embedded
  • [02:50:29] <raster> usb or sdio (or simpler spi and i2c) are
  • [02:51:19] <odesus> are you there dcordes
  • [02:51:24] <odesus> dcordes
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  • [04:45:31] <uberfry> hello everybody
  • [04:45:41] <uberfry> does someone here know how to use DMA on beagleboard?
  • [04:47:22] <ds2> yes
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  • [05:02:59] <djlewis> I had serial port issues with the computer I was going to use.
  • [05:03:30] <djlewis> Had to switch to another comp now wrapping up building SDHC angstron demo
  • [05:05:02] <uberfry> I see
  • [05:05:15] <uberfry> are you the guy who posted in google groups?
  • [05:05:32] <uberfry> ds2: can I write to memory using pins available on beagleboard?
  • [05:05:38] <uberfry> using my fpga or avr for instance
  • [05:06:38] <ds2> no
  • [05:06:49] <ds2> well, maybe.
  • [05:07:10] <uberfry> so I write into spi reg and poll it or what?
  • [05:07:22] <ds2> the SD interface... but your FPGA/AVR will still have tobe the slave
  • [05:07:33] <uberfry> hmmm
  • [05:07:44] <ds2> you can setup the SPI interface as a slave but there is currently no Linux support for that
  • [05:07:55] <uberfry> but doesn't that take too much cpu load?
  • [05:08:06] <uberfry> setting beagle as host though
  • [05:08:16] <ds2> as SPI master, no
  • [05:08:30] <ds2> it can be setup to automatically clock in words and that uses DMA
  • [05:08:38] <uberfry> ic
  • [05:08:43] <uberfry> so is there also interrupts I can use?
  • [05:08:49] <ds2> yes
  • [05:08:53] <uberfry> ahhh nice
  • [05:08:55] <ds2> any of the pins can be setup to interrupt
  • [05:08:59] <uberfry> awesome :)
  • [05:09:37] <uberfry> so I could basically use vsync of my cam as an interrupt, make that trigger a program to read out the camera then read out the avr?
  • [05:10:17] <ds2> yes, but I donno what sort of response time required
  • [05:10:25] <uberfry> I see
  • [05:10:28] <uberfry> well thanks for the idea
  • [05:10:31] <ds2> np
  • [05:10:33] <uberfry> brb gotta drive my sisters to airport
  • [05:10:34] <uberfry> laters
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  • [06:24:51] <djlewis> How are you guys copying MLO and uImage from the angstrom site?
  • [06:31:24] <raster> with chopsticks
  • [06:33:53] <djlewis> yep I thought so.. seriously, those two files want to open in the browser rather than let me save them.
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  • [06:37:50] <fenn> right click?
  • [06:38:51] <despen> What is the max resolution of the beagleboard? And if you want to use a usb wlan card, which is the best chipset to choose?
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  • [06:39:52] <djlewis> right click doesnt offer a save file option, only as link
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  • [06:43:56] <AV500> raster: ping
  • [06:44:14] <raster> pong
  • [06:44:18] <AV500> peng!
  • [06:44:33] <raster> pang
  • [06:44:43] <AV500> spoke with TI about SGX, they say as far as they understand, the SGX should be able to output RGBA in any format
  • [06:45:16] <AV500> as it would them shaders doing that
  • [06:45:23] <AV500> as it would be them shaders doing that
  • [06:45:42] * mckoan|away is now known as mckoan
  • [06:51:32] <russ> AV500: did you then proceed to trick them into giving you specs?
  • [06:55:35] <AV500> :-)
  • [06:56:44] <AV500> no, they just waved their hands and said: "these are not the specs you are looking for" and I walked on happily
  • [06:59:05] <djlewis> I still cant get MLO and uImage from Angstrom site.
  • [06:59:57] <koen> wget ?
  • [07:00:44] <uberfry> ds2: I still need to grab data from a camera... got any idea?
  • [07:00:48] <uberfry> hi AV500 raster btw
  • [07:01:27] <djlewis> I am trying to build my SD with latest angstrom, I can get all but those two.
  • [07:01:46] <raster> AV500: thats what i did... use ths shader to swizzle the src rgba
  • [07:01:56] <AV500> but also dst?
  • [07:02:23] <raster> that'd also be possible
  • [07:02:26] <raster> u can swizzle either end
  • [07:02:30] <raster> i only swizzled going from src
  • [07:02:53] <AV500> k
  • [07:03:00] <AV500> bbl
  • [07:03:10] <raster> dst-wise it was outputting to 16bpp so i didnt care
  • [07:03:14] <raster> it just refused tyo work at all in 32bpp
  • [07:03:17] <raster> and there i had no choice
  • [07:03:23] <raster> as the driver made that call
  • [07:04:10] <russ> uberfry: I usually press the button on the top
  • [07:04:18] <russ> uberfry: but you have to hold it down till it makes a click noise
  • [07:05:05] <russ> djlewis: right click, save link as? right click, copy link location, wget?
  • [07:05:47] <koen> raster: thanks, I extracted the patch to update places instead of bumping SRCREV
  • [07:07:15] <raster> koen: aaah.
  • [07:07:29] <raster> koen: that reminds me.. i need to bump my local srcrev and merge upstream oe patches again
  • [07:07:33] <raster> and should push to my oe branch
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  • [07:12:47] <mib_xiq51c> What the latest rev? and what is being sold at the ESC in San Jose?
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  • [07:12:56] <koen> raster: OE has a stable branch now as well
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  • [07:16:11] <raster> koen: NOOOO! not stable!
  • [07:16:24] <raster> koen: speaking of oe.. oe damn well needs an easier way to set it up
  • [07:18:12] <mib_tlhz09> It appears Rev C2 is being sold at the ESC in San Jose, but Digi-key is sporting Rev 3. Does that sound correct?
  • [07:19:06] <koen> raster: sadly all efforts to make something that takes away the work to install OE endup treating the user as a retard and want to hide bitbake, etc as well
  • [07:19:20] <koen> e.g. the mokomakefile madness
  • [07:19:45] <raster> koen: the problem is... there are people out there who really have major problems setting it up
  • [07:20:16] <raster> something more obvious
  • [07:20:23] <raster> hell a gui front end that wrote out local.conf
  • [07:20:32] <raster> and so on
  • [07:20:37] <raster> select distro from a list
  • [07:20:37] <koen> raster: have you seen http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-??ngstr??m ?
  • [07:20:40] <raster> yup
  • [07:21:01] <koen> local.conf is available from contrib/angstrom :)
  • [07:21:05] <raster> cute url btw
  • [07:21:06] <raster> :)
  • [07:21:21] <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom works as well :)
  • [07:21:55] <koen> raster: I have argued in the past that for newbies they only need to tell 2 things:
  • [07:22:12] <koen> 1) where to install the tree to (e.g. /hugeraid/1/OE)
  • [07:22:25] <koen> 2) which machine they want to build for (e.g. beagleboard)
  • [07:22:42] <koen> that's it :)
  • [07:22:45] <raster> yup
  • [07:22:59] <raster> well for angstrom - yes
  • [07:23:10] <raster> why not then just have a simple tool that does that?
  • [07:23:21] <raster> well ones that force rebuilds
  • [07:23:24] <koen> does an OE newby have an informed opinion on distros?
  • [07:23:26] <raster> that generat4e .bb';s for u
  • [07:23:33] <raster> eg i have a source tree here of my project
  • [07:23:37] <raster> i want that packaged too
  • [07:23:50] <raster> it took me a bit to realise i could use file://home/raster/blah
  • [07:23:53] <raster> as a "src url"
  • [07:24:00] <raster> the problem is - if i am actively editing my src
  • [07:24:03] <raster> and futzing with it
  • [07:24:15] <raster> but i want to build it a few times a day to run on the target as a pkg...
  • [07:24:21] <raster> i know the magic i have to do to make that work
  • [07:24:24] <raster> but most users dont
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  • [07:33:45] <methril|work> good morning
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  • [07:35:10] <mpoullet|work> good morning
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  • [07:54:12] <suihkulokki> does someone have a good idea of the relationship between the ohci/ehci controllers on omap3?
  • [07:54:22] <suihkulokki> and if anyone actaully uses the ohci side?
  • [07:56:14] <djlewis> thanks all, I got my new Rc2 up and running. till another time...
