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  • [00:05:35] <ds> anyone happen to know methods of detecting CPU features on ARM other than /proc/cpuinfo?
  • [00:08:49] <mru> there are none
  • [00:08:53] <mru> unless you are the kernel
  • [00:09:12] <mru> we've been discussing this actually
  • [00:09:33] <mru> I suggested kernel emulation of the ID register access instructions
  • [00:09:50] <mru> how would that suit your needs?
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  • [00:25:20] <ds> mru: the closest to best method I've seen is a documented bitfield in auxv on PowerPC
  • [00:25:38] <ds> mru: unfortunately, this requires hooking into main(), which is generally not possible for a library
  • [00:25:59] <ds> mru: so even though it's "close to best", it's still not adequate
  • [00:26:50] <ds> emulating what the CPU would do if in supervisor mode is good, but requires writing and testing a bunch of code that didn't need to be written
  • [00:26:54] <raster> ds: __init()
  • [00:26:58] <mru> recent linux kernels emulate the id reading instructions on ppc
  • [00:27:40] <mru> auxv was also suggested as a possibility on arm
  • [00:27:52] <mru> I prefer the id register method
  • [00:28:10] <mru> it stands a much better chance of being picked up on other OSes
  • [00:28:20] <mru> and it needs changes only to the kernel
  • [00:28:28] <ds> also, sysctl() is nice
  • [00:28:44] <mru> again, less portable
  • [00:29:05] <ds> actually, let me take back what I said. sysctl() is the best method I've seen
  • [00:29:12] <raster> btw
  • [00:29:14] <mru> sysctl how?
  • [00:29:17] <raster> i find it s3easy to detect
  • [00:29:26] <raster> i use that wonderful thing calls SIGILL
  • [00:29:27] <raster> :)
  • [00:29:29] <raster> called
  • [00:29:32] <raster> ie
  • [00:29:35] <ds> just that Linux people don't seem to like sysctl() :)
  • [00:29:35] <raster> have a test routine
  • [00:29:39] <raster> try an opcode
  • [00:29:45] <raster> see if u get a SIGILL
  • [00:29:58] <mru> nooooo
  • [00:30:00] <raster> ikf so - that opecode (and any other features that ity is part of) are not there
  • [00:30:39] <raster> has worked for me for many years for ppc, x86 and i'm using it for n eon
  • [00:30:40] <raster> err
  • [00:30:42] <raster> neon
  • [00:31:10] <mru> sigill is evil
  • [00:31:17] <raster> but ... it works
  • [00:31:18] <raster> :)
  • [00:31:25] <mru> it's fragile
  • [00:31:34] <raster> to be honest - i havent found so
  • [00:31:40] <mru> messing with signal handlers is a very bad idea in a library
  • [00:31:42] <raster> what have u found it to be fragile at?
  • [00:31:46] <raster> oh
  • [00:31:50] <mru> especially if there are pthreads involved
  • [00:31:51] <raster> it just sets and restores the handler
  • [00:31:58] <raster> and its done once only on init
  • [00:32:01] <raster> true
  • [00:32:04] <ds> I'd rather not write code that "discovers" features. I'd rather have a simple obvious function that return a bit pattern
  • [00:32:15] <raster> as i expectr the lib to be oinitted before you launch off into any thread land
  • [00:32:19] <raster> its not a problem
  • [00:32:21] <mru> yes, it's called MRC
  • [00:32:37] <mru> raster: that's not a valid assumption
  • [00:33:01] <raster> in my case it is
  • [00:33:03] <raster> as its a requirement
  • [00:33:08] <mru> I've written code that fires up gtk in semi-isolation if needed
  • [00:33:10] <raster> as the lib isnt threadsafe
  • [00:33:37] <mru> your case isn't everyone's
  • [00:33:42] <raster> i know
  • [00:33:43] <raster> :)
  • [00:33:50] <russ> maybe a sacrificial process?
  • [00:33:51] <raster> but u can use __init()
  • [00:33:58] <raster> ld.so will call it prior to main()
  • [00:34:03] <mru> not on random-obscure-os
  • [00:34:12] <raster> if u link
  • [00:34:21] <raster> if its an indirect dep from a dlopen()Ed module
  • [00:34:26] <raster> it will happen ad lopen() time
  • [00:34:29] <mru> hacking random-obscure-kernel to emulate a few mrc opcodes is much easier
  • [00:34:31] <raster> at dlopen time
  • [00:34:45] <mru> who says you have dlopen at all
  • [00:34:49] <raster> the problem is universality
  • [00:34:50] <mru> who says you're using elf?