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  • [07:59:21] <mru> morning
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  • [07:59:38] <mru> suihkulokki: there is no ohci controller
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  • [08:06:15] <russ> geez
  • [08:06:29] <russ> now I'm somewhat motivated to make a serial tty proxy pty
  • [08:07:17] <russ> uboot starts, a USB serial device shows up, it boots the kernel, the device goes away, gadget comes up, and another USB device pops up
  • [08:07:22] <russ> minicom can't really keep up
  • [08:08:20] <koen> I wonder if screen can cope with it
  • [08:08:31] * koen stabs minicom
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  • [08:08:58] <russ> dunno, but the functionality of the file descriptors returned by openpty are mystifying me
  • [08:09:18] <russ> I think screen does the opposite, multiplexes several virtual devices to one real device
  • [08:09:51] <russ> openpty gives me a master fd, and a slave fd
  • [08:09:57] <russ> if I write on the master fd
  • [08:10:03] <russ> it gets echo'd on the master fd
  • [08:10:34] <suihkulokki> mru: there is on the TRM
  • [08:10:41] <russ> for a little while....
  • [08:11:10] * suihkulokki will register mru's answer as "nobody uses it"
  • [08:13:52] <russ> koen: I think the main limitation might be no serial break
  • [08:15:17] <koen> is musb-tty in mainline uboot nowadays?
  • [08:17:47] <russ> dunno, I think it might be on the google code downloads
  • [08:19:14] <mru> suihkulokki: I see OTG and ehci, no ohci
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  • [08:19:34] <mru> ah, deeper...
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  • [08:29:45] <rob_k> Hi. Does signal multiplexing for expansion connector on beagle provides only 4 options? Is it possible to choose for pins 2-10 Option B and for rest of pins Option D?
  • [08:30:15] <ds2> mru: there is a USB 1.1 only controller on there
  • [08:30:33] <ds2> rob_k: the options are selected on a per pin basis
  • [08:30:40] <mru> ds2: yes, I found it
  • [08:30:49] <mru> but it's not connected on the beagle
  • [08:30:55] <ds2> yep
  • [08:31:15] <rob_k> ds2 thanks
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  • [08:37:27] <vsr> i have seen the beagle angstrom demos on youtube, when i run them they are very slow, how much memory beagle had in the demos?
  • [08:37:46] <vsr> i use 128mb here
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  • [08:42:44] <koen> vsr: that depends
  • [08:42:59] <koen> vsr: but the ram size doesn't have any influence on the speed
  • [08:43:05] <raster> was about to say that
  • [08:43:08] <raster> what demos are slow?
  • [08:43:18] <raster> the bb is fast as buggery
  • [08:43:18] * koen ran the same with 88MB without a speed hit
  • [08:43:27] <raster> boots like no mans business
  • [08:43:43] <vsr> gimp
  • [08:43:49] <koen> more like a slooooow SD card or something
  • [08:43:51] <raster> oh god
  • [08:43:59] <raster> u expect gimp to work on an embedded cpu?
  • [08:44:24] <vsr> no, when i see that demo, they appeared so fast, i thought i was missing something
  • [08:44:33] <raster> the bb keeps up with a 1ghz via eden system
  • [08:44:42] <raster> with maybe 1/10th the power usage
  • [08:44:53] <koen> gimp launches fast on a fast SD card with hot caches
  • [08:45:08] <raster> oooh
  • [08:45:11] <raster> on your end its slow
  • [08:45:20] <raster> yeah
  • [08:45:22] <raster> possible sd
  • [08:45:23] <raster> try
  • [08:45:30] <vsr> koen: what do you mean by fast sd cards
  • [08:45:46] <vsr> i have transcend and sandisk cards
  • [08:45:49] <koen> vsr: sandisk extreme <big number> or ultra <big number>
  • [08:45:59] <koen> the ones that do 15MB/s
  • [08:46:06] <russ> does it at least say class 6 on it?
  • [08:46:25] <koen> and first launch of gimp is always slow since it needs to build its plugin cache from scratch
  • [08:46:27] * russ oot@beagleboard:~# root@beagleb....
  • [08:46:48] <vsr> yes, when i draw something it takes some time to appear
  • [08:47:05] <raster> echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev
  • [08:47:08] <raster> try that
  • [08:47:14] <raster> errr
  • [08:47:18] <raster> try again
  • [08:47:34] <raster> echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=102400
  • [08:47:37] <raster> that one
  • [08:48:07] <vsr> raster: i will try that and let you know later
  • [08:48:16] <raster> real 0m 6.66s
  • [08:48:21] <raster> is what i get off my microsd
  • [08:48:31] <koen> 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 6.2431 seconds, 16.8 MB/s
  • [08:48:36] <koen> real 0m6.280s
  • [08:48:39] <raster> (about 15.7m/s)
  • [08:48:50] <raster> koen: same then
  • [08:49:04] <raster> as for slow to draw - not sure
  • [08:49:10] <raster> runing 16 or 32bpp?
  • [08:49:21] <vsr> 16
  • [08:49:22] <koen> raster: I wonder how fast the omap3 would be with e.g. the intel x25-e ssd
  • [08:49:25] <raster> it could be gimps tile cache on disk?
  • [08:49:34] <raster> vsr: try 32
  • [08:49:36] <koen> raster: in the theoretical case it supports sata
  • [08:49:46] <raster> koen: assuming u had an sata if...
  • [08:49:53] <raster> hahaha
  • [08:50:01] <raster> koen: how about just have 2 cd cards
  • [08:50:05] <raster> and raid stripe...
  • [08:50:06] <raster> :)
  • [08:50:40] <koen> more like 13 cards :)
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  • [08:53:06] <raster> hahaha
  • [08:53:21] <raster> its a bit of theory.. that isnt likely to come to pass
  • [08:54:00] <russ> since SATA is serial, it seems like a McBSP implementation might be possible
  • [08:54:25] <raster> the flash drive will use more power than the rest of your system
  • [08:54:26] <raster> :)
  • [08:54:40] <eFfeM> if I upgrade a kernel module is the old one for an older version of the kernel gone after the upgrade ?
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  • [08:55:16] <eFfeM> koen the .29 defconfig does not have the network adaptors as y, is that intentional
  • [08:57:17] <eFfeM> .29 ehci patch works with mass storage but i have no network due to the missing kernel module for pegasus
  • [08:57:52] <eFfeM> noticed that ehci could use some work as it depends on u-boot doing some initialisations
  • [08:59:07] <koen> eFfeM: no, that isn't intentional
  • [08:59:26] <eFfeM> should we change ?
  • [09:00:51] <koen> yes
  • [09:00:59] <koen> .29 should match the .28 defconfig
  • [09:01:18] <koen> so maybe it would be easier to copy over the .28 defconfig and run 'make oldconfig'
  • [09:01:33] <eFfeM> probably
  • [09:01:34] <koen> (and disable alignment trapping again)
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  • [09:01:56] <eFfeM> not sure if I have time for that before lunch, if not it will be after 6 pm
  • [09:02:08] <eFfeM> will try to get ehci in before lunch though
  • [09:02:16] <koen> heh, Bifferboard
  • [09:02:26] <eFfeM> bifferboard ?
  • [09:02:32] <koen> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3314447002.html
  • [09:02:37] <koen> 486sx board
  • [09:02:45] <eFfeM> haven't checked linuxdevices today
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  • [09:03:37] <florian> good morning
  • [09:03:39] <eFfeM> interesting board; 36 pounds is about eur 40
  • [09:03:44] <eFfeM> but maybe a little bit slow
  • [09:03:55] * eFfeM might have a copy of windows 98 to run on it :-)
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  • [09:05:48] <koen> bifferboard, babbageboard, what's next?
  • [09:05:51] <koen> buggeryboard?
  • [09:06:08] <eFfeM> bubbleboard :-)
  • [09:06:22] <eFfeM> that vowifi thingie also looks nice
  • [09:06:30] <eFfeM> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8933029510.html
  • [09:07:04] <eFfeM> claims to be cheap, wifi, audio in/out, usb, sdio
  • [09:07:14] <eFfeM> would be ideal to drive my tuxdroid
  • [09:07:14] <koen> "undisclosed price"
  • [09:07:59] <eFfeM> "Claimed to have the lowest bill of materials of any WiFi phone on the market"
  • [09:08:18] <eFfeM> the undisclosed price is for the reference design
  • [09:08:31] <eFfeM> which for some companies cost an arm and a leg
  • [09:08:37] <eFfeM> s/some/most/ :-(
  • [09:09:18] <koen> right
  • [09:09:30] <koen> if there's no price disclosed, it's too expensive
  • [09:09:33] * eFfeM has been looking for a while for a sub $ 30 solution with wifi that can run linux and can steer some gpio pins and preferably has audio
  • [09:09:42] <eFfeM> koen: true
  • [09:10:40] <koen> your free beagle is < $30 :)
  • [09:10:44] <koen> but lacks wifi
  • [09:10:55] <eFfeM> actually it is even a pain to find a real cheap atmel at91 solution or one of those nxp arm-based lpc
  • [09:11:14] <eFfeM> koen, true, but I can add wifi to it for less than $ 30 :-)
  • [09:11:25] <russ> eFfeM: what about a bluetooth<->tty module?
  • [09:11:44] <eFfeM> but the idea is to have a small board to put into tuxdroid (www.kysoh.com)) and make it a standalone device
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  • [09:11:58] <russ> eFfeM: I would look into the wifi device on the OLPC
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  • [09:12:24] <eFfeM> most of those are miniPCI cards or with onboard chipsets
  • [09:12:30] <eFfeM> wifi itself is not too expensive
  • [09:12:37] <eFfeM> but i do not want to develop hw
  • [09:12:51] <eFfeM> my hw experience is from the 7400 era
  • [09:13:18] <eFfeM> and BC109 transistors
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  • [09:13:35] <russ> Marvell 88W8388 802.11 wireless module?
  • [09:14:55] <eFfeM> is that readily available and can it run linux? I've been looking at 88w8618, but i was never able to buy boards based onto it
  • [09:15:11] <russ> I'm not sure if it can
  • [09:15:12] <vsr> raster, koen: my sd speed is around 11MBPS
  • [09:15:13] * eFfeM has one from an old project but that company disappeared
  • [09:15:13] <russ> http://www.zcomax.com/embedded.htm#XG-182M
  • [09:15:44] <raster> vsr: not too bad
  • [09:15:59] <koen> raster: how does e handle multiple batteries?
  • [09:16:10] <koen> raster: both use the kernel powersupply class
  • [09:16:44] <eFfeM> actually probably it is cheaper to find a wrt54gl and use/disassemble that one
  • [09:16:47] <vsr> everytime i run it gives a different value between 8MB/s to 14MB/s
  • [09:18:14] <koen> raster: like this: http://pastebin.com/m62697bd
  • [09:18:27] <eFfeM> russ: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/88W8388: The 88W8388 is a wireless controller chip made by Marvell. It is part of the unliberated Libertas chip family. Outside of this page, it is undocumented
  • [09:18:37] <eFfeM> which is a problem with a lot of marvell stuff.
  • [09:19:01] <eFfeM> it is only with sheevaplug that they seem to become aware that there is something more than big companies
  • [09:19:17] <koen> does marvell still require an NDA for their catalog?
  • [09:19:21] <eFfeM> they used to be very non-information sharing and were picky with NDA's
  • [09:19:28] <eFfeM> koen, not sure
  • [09:19:41] <koen> "what arm chips to you have?" "plz sign nda, ktnxbye"
  • [09:19:42] * eFfeM dealt with them in the past, they are a p**n in the *ss
  • [09:19:57] <eFfeM> and eFfeM works for a large company
  • [09:23:03] <eFfeM> ehci mass storage and network works, checking it in now
  • [09:23:06] <eFfeM> for .29
  • [09:24:09] <raster> koen: yup.
  • [09:24:19] <raster> koen: as many batteries as you have that the kernel exports
  • [09:24:36] <raster> koen: it merges them into a single power supply blob internally
  • [09:24:41] <raster> so if 1 battery is full, the other empty
  • [09:24:49] <russ> eFfeM: thats why I said to look at the olpc implementation
  • [09:24:51] <raster> and both have the same capacity - e will report 50% full
  • [09:24:56] <raster> (for example)
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  • [09:25:38] <eFfeM> russ true, that would help
  • [09:26:00] <AV500> eFfeM: fully ack on Marvell :-)
  • [09:26:08] <koen> raster: ah, but one is the backup battery, which is of no interest
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  • [09:26:32] <koen> raster: my problem is that E complains about an empty battery, when the main one is "full" and connected to AC
  • [09:27:10] <raster> hmm
  • [09:27:18] <eFfeM> ehci patch is now pushed, feel free to give it a try
  • [09:27:32] <eFfeM> will look at defconfig tonight if no-one does so before
  • [09:27:33] <raster> have u told the battey to use internal instead of default or hal
  • [09:27:39] <eFfeM> and might try to fix up some ehci things
  • [09:27:41] <raster> (right lcik on battery gadget and get config panel)
  • [09:27:43] <eFfeM> no promise though
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  • [09:33:54] <russ> koen: I'm making progress :)
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  • [09:41:08] <hrw> morning
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  • [09:55:39] <koen> raster: I haven't changed the battery option
  • [09:56:53] <koen> raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e49ba7e9540c61148d4fb1b3d31a83c9.png
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  • [10:01:03] <raster> koen: it may be getting hal data
  • [10:01:08] <raster> if hal is reporting a battery
  • [10:01:13] <raster> try "internal"
  • [10:01:26] <raster> which will force e's own battery fetcher (batget) to do the work
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  • [10:05:16] <koen> raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1e310b90be5e0ae7935a85a818139244.png
  • [10:05:32] <raster> hmm
  • [10:05:35] <koen> raster: I'm just going to accept that I won't get something meaningfull for battery status :)
  • [10:05:35] <raster> its not happy with something
  • [10:05:58] <raster> i guess the rest now is dependant on what /sys/class/power/* says...
  • [10:05:59] <raster> :)
  • [10:06:27] <koen> this is how it looks like on the device: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3406819626/
  • [10:06:39] <raster> ewwww
  • [10:06:43] <raster> man thats ugly
  • [10:07:09] <koen> there's a full size DVI port on there as well :)
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  • [10:09:24] <russ> koen: http://gitorious.org/projects/clonetty/repos/mainline/trees/master
  • [10:10:01] <russ> koen: I've only tried it with a USB serial device, I haven't had a chance to see how it works with the usb gadget on the beagle board
  • [10:13:36] <koen> sweet
  • [10:14:22] <koen> russ: how is your PM quest coming along?
  • [10:14:43] <russ> a little better, old versions of u-boot aparently really suck
  • [10:14:56] <russ> I updated my u-boot version and now all domains are going into their power state
  • [10:15:06] <russ> but the only regulator that is turning off is the MMC one
  • [10:15:16] <russ> so I'm getting a little under 60mA@5V
  • [10:16:09] <koen> is that with cpufreq + cpuidle or suspend?
  • [10:16:45] <russ> its without cpufreq
  • [10:16:54] <russ> its with mem > /sys/power/state
  • [10:17:27] <koen> russ: this is my usecase: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/Beaglecube.pdf
  • [10:18:48] <russ> I'd think the musb bandwidth would be a bummer
  • [10:18:49] <hrw> koen: nice
  • [10:19:33] <russ> I would consider making the master a device within qemu
  • [10:19:43] <AV500> tomba: ping
  • [10:19:44] <hrw> russ: you are insane then
  • [10:20:00] <russ> that bad?
  • [10:20:09] <hrw> qemu/arm is slow
  • [10:20:24] <hrw> you can run distccd on x86 too
  • [10:20:26] <russ> my use case is demoing PASR for a paper
  • [10:20:29] <hrw> bb in few
  • [10:20:38] <koen> russ: due to the bridging setup the master needs to be the beagle
  • [10:20:47] * koen frowns at his grammar
  • [10:21:10] <russ> but my demo will suck if the board can't get its sleep power usage down to what it should be
  • [10:21:32] <koen> what's your target? 10mA?
  • [10:21:41] <russ> hopefully somewhere under that
  • [10:21:54] <russ> I only expect to save half a milliamp with PASR
  • [10:23:56] <koen> "Preparatory Action for Security Research"?
  • [10:24:12] <russ> partial array self refresh
  • [10:24:40] <russ> the memory will only refresh 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, or 1/2 of the system memory
  • [10:24:55] <tomba> AV500: pong
  • [10:25:14] <koen> russ: so push all data into the first 32MB and only refresh that?
  • [10:25:23] <russ> yup
  • [10:25:25] <russ> use compcache
  • [10:25:28] <russ> drop all the caches
  • [10:25:58] <russ> and then ask the memory hotplug subsystem to try to fit everything in 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, or give up
  • [10:28:24] <russ> I'll need to change the memory configuration so that I can mark the upper 240MB as an UNMOVABLE zone
  • [10:29:30] <russ> er, make that ZONE_MOVABLE
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  • [10:43:10] <recalcati> so, I can buy revC. Instead gumstix is still omap silicon revB ?