  • [00:34:56] <mru> mrc is universal
  • [00:34:56] <raster> hehehehe
  • [00:34:59] <raster> in my case
  • [00:35:00] <raster> no dlopen
  • [00:35:01] <mru> it's architectural
  • [00:35:04] <raster> no go
  • [00:35:04] <raster> :)
  • [00:35:19] <raster> umm
  • [00:35:27] <raster> universal as the same across multiple unix os's
  • [00:35:30] <raster> multiple architectures
  • [00:35:37] <raster> the problem is no such thnig exists
  • [00:35:38] <raster> :(
  • [00:35:46] <raster> (for discovering xpu features)
  • [00:35:50] <raster> beyond /proc/cpuinfo
  • [00:35:53] <raster> and thats linux only
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  • [00:39:16] <mru> I believe staying closer to the hardware will give better chances of others following
  • [00:39:35] <mru> I mean, try to implement /proc/cpuinfo on an os without a filesystem
  • [00:40:02] <mru> we're talking arm here, so it's not that far-fetched
  • [00:41:25] <russ> mru: make tight loops that check relative instruction execution time in order to generate a fingerprint for each processor
  • [00:42:14] <mru> haha
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  • [00:55:53] <ds> One can access the AUXV on powerpc using /proc/self/auxv, although that's still needlessly Linux-specific
  • [00:56:39] <mru> as I said, linux on powerpc emulates the cpu identification instructions
  • [00:56:57] <mru> no need to mess around with auxv
  • [00:58:10] <ds> it changes what I said earlier, is all
  • [01:00:01] <ds> one problem with relying on CPU identification instructions is that you risk a SIGILL on older kernels
  • [01:00:25] <mru> you risk the auxv not being there too
  • [01:00:53] <ds> at least in that case you don't abort
  • [01:01:42] <raster> ds: but sigill is unreliable!
  • [01:01:49] <raster> :)
  • [01:02:00] <mru> only if you try to trap it
  • [01:02:47] <russ> like I said, sacrificial process
  • [01:02:55] <raster> but an app that sigills... isnt much use
  • [01:03:16] <russ> open file descriptor, fork, run instruction, exit 0
  • [01:03:25] <russ> parent process checks return code
  • [01:03:28] <mru> it's mainly distro maintainers pushing for this
  • [01:03:39] <mru> they want to ship the same binaries to run on many processors
  • [01:03:48] <mru> they can make sure they also ship a suitable kernel
  • [01:04:25] <raster> mru: i do agree though that this is a problem
  • [01:04:29] <raster> in the arm world its worse
  • [01:04:39] <raster> as there are now so many variations of cpu extensions/generations
  • [01:04:46] <raster> at least on x86 its "simple"
  • [01:04:48] <russ> raster: don't forget all the floating point formats
  • [01:04:50] <raster> and ppc is trivial
  • [01:05:07] <raster> russ: that too
  • [01:05:25] <raster> but at least it should be sane to ship 1 binary for all arm paltforms
  • [01:05:33] <raster> the problem is.. it isn't
  • [01:05:34] <raster> :(
  • [01:05:45] <mru> it also doesn't make sense
  • [01:05:46] <raster> i can specifically deal with neon at runtime
  • [01:05:50] <raster> (or fall back to normal c)
  • [01:05:52] <raster> and so on
  • [01:06:07] <mru> armcc generates 10% faster code if allowed to use neon
  • [01:06:39] <raster> ir auto uses neon if it can?
  • [01:06:41] <raster> it
  • [01:06:49] <mru> if you tell it
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  • [01:06:58] <raster> ok
  • [01:06:59] <raster> thats cool
  • [01:07:05] <mru> it can vectorise some kinds of loops
  • [01:07:18] <mru> gcc can too in theory
  • [01:07:27] <mru> in practice it's no faster, only buggy
  • [01:07:36] <raster> hehehehe
  • [01:07:47] <raster> from a distro point of view tho
  • [01:07:48] <raster> it is a problem
  • [01:07:54] <raster> most wopuld give up 10%
  • [01:08:04] <mru> distros should do several buidls
  • [01:08:06] <raster> if they could just handle an arm distro universally
  • [01:08:22] <mru> even gcc makes good use of armv6 instructions
  • [01:08:28] <raster> sure
  • [01:08:37] <raster> but then u get arm vs thumb
  • [01:08:42] <raster> and obai vs eabi
  • [01:08:48] <mru> performance is scarce enough as it is on arm
  • [01:08:51] <raster> v4, v5, v6 anf v7
  • [01:08:56] <mru> only debian uses oabi
  • [01:08:59] <raster> and then v7 with or withit neon
  • [01:09:04] <raster> v6 with or without vfp
  • [01:09:04] <vlad_> raster: it depends though, distros have compiled specific libs with per-cpu flags in the past
  • [01:09:05] <raster> etc. etc.