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  • [10:50:11] <mru> recalcati: rev b,c etc is for the beagle board
  • [10:50:23] <mru> the omap chip has revisions like ES2.1 or ES3.0
  • [10:53:30] <recalcati> mru: yes, I was saying that, I know also the chip can be in B revision, that should be ES2X , and D revision, that should be ES3.0
  • [10:54:13] <koen> beagle revB7 is ES3.0
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  • [10:55:14] <koen> I only have an overo beta unit, so that probably isn't a good way to tell which ES revision is on their boards
  • [10:55:59] <recalcati> I have bought, due to buyer depart. , a revB7. I shuold have a fix LCD port
  • [10:56:17] <recalcati> So I'll can do 1280x720p@50
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  • [10:59:34] <russ> koen: did you test clonetty?
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  • [11:03:44] <AV500> tomba: I figured out what the dss2 problem was. nothing to do with clocks in the end. we use v4l with userptr memory and have no static buffer allocated for vid1 and vid2 overlays.
  • [11:04:22] <AV500> so when userspace does enable an overlay, it might not yet have an addr!=0 assigned which would happen from the v4l isr.
  • [11:04:33] <AV500> and of course, addr is not in SDRAM and the DSS cannot access it.
  • [11:04:40] <AV500> addr = 0 that is.
  • [11:05:03] <koen> russ: not yet
  • [11:05:30] <russ> koen: btw, what do you need to do to make a cdc/serial composite device? Just enable both kernel options?
  • [11:06:03] <koen> russ: CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE=y
  • [11:06:13] <koen> russ: it's it's own gadget
  • [11:06:20] <AV500> tomba: you might consider http://pastebin.com/m76495eb1
  • [11:06:27] <AV500> it does 2 things:
  • [11:06:40] <AV500> lowlevel is returns an error if the address is not ok
  • [11:07:01] <AV500> high level, it will not try to enable an overlay that has addr=0 (but not throw an error)
  • [11:07:51] <tomba> AV500: ok, I'll make that change
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  • [11:16:19] <russ> koen: udev isn't making the ttyGS0 device on my target :(
  • [11:16:49] <russ> ah, usbmon0
  • [11:18:46] <tomba> AV500: I made the lowlevel change, as it's good to verify it. but I don't quite agree with the other change. I don't think DSS should accept 0 as a buffer pointer, it's a bug in the user then
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  • [11:34:49] <AV500> tomba: fine with me, any of the 2 checks prevents a DSS error
  • [11:36:25] <AV500> I made the check in display.c not throw an error so that one missconfigured overlay would not prevent the applying of the others
  • [11:37:52] <tomba> AV500: I made a paddr == 0 check to ovl->set_overlay_info() also. that should make the error to be found a bit earlier
  • [11:38:11] <tomba> and also per overlay, not "globally"
  • [11:38:21] <Downix> ok, hit a solution w/o needing overkill from Marvell
  • [11:38:31] <AV500> tomba: ok
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  • [11:38:54] <tomba> koen: and everybody else: I've rebased my DSS tree to latest l-o. Also squashed the commits. Old master branch is available in master-old.
  • [11:38:54] <AV500> when will you put dss2 into tonis kernel?
  • [11:39:12] <tomba> AV500: I don't know... DSS2 is still so broken =).
  • [11:39:23] <AV500> what areas are so broken?
  • [11:40:03] <tomba> this apply/configuration scheme that you mentioned. the device model. locking.
  • [11:40:24] <AV500> well, compared to what what there previously.... :-)
  • [11:40:32] <AV500> I doubt that it is so broken
  • [11:41:49] <tomba> I'm a code-perfectionist, but I think those 3 things should be at least fixed first
  • [11:41:59] <tomba> I've done some work on all of them, but they are big changes
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  • [11:56:52] <Downix> grr, this whole "nobody uses PCIe" thing is fustrating...
  • [11:59:33] <Downix> **checks on the speed of spi**
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  • [12:00:29] <AV500> Downix: to do what?
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  • [12:03:40] <Downix> AV500: trying to come up with a proposal to re-use my companies existing Minicard solution in a handheld, rather than paying someone to build a whole new system for each of the 5 possible cards we use
  • [12:04:09] <AV500> what do the cards do?
  • [12:04:30] <AV500> can the cards do usb as well? or only pcie
  • [12:04:41] <Downix> some are just 3G cards, others are control cards, one is a local secured network card hardwired to the network
  • [12:04:47] <Downix> varies per-card
  • [12:05:13] <Downix> they won't give me the cards exact specs, only that they use the minicard standard
  • [12:05:31] <Downix> as per usual, not running with full knowledge
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  • [12:06:10] <Downix> hmm
  • [12:06:14] <Downix> **cheats**
  • [12:06:29] <Downix> they might not tell me, but the 3rd party vendors we buy them from might
  • [12:08:24] <Downix> ok, looks like 4 of them can use either the PCIe or USB, and the one that won't use USB there is an alternative from the vendor
  • [12:08:27] <Downix> tyvm AV500!
  • [12:08:46] <Downix> got so wrapped up in the PCIe neglected to even look at the USB
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  • [12:14:14] <russ> koen: any clue what console argument I should use for ACM?
  • [12:18:39] <russ> bah
  • [12:18:45] <russ> I install the u-boot with acm support
  • [12:19:02] <russ> something is spamming it with AT commands, I think its network manager
  • [12:19:36] <koen> heh
  • [12:19:41] <russ> AT+GCAT+
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  • [12:24:02] <russ> thats odd
  • [12:24:13] <russ> the AT commands come out before the ttyACM0 device file appears
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  • [12:27:53] <russ> god damned AT commands
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  • [12:32:25] <russ> koen: why does this stuff show up as ttyACM instead of ttyUSB?
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  • [12:41:46] <koen> probably because it's using the ACM profile (e.g. 'driverless' like rndis and uvc)
  • [12:42:02] <koen> how does uboot show up?
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  • [13:01:09] <russ> koen: u-boot is advertising that it can speak AT
  • [13:01:15] <russ> I'll send a patch to sakoman
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  • [13:01:46] <koen> heh
  • [13:02:50] <russ> does that go to the beagleboard list, omap list, u-boot list, or just to sakoman?
  • [13:03:13] <koen> beagle, u-boot and sakoman I guess
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  • [13:46:00] <recalcati> anydoby knows if adobe flash 10 will be in beta release for Linux ?
  • [13:46:35] <AV500> yes
  • [13:46:56] <AV500> but the real question is "when" :-)
  • [13:47:11] <recalcati> so we'll have something runnable in angstrom ? binary compatible
  • [13:47:34] <AV500> 2011 for sure!
  • [13:48:01] <recalcati> too late
  • [13:48:15] <AV500> when do you need it?
  • [13:49:26] <raster> yesterday
  • [13:49:34] <raster> (isn't that always the answer?)
  • [13:49:46] <recalcati> today
  • [13:50:41] <recalcati> I know there are Bsquare, Calsoft e Bluestreak doing something commercial: I think flash lite. I don't know the effort to integrate it with midori or epiphany
  • [13:53:42] <AV500> well, you need to get a license from adobe
  • [13:54:06] <recalcati> don't worry
  • [13:54:09] <AV500> bluestreak has their own flash, so you need a license from them
  • [13:54:17] <recalcati> ok sure
  • [13:54:58] <recalcati> another I saw, also woth webkit 1.1.4, that for example the gmail chat doesn't work in midori
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  • [14:00:17] <koen> recalcati: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4997cc868234a2951728919a9508d37f.png
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  • [14:05:20] <koen> recalcati: that's with libwebkit-1.0-2 - 1.1.4+svnr42127-r0.1 -
  • [14:07:44] <raster> gaaaah!
  • [14:07:50] <raster> and rokre6 distro is broken
  • [14:07:55] <raster> why does qemu always break
  • [14:08:05] <raster> errr machine conf i mean
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  • [14:09:29] <raster> oooh
  • [14:09:34] <raster> it doesnt build a kernel
  • [14:09:41] <raster> and without kernel headers.. qemu fails
  • [14:09:47] <raster> epic fail!
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  • [14:10:37] <koen> raster: well, linux-ezx got changed by the brokenmoko gang
  • [14:11:46] <raster> fools...
  • [14:12:59] <raster> DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1"
  • [14:13:01] <raster> DUH!
  • [14:13:06] <raster> they just disabled the kernel entirely
  • [14:13:09] <raster> wtf
  • [14:13:30] <raster> how can u expect to build anything that vaguely ever needs a kernel header.. which ends up being a lot of poo..
  • [14:13:49] <koen> raster: try 'linux-libc-headers', qemu should like those
  • [14:14:04] <raster> noo
  • [14:14:11] <raster> but i should have a kernelz anyway
  • [14:14:16] <raster> crpa
  • [14:14:23] <raster> do i have to start maintaining more platforms?
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  • [14:17:57] <Hrww> shit.. my 7port usb hub has flacky power connector... so beagleboard reboots randomly due to lack of power ;(
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  • [14:24:00] <mru> recalcati: my advice is to stay far, far away from flash
  • [14:24:59] <AV500> mru: tell that to the interweb!
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  • [14:26:29] <mru> the flashlist source code is 10-20% ifdefs
  • [14:26:55] <mru> meaning 10-20% of all lines are an ifdef line, not that that amount of code is under an ifdef
  • [14:26:55] <AV500> mru: sigh, tell me about it
  • [14:27:14] <mru> some functions are almost 50% ifdef lines
  • [14:27:52] <mru> fortunatly my manager believed me when I said it was impossible to make it work
  • [14:28:18] <raster> if only flash would slink awya and die
  • [14:28:22] <raster> horribly
  • [14:28:24] <raster> in a corner
  • [14:28:31] <xndr> lol
  • [14:28:33] <mru> so now my work is just dull and pointless instead of impossible...
  • [14:28:35] <raster> flash will kill an chance of power effiicency
  • [14:28:42] <raster> it relies on a continually looping mainloop
  • [14:29:00] <raster> i believe numebers were like 800 wakeups/sec
  • [14:29:01] <mru> it tells you the rate it wants to be called
  • [14:29:07] <raster> from what i remember hearing
  • [14:29:21] <raster> or up to
  • [14:29:25] <raster> but it still relies on it
  • [14:29:40] <mru> are you talking about flash or flashlite?
  • [14:29:41] <raster> no form of event driven timers/animators
  • [14:29:48] <raster> flash plugin
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  • [14:30:08] <mru> I've only messed with flashlite
  • [14:30:22] <AV500> mru: so have we, but hey it'S working :-_)
  • [14:32:19] <koen> khasim: heh, I didn't think the 'go' command would be broken :)
  • [14:32:35] <koen> khasim: that means my 1.2.x uboot with propermachine ID might have worked :)
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  • [14:33:37] <mru> AV500: I guess working is a relative term
  • [14:33:53] <AV500> it consumed cpu power and renders nice ads :-)
  • [14:34:19] <hrw> speaking of uboot... which version is safe for bb b7?
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  • [14:34:58] <koen> hrw: the one from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ :)
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  • [14:35:18] <hrw> koen: procedure of update is also present there?
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  • [14:35:37] <hrw> yes, it is
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  • [14:38:40] <hrw> U-Boot 2009.01-00013-g52eddcd (Feb 03 2009 - 22:22:56)
  • [14:38:44] <hrw> thx koen
  • [14:39:05] <hrw> koen: it lacks history support
  • [14:39:17] <koen> I know
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  • [14:39:54] <hrw> +#define CONFIG_CMDLINE_EDITING in include/configs/omap3_beagle.h should change it
  • [14:40:32] <koen> recalcati: what isn't working gmail for you with midori?
  • [14:40:52] <hrw> koen: google talk part of gmail iirc
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  • [14:44:46] <koen> gtalk contact list seems to be working: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d653f7c6388dfb45ca6c559140ba5dca.png
  • [14:45:00] <koen> can't really test since RP is away :)
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  • [14:46:20] <hrw> koen: you can use gtalk with anyone xmpp;)
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  • [14:49:46] <koen> hmmm
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  • [14:55:44] <djlewis> good morning
  • [14:56:54] <djlewis> my Beagle is alive. left it on all night and its little heart is beating very strongly.
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  • [15:00:19] * raster crushes the little beagles heart with a potato masher
  • [15:00:49] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/tmp/bb.jpg - current setup is ugly
  • [15:01:17] <raster> hrw: big box
  • [15:01:18] <raster> small b
  • [15:01:43] <AV500> there is space for 3 more BBs at least
  • [15:01:51] <raster> and a cat
  • [15:02:29] <hrw> for now I have to fit usb hub inside, make one power connector for BB and hub, fit usb-ethernet and few other things.
  • [15:02:39] <hrw> who knows - maybe 2nd bb will be there one day
  • [15:02:58] <recalcati> koen: midori and webkit 1.1.4, if you try to write messages and chat with someone, it not works
  • [15:04:35] <hrw> usb 2-1.4: device v0a46 p9601 is not supported
  • [15:04:52] <hrw> what that means? it gets that usb-ethnet card working anyway
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  • [15:07:45] <hrw> btw - is it normal that OTG port do not recognize devices which were re-plugged during working system?
  • [15:08:41] <hrw> had to disconnect from otg port plug to get them recognized
  • [15:09:02] <hrw> I use mini-B -> A cable + A-A gender changer to connect hub to OTG port
  • [15:09:44] <adj> gender changers are evil
  • [15:10:47] <recalcati> koen: see you afterwards. now I go home. I have to run some browser .. I also have to learn to debug webkit.
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  • [15:17:37] <hrw> adj: usb host cables are available in .hk or .cn ;(
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  • [15:19:31] <adj> i found mine from .uk
  • [15:19:55] <adj> but the fact remains that they can't usually be bought from local stores
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  • [15:21:24] <hrw> I have to order some mini-A/B plugs so will solder such cables by my own
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  • [16:09:42] <koen> ogra: are the babbage boards available to the public nowadays?
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  • [16:09:56] <ogra> no idea
  • [16:10:06] <ogra> i havent met actual communioty users
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  • [16:10:10] <ogra> *community
  • [16:11:05] <ogra> (which is a shame indeed, since its the hw we offer live images for in ubuntu)
  • [16:12:02] <koen> I'm trying to get my hands on one, but noone has a clue where to get them from for "public access"
  • [16:14:17] <hrw> koen: it is i.mx51 board?
  • [16:14:54] <mru> which cortex-a8 rev does the i.mx51 use?
  • [16:15:25] <mru> it's an r2, but which pX?
  • [16:16:24] <hrw> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/3407272062/ - cleaner ver of pic
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  • [16:19:15] <koen> hrw: yes mx51
  • [16:19:23] <ogra> right
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  • [16:20:31] <hrw> ogra: any info about how much it costs?
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  • [16:21:37] * ogra points to http://www.notebooks.com/2009/01/07/new-generation-of-netbooks-199-and-299-eight-hour-battery-sexy-design/
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  • [16:25:12] <koen> if they really are $199 I'd buy one
  • [16:25:20] <hrw> so do I
  • [16:25:24] <hrw> but will they be?
  • [16:25:37] <koen> atm I'll go for a touchbook
  • [16:25:47] <koen> 15 hours :)
  • [16:25:47] * mru hopes they're not r2p0...
  • [16:25:59] <hrw> koen: I would go for touchbook but only with videoout
  • [16:26:07] <mru> I'll buy a touchbook certainly
  • [16:26:44] <mru> it looks good and gregoire is a nice guy
  • [16:27:03] <koen> if it will have video out it will most likely be dvi, so not usefull for conferences
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  • [16:27:23] <hrw> koen: it depends on kind of projector
  • [16:27:30] <hrw> more and more ones have dvi
  • [16:27:46] <koen> it depends on which cables they run to the place where my laptop is
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  • [16:29:11] <koen> drat, I broke gnome stuff that also uses eds
  • [16:29:23] <koen> it doesn't have eds in DEPENDS, though
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  • [16:51:07] <uberfry> f'ing hell
  • [16:51:16] <uberfry> new netbooks only linux
  • [16:51:18] <uberfry> bahh :(
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  • [16:54:24] <mpoullet|work> gb
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  • [17:13:41] <garren> morning all
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  • [17:18:41] <koen> heh
  • [17:18:43] <koen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KEshQ6ZcDE
  • [17:18:58] <koen> ddompe: check that video :)
  • [17:19:18] <ddompe> koen: I already did
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  • [17:23:58] <koen> ddompe: I forgot that the link was sent thru the leopard mailinglist :)
  • [17:24:19] <ddompe> koen: thanks anyway, appreciate you keep me on the loop
  • [17:24:20] <ddompe> ;)
  • [17:28:55] <koen> ddompe: nara said sub $100 for the complete system, right?