  • [01:09:09] <vlad_> they wouldn't do it for the general case
  • [01:09:10] <raster> its quite a matrix
  • [01:09:11] <mru> I've been happily ignoring debian for 28 years
  • [01:09:17] <mru> I reckon I can continue
  • [01:09:30] <raster> hahahaha
  • [01:09:50] <russ> I thought debian had an eabi port too
  • [01:09:52] <mru> the vX variants are all supersets of the previous ones
  • [01:10:24] <mru> eabi/oabi is irrelevant to this discussion
  • [01:10:38] <mru> you just pick one and build everything like that
  • [01:10:46] <mru> sane people pick eabi
  • [01:10:49] <raster> sure
  • [01:11:05] <raster> i'm just pointing out the myriad of thnigs they need to build
  • [01:11:27] <mru> you're forgetting vfpv2, vfpv3, vfpv3_d16
  • [01:11:34] <mru> integer-only neon, ...
  • [01:11:51] <raster> yes
  • [01:11:58] <raster> i have only done some of them
  • [01:12:08] <mru> most of them don't actually exist
  • [01:12:10] <raster> my poiunt was its a very large set of variants and combos
  • [01:12:11] <mru> in silicon
  • [01:12:15] <raster> ls
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  • [01:17:21] <russ> with most stuff though, you only need to compile a subset of packages with optimization
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  • [01:23:17] <mru> koen would disagree
  • [01:24:25] <russ> does libpam really need to be compiled with optimization?
  • [01:25:16] <mru> maybe not
  • [01:25:54] <mru> but extending your argument we wouldn't need to use the computer at all
  • [01:27:14] <mru> but lets find out how much difference the optimisation target actually makes
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  • [01:28:07] <mru> I have four ffmpeg builds, optimised for v4, v5, v6, and v7
  • [01:28:32] <mru> all hand-written assembler disabled for this test
  • [01:28:38] <mru> since we're testing the compiler
  • [01:32:40] <russ> are you building them against an optimized libc?
  • [01:32:52] <russ> optimized memcpy and such?
  • [01:32:59] <mru> yes, but ffmpeg spends very little time in libc
  • [01:34:01] <mru> 1 or 2 percent
  • [01:34:27] <russ> does that count the .a stuff too?
  • [01:34:42] <russ> eg, libgcc.a?
  • [01:34:46] <mru> fully static link
  • [01:35:10] <mru> calling memcpy() is more or less a bug in ffmpeg
  • [01:35:17] <russ> what about softfloat inlining?
  • [01:35:41] <mru> I'm not testing floating point this time
  • [01:35:53] <mru> it's pointless
  • [01:36:04] <mru> everybody knows vfp is many times faster than softfloat
  • [01:36:23] <russ> ah, so you are running them all on a v7
  • [01:36:27] <mru> yes
  • [01:36:30] <mru> that's the point
  • [01:36:43] <russ> but wouldn't a true v4 binary have softfloat?
  • [01:36:53] <mru> yes it would
  • [01:36:58] <mru> and performance would suck
  • [01:37:21] <russ> not compared to if you deployed it to a real v4 system and the kernel did all the floating point work
  • [01:37:55] <mru> it's a waste of time to check whether vfp is faster than softfloat on cortex-a8
  • [01:37:58] <mru> we know it is
  • [01:38:09] <russ> maybe I'm confused by your end goal
  • [01:38:34] <russ> if the choice is to distribute copies of ffmpeg optimized for different processors, or just one copy for all
  • [01:38:34] <mru> the end goal is to see how much faster normal integer code gets from targeting various cpus
  • [01:38:42] <russ> ah
  • [01:38:56] <mru> how much penalty A8 pays for running v4 code
  • [01:39:23] <mru> I already know that floating point code runs several times faster with vfp
  • [01:39:34] <mru> nobody has ever disputed that
  • [01:39:54] <russ> I just got caught up in the binary distribution part of the discussion
  • [01:40:12] <mru> it's related
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  • [01:41:18] <russ> then my point would be that an ffmpeg complied to run across multiple arm versions would likely be compiled with softfloat
  • [01:41:48] <mru> yes, but that won't affect the integer parts
  • [01:42:00] <mru> I don't need to measure what I already know
  • [01:42:13] <russ> I guess I always figured that something like ffmpeg would have a fair deal of floating point
  • [01:42:19] <mru> it doesn't
  • [01:42:24] <mru> only a few audio codecs do
  • [01:42:36] <mru> e.g. mpeg2 decoding has virtually no floating point
  • [01:42:56] <mru> there might be a few odd float ops somewhere
  • [01:43:20] <mru> probably no more than one float op per million integer ops
  • [01:43:30] <mru> so softfloat or not really doesn't matter there
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  • [01:46:00] <mru> ffmpeg probably isn't representative of software on average of course
  • [01:46:14] <mru> but it's usually a pretty good indicator of compiler performance
  • [01:46:41] <mru> and it's easy to compile for a multitude of targets
  • [01:47:05] <jso> actually, it would very much affect the integer portions. GCC can optimize for NEON and lemme check the source, I believe there are some NEON opts included in ffmpeg.