  • [17:29:15] <ddompe> right
  • [17:29:28] <ddompe> I was notified from other source that target would be 99
  • [17:29:31] <marty_can> does the release C of the beagleboard is officialy in sale?
  • [17:30:52] <like2wise> koen: "very near to hundred dollars"
  • [17:31:16] <like2wise> koen: and thanks for the link, makes my muscles relax again :-)
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  • [17:32:13] <koen> like2wise: curled toes?
  • [17:32:49] <like2wise> koen: mostly stumach - saw a big accident on the highway today
  • [17:33:04] <koen> eeew
  • [17:34:11] * koen needs to go to rotterdam tomorrow
  • [17:34:24] <koen> 200km of highway "joy"
  • [17:36:11] <mru> you could take the train
  • [17:36:31] * mru has had generally good experiences with dutch trains
  • [17:36:44] <mru> maybe I was just lucky
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  • [17:38:15] <koen> I could, except I have to lug around a lot of stuff for work
  • [17:39:27] <koen> as in 48 dummy bulletproof vests, a real version and accesoires for people with funny bodyshapes
  • [17:39:39] <koen> hmmm
  • [17:40:09] <koen> I'm training a new guy, so he could carry all the stuff
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  • [17:50:35] <like2wise> koen: how many vests can one man wear? :-)
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  • [17:56:22] <koen> like2wise: one should be enough :)
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  • [18:02:16] <recalcati> morning
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  • [18:14:26] <_AV500_> gm
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  • [18:23:43] <koen> there, patch q down to 2 patches :)
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  • [18:33:24] <recalcati> koen: gmail works in html base mode
  • [18:33:34] <recalcati> maps works
  • [18:35:45] <koen> yeah, that's what I test when upgrading :)
  • [18:36:32] <recalcati> video plugin doesn't work. from google video for example, It appears a big "play" logo and then if I press it become white
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  • [18:40:04] <hrw> re
  • [18:40:23] <eFfeM> koen, looking at defconfig, i decided to make some of the new drivers into modules (like wimax)
  • [18:41:28] <eFfeM> TWL4030 Power button Driver will be Y
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  • [18:45:00] <eFfeM> koen, squashfs as module? or y ?
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  • [18:45:58] <koen> no strong opininion on squashfs
  • [18:46:24] <hrw> I would module
  • [18:46:35] <eFfeM> decided for y, squashfs is typically for the rootfs su to very useful as module :-)
  • [18:46:37] <hrw> eFfeM: enable printk_time
  • [18:46:50] <recalcati> I vote for module
  • [18:47:10] <hrw> koen: you still works in bulletproof vests business?
  • [18:49:44] <eFfeM> recalcati: squash as module?
  • [18:49:44] <koen> hrw: yes
  • [18:49:59] <eFfeM> will add printk_time, quite useful
  • [18:50:16] <recalcati> but if you think is usefull is ok
  • [18:50:33] <recalcati> I normally use ext2 or ext3
  • [18:50:42] <recalcati> as rootfs
  • [18:50:51] <recalcati> or nfsroot
  • [18:51:36] <eFfeM> well for nand often people use squashfs as r/o rootfs and a jffs2 for other data
  • [18:51:44] <eFfeM> but of course now there is ubi as alternative
  • [18:51:47] <koen> ubifs!
  • [18:52:02] <recalcati> or jffs2
  • [18:52:04] * eFfeM never compared/benchmarked it wiht squash or jffs2
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  • [18:52:45] <recalcati> i'll move to jffs2 in newer nand product
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  • [18:53:00] <recalcati> and squash
  • [18:54:16] * koen dislikes jffs2 because of slow mount time, high memory usage and the need to leave a non-trivial amount of space empty
  • [18:54:32] <eFfeM> the embedded devices i worked on all had squash+jffs2, but of course there was no ubi then
  • [18:54:43] <koen> ubi is quite new indeed
  • [18:54:49] <eFfeM> koen there is a patch that speeds up mounting, but I think it is in the mainline by now
  • [18:55:02] <koen> tried it, still slow :)
  • [18:55:31] <recalcati> koen: eFfeM : yes, but I was on nor and pxa2xx
  • [18:55:37] <eFfeM> jffs2 summary patch
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  • [18:55:52] <recalcati> and 2.6.26
  • [18:55:53] <eFfeM> it it not the fastest, but better than before
  • [18:55:59] <eFfeM> still want to look at ubi
  • [18:56:02] <koen> eFfeM: summary takes extra space and is only for the initial fs generation
  • [18:56:04] * eFfeM wants too much things
  • [18:56:13] <koen> eFfeM: it can't update 'on-the-fly'
  • [18:56:15] <eFfeM> summary also improves mount time
  • [18:56:41] <eFfeM> we had a system without it, after applying it the mount time reduced big
  • [18:56:56] <eFfeM> don't have the exact details wrt timing committed to memory
  • [18:59:10] <recalcati> I also had a lot of pb with jffs2 on nor because, when you delete/write/delete many times big amount of memory it arrives a moment the the defrag is started automatically and it need many minutes.
  • [18:59:51] <eFfeM> never had a system with nor i think; nor is more expensive than nand and we're penny wise
  • [19:00:04] <recalcati> I solved it remounting after a big deleting of files. the remount automatically clean the flash
  • [19:00:20] <eFfeM> no takers ?
  • [19:00:23] <recalcati> I now.... we are changing systems
  • [19:00:36] <koen> recalcati: jffs2 rebuilds the complete inode tree on mount
  • [19:00:43] <dcordes_> if you get a usb0 interface, what does that reveal about the usb status? I have an externally powered hub on my B4's usb. I'd like usb to be in host mode
  • [19:00:45] <koen> recalcati: hence the long mount times and high memory usage
  • [19:00:58] <eFfeM> you guys disappoint me; thought someone would come up that we're pound foolish :-)
  • [19:01:07] <dcordes_> ..one time the hub was shown in lsusb
  • [19:02:02] <eFfeM> is the git version of .29 fairly recent? or should I move to something newer?
  • [19:02:07] <recalcati> now we'll have probably DM365 for medium line and OMP35x fir high line of products
  • [19:03:01] <recalcati> first year I should probably use MV kernel, but I try not to use it
  • [19:03:20] <recalcati> 9k euro is not nothing
  • [19:03:24] <koen> eFfeM: ~2 weeks old or so
  • [19:03:52] * koen is thinking of the amount of steak 9k??? can buy
  • [19:04:09] <eFfeM> koen, should I go to a newer version
  • [19:04:15] <hrw> dcordes_: buy otg-host cable or hack standard one
  • [19:04:17] <eFfeM> koen, 3 full cows
  • [19:04:46] <koen> eFfeM: have a look at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git
  • [19:04:47] <dcordes_> hrw: I have a hacked one where the one side has the host connector
  • [19:05:21] <hrw> dcordes_: and has 4+5 pins shorted?
  • [19:05:45] <dcordes_> hrw: I think so. it has the extra pin. didn't change anything about the connector
  • [19:05:47] <eFfeM> koen, go to the head? or the one tagged 2.6.29
  • [19:06:03] <hrw> dcordes_: then check it again
  • [19:06:18] <dcordes_> hrw: check what? the cable wiring?
  • [19:06:19] <koen> eFfeM: moving the .29 and _git recipes to head wouldn't hurt, it seems to fix mcbsp
  • [19:06:33] <hrw> dcordes_: pin shorted
  • [19:06:45] <dcordes_> lol I will try
  • [19:07:11] <recalcati> in drivers/video/modedb.c there is not 1280x720 . it doesn't work on sony bravia. if I put echo "dvi e:1 u:1 t:0 h:1280/110/220/40 v:720/20/5/5 p:72000" > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/displays
  • [19:07:45] <recalcati> I have a cropped frame buffer working on bravia, but I see not good video on samsung
  • [19:07:46] <mru> the bravias are stupidly picky about timings
  • [19:08:15] <recalcati> mru: they adapt to my strange timings
  • [19:08:27] <recalcati> samsung not
  • [19:08:42] <mru> hmm.. I've observed the opposite
  • [19:09:24] <recalcati> omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60
  • [19:10:19] <recalcati> with 2.6.28-r18 I see nothing ans fbset tells me 64mhx px clk
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  • [19:14:50] <dcordes_> mru: so if the usb 4 and 5 are not shorted, the newer kernel automatically select usb networking mode?
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  • [19:18:33] <hrw> dcordes_: yes
  • [19:19:07] <eFfeM> koen, was sidetracked, actually the .29 recipe *is* a git recipe
  • [19:19:41] <eFfeM> recipe is linux-omap_2.6.29.bb
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  • [19:19:55] <hrw> hi Gary
  • [19:22:30] <dcordes_> hm I will build the OE kernel and try hardcoding it with config
  • [19:23:06] <koen> eFfeM: right, all linux-omap_2.6.X are git recipes :)
  • [19:24:06] <eFfeM> ah ok
  • [19:25:01] <eFfeM> we'll make the .29 to be the one that is tagged .29? or the current head in the git ?
  • [19:25:20] <recalcati> passing from revB6 to revB7 1280x720@60 could be work?
  • [19:25:35] <koen> in the pasts we moved it around for fixes righ up to the point where tony would merge in the -rc kernels
  • [19:26:14] <koen> eFfeM: since tony will tag -omap1 when people declare it stable enough
  • [19:26:42] <eFfeM> that is not done yet
  • [19:27:24] <koen> right :)
  • [19:27:35] <dcordes_> so what's the way to get host-only usb? is that configurable in the current OE kernel?
  • [19:27:43] <eFfeM> i'll update to the head, there are some twl things in it
  • [19:27:50] <eFfeM> dcordes_: afaik: yes
  • [19:28:59] <eFfeM> koen I need the commit srcrev, not the tree one, I assume
  • [19:29:01] <koen> there's a sysfs node to change mode
  • [19:29:12] <koen> eFfeM: yes
  • [19:29:44] <tomba> btw, the latest dss2 tree has support for wider video timings on ES3.0+
  • [19:29:56] <eFfeM> ok will build that one and commit it together with the modified defconfig
  • [19:30:07] <koen> tomba: >= ES3.0 or >ES3.0?
  • [19:30:25] <eFfeM> afk
  • [19:30:27] <like2wise> tomba: wider to what extend?
  • [19:30:39] <koen> like2wise: wider registers
  • [19:30:44] <tomba> >=. although no official source has stated that, but works on my SDP board which has ES3.0
  • [19:31:00] <like2wise> koen: not wider pixel clock range? :-)
  • [19:31:06] <koen> nope :)
  • [19:31:14] * like2wise just keeps trying :-)
  • [19:31:31] <recalcati> with revB7 u-boot can write splah image on bravia
  • [19:31:44] <like2wise> koen: that reminds me, I should really try the A board tomorrow...
  • [19:32:42] <tomba> new beagle has ES3.0 doesn't it? now somebody should write support for EDID also
  • [19:33:20] <koen> tomba: B7 and all revC should have ES3.x
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  • [19:33:49] <like2wise> tomba: what's the hard part for EDID? Read I2C registers, calculate timing?
  • [19:34:04] <recalcati> revB7 + 2.6.29 no image using omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60 , but I have splash image from u-boot.. strange
  • [19:34:10] <koen> tomba had a proof of concept patch
  • [19:34:37] <tomba> like2wise: there's edid framework already in kernel, but it doesn't quite work with omap's i2c framework. and then figuring out the proper way to handle those values
  • [19:35:23] <hrw> koen: good to know (b7 & es3.0)
  • [19:35:52] <tomba> recalcati: if I recall right, there's no 1280x720 mode in modedb.c. I guess it conjures something up, but the timings can be quite nonstandard.
  • [19:36:20] <recalcati> tomba: yes, there is not
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  • [19:38:09] <tomba> also, I think there's a bug in modedb when there is a mode. it has hfp and hbp wrong way around. (or some other pair of values, can't remember)
  • [19:38:13] <recalcati> in spruf98b manual it is declared that HD720 works. Standard CEA 861-D
  • [19:39:32] <recalcati> 2.6.29 is different from 2.6.28 : Unknown boot option `omapfb.video_mode=1280x720-24@60': ignoring
  • [19:39:56] <eFfeM> wrong config ?
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  • [19:40:31] <tomba> recalcati: check the doc. I think it's omapfb.mode now
  • [19:41:10] <recalcati> ok
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  • [19:46:22] <_AV500_> if you want a set of timings that work for quite a lot of monitors/tvs you can have a look at ours
  • [19:46:43] <_AV500_> at least for vga, 576p, 480p and 720p
  • [19:47:00] * eFfeM also wants 720p on TV
  • [19:47:31] <_AV500_> aargh, i remember now, not so easy :-(
  • [19:47:59] <like2wise> _AV500_: ours?
  • [19:48:01] <_AV500_> the omap3 is a bit nonstandard for some timings
  • [19:48:29] <_AV500_> so there is some hw involved as well
  • [19:49:05] <recalcati> 720p is not present
  • [19:49:28] <recalcati> _AV500_: with cpu bug fix in ES3.0 yes
  • [19:49:33] <_AV500_> like2wise: BB is not the only available product using omap3 :-)
  • [19:49:50] <_AV500_> recalcati: what was fixed?
  • [19:50:09] <mru> they made the fields for some timing params wider
  • [19:50:16] <recalcati> _AV500_: the number of bits for front porch and so on
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  • [19:51:17] <_AV500_> recalcati: ahh, ok :-)
  • [19:51:20] <recalcati> there wasn't enough bits, for example 1280x720p@50 shouldn't work .. see CEA 861-D
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  • [19:51:34] <recalcati> but with revB7 it have to work
  • [19:51:35] <like2wise> _AV500_: don't let me guess :-)
  • [19:51:38] <recalcati> has
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  • [19:52:27] <recalcati> wich is the good u-boot ? now in revB7 it is U-Boot 1.3.3 (Jul 10 2008 - 16:33:09)
  • [19:52:36] <_AV500_> yes, i know about not enuf bits, thats why we added hw
  • [19:53:04] <_AV500_> to pass hdmi cert
  • [19:53:23] <recalcati> I have to insert a mode in modedb ?
  • [19:54:43] <_AV500_> ?
  • [19:54:53] <recalcati> 1280x720
  • [19:54:54] <eFfeM> recalcati: i use the u-boot from the revC validation page
  • [19:55:07] <eFfeM> but i would like to knwo where to find the src
  • [19:55:10] <recalcati> in revB7 ?
  • [19:55:12] <eFfeM> of that version
  • [19:55:15] <_AV500_> no idea about modedb
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  • [20:02:42] <hrw|gone> bye all
  • [20:03:26] <eFfeM> cya
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  • [20:20:18] <eFfeM> koen did i need to change something for align in defconfig?
  • [20:20:24] * eFfeM did not do that
  • [20:21:14] <eFfeM> only thing I can find is: CONFIG_ALIGNMENT_TRAP=y
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  • [20:50:57] <recalcati> I still have Clocking rate (Crystal/DPLL/ARM core): 26.0/332/500 MHz . Which u-boot I have to get ?
  • [20:57:42] <ali_as> Does it not tell you when it boots?
  • [20:57:53] <ali_as> Oh, sorry, read it wrong.
  • [20:58:11] <ali_as> You after overclocking to 600?
  • [20:58:22] <recalcati> ok. I know there is some u-boot that allows 600Mhz
  • [20:58:30] <recalcati> no I don't know how to do
  • [21:00:12] <ali_as> http://git.mansr.com/?p=u-boot;a=commitdiff;h=045149ea1076575f773079677a3d1b01ff71757c
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  • [21:02:17] <ali_as> If you have any questions mru is doubtless the person to ask.
  • [21:13:20] <recalcati> ok
  • [21:14:09] <ali_as> I'm looking around for a version of uboot with that change made.
  • [21:14:35] <_AV500_> ali_as: the kernel should also be able to set that
  • [21:14:44] <_AV500_> if supported
  • [21:15:12] <_AV500_> normally it would scale up to 600 on demand, not all the time
  • [21:15:37] <_AV500_> but i think this is not in oe kernel yet or so, koen knows
  • [21:15:39] <recalcati> _AV500_: I'm searching
  • [21:15:40] <ali_as> Can you change the clock rate without messing up all the PLLs and needing a software reboot?
  • [21:15:59] <recalcati> ali_as: normally yes (I know pxa255)
  • [21:16:05] <recalcati> _AV500_:
  • [21:16:15] <recalcati> where is here in 2.6.29 ?
  • [21:16:42] <_AV500_> ali_as: yes
  • [21:17:11] <_AV500_> clock rate is dynamic, it goes between 125 and 600 depending on cpu load
  • [21:17:27] <ali_as> Cool.