  • [01:48:00] <jso> Yes, several of the codec operations have been hand coded with NEON intrinsics.
  • [01:48:19] <mru> ahahahaha
  • [01:48:39] <mru> gcc optimise for neon, lol
  • [01:48:45] <mru> jso: I wrote the ffmpeg neon code
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  • [01:49:22] <mru> and I did *not* use intrinsics
  • [01:49:38] <mru> gcc generates horrible code from them
  • [01:51:16] <mru> I benchmarked the gcc vectoriser earlier today
  • [01:51:23] <ds> gcc generates horrible code for intrinsics on all architectures...
  • [01:51:23] <mru> it made *no* difference at all
  • [01:51:24] <jso> Which version?
  • [01:51:36] <mru> latest
  • [01:51:47] <jso> which is? I roll svn.
  • [01:52:11] <mru> 4.3.3 from gnu and 4.3.2+patches from codesourcery
  • [01:52:35] <mru> the vectoriser does have some nasty bugs though
  • [01:53:07] <jso> Word. I believe the big changes in Tree Vectoriser is in 4.4.0, but who know when that'll be out given the FSF's bullshit as of late.
  • [01:53:18] <mru> yeah
  • [01:53:25] <mru> that's so stupid
  • [01:53:54] <mru> gcc svn has some real issues on powerpc
  • [01:54:22] <mru> see http://fate.multimedia.cx/ last table on page
  • [01:55:43] <jso> Wow! That is terrible.
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  • [01:55:59] <mru> it's been like that for a year or so
  • [01:56:32] <mru> it's failing one test on x86-64 even
  • [01:56:34] <jso> Honestly, that doesn't surprise me. I've dealt with a TON of errors in the GCC toolchain. And use another language besides C? Hahahaha.
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  • [02:22:34] <mru> jso: do you build for arm with gcc 4.4-to-be?
  • [02:38:58] <jso> mru: Not right now. I've successfully built working toolchains with SVN, about 6 months ago, but recent attempts have been complete failures.
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  • [02:39:56] <jso> I actually had an Ada toolchain working at one time. According to some who've attempted that mine was the only known success. Then when trying to reattempt it, failture.
  • [02:40:08] <vlad_> mmm, ada
  • [02:40:19] <vlad_> I used to do a lot of work in ada :)
  • [02:40:27] <vlad_> still quite fond of the language!
  • [02:41:17] <jso> vlad_: Yeah. But, it's not a language I'd like to hack in. I'm the lead developer on a student UAV org and I tried to use it. But, the compiler is the hangup.
  • [02:41:43] <jso> vlad_: What kind of work did you do in Ada? And which spec?
  • [02:43:14] <vlad_> Ada95, was using gcc/gnat way back then (mid-90's)
  • [02:43:34] <vlad_> was actually working with the compiler group itself at SGI, doing demos and some other stuff
  • [02:43:40] <jso> Right on!
  • [02:44:26] <jso> I've seen some Ada95, but the changes for Ada 2005 totally rock! It makes the OOP stuff feel more natural and the language inclusion of basic vector and matrix mathematics is absolutely wonderful
  • [02:46:20] <russ> jso: I had an arm ada toolchain from maybe 2004-2007
  • [02:46:36] <jso> russ: Native?
  • [02:46:42] <russ> cross
  • [02:46:46] <jso> I forgot that "minor" detail. :P
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  • [03:31:59] <sradhakrishna> should i update uboot? where do i find the latest binaries for rev b6?
  • [03:33:29] <mru> I doubt it has anything to do with u-boot
  • [03:33:42] <mru> if the kernel boots, u-boot is no longer relevant
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  • [03:38:02] <sradhakrishna> mru: kernel hasn't booted yet i guess. am following the procedure mentioned in http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
  • [03:38:59] <sradhakrishna> and am at the stage "Login and install kernel image"
  • [03:39:01] <sradhakrishna> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Login_.26_Install_kernel-image
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  • [04:38:27] <geckosen1tor> does anyone know why one hdmi cable would work but another does not?