  • [21:17:29] <_AV500_> but oe kernel maxes out at 500 or so
  • [21:17:57] <recalcati> I heard possibility to go to 600
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  • [21:25:24] <recalcati> also I can't find /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/displays in 2.6.29
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  • [21:26:45] <mru> my u-boot hack shouldn't be used
  • [21:26:57] <mru> there is a proper frequency scaling kernel available
  • [21:27:01] <mru> ask koen for details
  • [21:27:46] <recalcati> mru: you are telling about cpu freq?
  • [21:27:58] <ali_as> It's his uboot hack.
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  • [21:29:46] <recalcati> little bit different /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/timings
  • [21:32:15] <recalcati> before, with 2.6.28, I did echo "dvi e:1 u:1 t:0 h:1280/110/220/40 v:720/20/5/5 p:72000" > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/displays
  • [21:32:28] <recalcati> now I'm trying echo "72000,1280/110/220/40,720/20/5/5" > /sys/devices/platf orm/omapdss/display0/timings
  • [21:32:44] <recalcati> but /sys/devices/platf orm/omapdss/display0/timings doesn't change
  • [21:37:13] <recalcati> modedb fb_find_mode: CVT mode 1280x720@60Hz reduced blanking
  • [21:37:58] <recalcati> but with fbset it remains 64.000 MHz of pixel clock
  • [21:38:30] <recalcati> it could an old u-boot that not allow to change pixel clock ?
  • [21:42:41] <recalcati> NOTE: preferred version git of u-boot not available (for item u-boot)
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  • [21:45:56] <recalcati> clock: clksel_round_rate_div: dpll4_m4_ck target_rate 48000000
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  • [22:02:30] <russ> hmmm..I switched to ubifs I boot much faster, but have much less free space
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  • [22:03:41] <geckosenator> what is ubifs?
  • [22:03:51] <mru> a new filesystem for flash devices
  • [22:04:13] <geckosenator> cool
  • [22:04:59] <geckosenator> so it doesn't work on top of MMC?
  • [22:07:08] <mru> no, it's a jffs2 replacement
  • [22:07:14] <mru> mmc can use normal filesystems
  • [22:07:37] <recalcati> mru: any idea about fbset ?
  • [22:07:56] <recalcati> I have inserted, in modedb , 1280x720
  • [22:10:25] <geckosenator> recalcati: dss2?
  • [22:10:42] <recalcati> it is recognized , but http://pastebin.com/m53d3c6ed
  • [22:10:56] <recalcati> dss2 in 2.6.29
  • [22:11:14] <geckosenator> cool
  • [22:11:19] <recalcati> pixel doesn't go more than 64mhz
  • [22:12:43] <Lo_Pan> i like the ubifs site
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  • [22:12:48] <Lo_Pan> the guy has ssh running on port 80
  • [22:13:09] <Lo_Pan> http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/sed/ubifs
  • [22:13:12] <dcordes__> koen: what is the policy about changing beagle defconfig in OE ?
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  • [22:15:51] <recalcati> I got timings from linux-2.6/drivers/video/ps3fb.c
  • [22:16:37] <GregorR> Yay, my beagle arrived today! But I don't have the serial adapter yet, so all I can do is stare at the pretty lights.
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  • [22:20:19] <russ> Lo_Pan: are you talking about linux-mtd.infradead.org?
  • [22:24:53] <geckosenator> GregorR: is it revC?
  • [22:25:05] <GregorR> geckosenator: Yup :)
  • [22:25:18] <GregorR> If it was rev B, I'd have the worst timing imaginable :P
  • [22:26:00] <recalcati> I bought a revB7 one week ago
  • [22:26:44] * GregorR goes >_> <_<
  • [22:27:06] <geckosenator> I might order one soon
  • [22:29:09] <recalcati> cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics\:fb0/bits_per_pixel 32
  • [22:29:22] <recalcati> it isn't 24 ?
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  • [22:31:57] <dcordes> is there a inside EU resell hub these days?
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  • [22:34:15] <Lo_Pan> russ: ubifs apparently doesn't work on mtd
  • [22:34:22] <Lo_Pan> it only works on ubi
  • [22:34:53] <russ> Lo_Pan: ubi sits on top of mtd
  • [22:35:02] <Lo_Pan> UBIFS works on top of UBI (Unsorted Block Images) volumes and cannot operate on top of MTD (Memory Technology Device) devices.
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  • [22:35:39] <Lo_Pan> it does look like the project has moved to the mtd site tho
  • [22:35:44] <russ> yes
  • [22:35:50] <Lo_Pan> its still weird that the other guy has ssh running on port 80
  • [22:36:02] <russ> which guy?
  • [22:36:10] <Lo_Pan> the url i pasted
  • [22:36:28] <Lo_Pan> it appears to be the original project page
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  • [22:37:53] <Lo_Pan> looks like the first thing i read was flat out wrong
  • [22:38:04] <Lo_Pan> i think they meant ubifs doesn't work on FTL, not MTD
  • [22:38:23] <russ> how did you determine that ssh is on port 80?
  • [22:38:58] <Lo_Pan> hmm, looks like it isnt now
  • [22:39:11] <Lo_Pan> earlier when i went there i got the openssh header
  • [22:39:32] <recalcati> ssh is on port 22
  • [22:39:33] <Lo_Pan> like when you nc to someones port 22
  • [22:39:35] <Lo_Pan> yeah i know
  • [22:39:52] <Lo_Pan> when i pointed my browser there i got something like: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1
  • [22:40:05] <russ> I don't get that
  • [22:40:14] <russ> I get an html page
  • [22:40:20] <Lo_Pan> yeah i get one now too
  • [22:40:25] <Lo_Pan> i'd say someone fatfingered something
  • [22:41:07] <Lo_Pan> davidz@davidz:~$ nc www.inf.u-szeged.hu 22
  • [22:41:08] <Lo_Pan> www.inf.u-szeged.hu [160.114.37.229] 22 (ssh) : Connection refused
  • [22:41:11] <Lo_Pan> whacky
  • [22:41:14] <russ> it still is weird tho
  • [22:41:35] <russ> if you send it any data, it sends you an HTML page
  • [22:41:40] <Lo_Pan> yeah i know
  • [22:41:50] <Lo_Pan> like i said, its being normal now
  • [22:42:04] <russ> thats not normal, you should need to send a GET
  • [22:42:14] <Lo_Pan> i sent it a head
  • [22:42:22] <Lo_Pan> i didnt realise you meant ANY data literally
  • [22:42:30] <recalcati> ssh root@192.168.1.112 works
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  • [22:43:41] <recalcati> I see 1280x768 on my Bravia
  • [22:43:44] <Lo_Pan> actually that's probably just a 400 with html attached
  • [22:44:17] <Lo_Pan> nope
  • [22:44:19] <Lo_Pan> no http headers
  • [22:44:22] <Lo_Pan> just html
  • [22:45:37] <Lo_Pan> whacky
  • [22:45:53] <Lo_Pan> i've seen a lot of sites handing out 404s RIGHT before 200s lately
  • [22:45:59] <Lo_Pan> lots of browsers will render it correctly
  • [22:46:03] <Lo_Pan> others just stop
  • [22:46:12] <Lo_Pan> nfi what that's about
  • [22:50:44] <russ> maybe it will pass the connection to sshd if you send a certain sequence of characters
  • [22:56:07] <Lo_Pan> yeah, if you knock the right way or something
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  • [23:38:24] <calculus> ds2: booo, my meeting is/was actually at 3pm :(
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  • [23:48:56] <furan> if I buy a board right now off of digikey will I get a revc?
  • [23:49:11] <furan> nevermind
  • [23:49:12] <mru> you should
  • [23:49:13] <furan> clearly says it is
  • [23:49:27] <mru> they've been sending a few b7 boards in error
  • [23:49:36] <mru> hopefully they've run out of those now
  • [23:49:46] <furan> that's a red flag for me clicking purchase
  • [23:49:49] <furan> it does say rev c
  • [23:50:00] <furan> "KIT DEV BEAGLE BOARD REV C"
  • [23:50:13] <mru> yes, so if they send something else they'll replace it
  • [23:50:46] <calculus> maybe you can hope that they send twins
  • [23:51:54] <furan> heh
  • [23:52:13] <felipec> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
  • [23:52:16] <felipec> any ideas?
  • [23:53:35] <mru> did you mount /dev/pts?
  • [23:54:00] <uberfry> hi there furan
  • [23:54:05] <mru> is /dev/tty correct?
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  • [23:56:00] <furan> hey uberfry.
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  • [23:56:16] <uberfry> what a funny coincidence, seeing you here
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