  • [04:38:31] <geckosen1tor> are there diffrerent types?
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  • [04:59:58] <russ> geckosen1tor: not as far as I know
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  • [05:07:11] <geckosen1tor> maybe its just a bad cable
  • [05:09:18] <geckosen1tor> wow, my lcd backlight only uses 60mA
  • [05:09:30] <geckosen1tor> and that's the lithium battery current
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  • [06:34:50] <nab> is anyone attending the embedded systems conference next week?
  • [06:35:54] <nab> any recommendations on classes to go to?
  • [06:36:53] <Lo_Pan> where's that?
  • [06:41:06] <nab> san jose
  • [06:41:46] <nab> Lo_Pan: i saw it on beagleboard.org
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  • [07:40:58] <recalcati> hi everybody
  • [07:43:08] <AV500> hello
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  • [07:54:37] <cjp> good morning
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  • [08:20:39] <mpoullet|work> good morning
  • [08:21:25] <mru> morning
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  • [08:22:30] <AV500> gm
  • [08:23:31] <mpoullet|work> mru: AV500: morning
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  • [08:47:31] <mpoullet|work> has someone already tried the new vanilla 2.6.29 kernel (not the l-o one)? It doesn't find my fs: http://pastebin.com/d44f91254
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  • [08:50:46] <suihkulokki> mpoullet|work: did you compile mmc support in your kernel?
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  • [08:57:30] <mpoullet|work> suihkulokki: I've used the default config provided for the beagle
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  • [09:00:08] <mpoullet|work> default .config for the beagle in 2.6.29 here: http://pastebin.com/dc76a3c1
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  • [09:06:48] <methril|work> good morning
  • [09:10:33] <mortenditlevsen> Good morning!
  • [09:12:37] <mortenditlevsen> Can anyone assist my with a small demo? I've installed Angstrom along with the gstreamer_ti packages - the kernel modules load just fine, and I'd like to run a small gstreamer example.
  • [09:13:43] <mortenditlevsen> The scripts included with the gstreamer_ti packages do not work directly for me, since I don't have the v4l output device. So my goal is to output to /dev/fbX
  • [09:14:11] <mortenditlevsen> I use the following gst-launch command line:
  • [09:14:27] <mortenditlevsen> gst-launch --gst-debug-no-color --gst-debug=TI*:2 filesrc location=/home/root/data/videos/davincieffect_ntsc_1.m4v ! TIViddec2 genTimeStamps=FALSE engineName=decode codecName=mpeg4dec ! TIDmaiVideoSink displayStd=fbdev displayDevice=/dev/fb2 videoStd=VGA videoOutput=LCD resizer=FALSE accelFrameCopy=TRUE
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  • [09:15:04] <mru> mpoullet|work: I'd be surprised if the vanilla kernel worked on omap
  • [09:15:32] <mortenditlevsen> And I have tried the different /dev/fbX'es - but all fail with 0:00:02.257171627 1805 0x118da0 ERROR TIDmaiVideoSink gsttidmaivideosink.c:1016:gst_tidmaivideosink_init_display: Failed to open display device
  • [09:15:41] <mpoullet|work> mru: I'd just want to give a try and see how far it goes
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  • [09:16:49] <mpoullet|work> mru: it doesn't seem that bad so far :)
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  • [09:17:05] <mru> I thought you said it didn't find the filesystem...
  • [09:17:24] <mru> ok, it's not *that* bad to get as far as looking for an fs
  • [09:17:40] <mpoullet|work> mru: yeah but I hadn't thought it boots at all !
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  • [09:22:23] <mru> mpoullet|work: my point
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  • [09:24:59] <Sinky_> I saw in angstrom repo that libx264-66 exists, but I do not have in my openembbed
  • [09:25:03] <Sinky_> do uou have any ideas ?
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  • [09:25:57] <Tick> hi
  • [09:26:27] <Tick> I start playing beagleboard recently.
  • [09:26:57] <mru> Sinky_: x264 doesn't even build cleanly for arm afaik
  • [09:27:03] <Tick> I have a question about the DVI-D output.
  • [09:27:27] <mru> the good news is that someone is working on getting it in shape and adding some assembler
  • [09:27:36] <mru> Tick: just ask, someone might answer
  • [09:27:55] <mru> actually, I believe the answer is "yes, you can connect it to any hdmi or dvi-d display"
  • [09:27:59] <Tick> Should I see a beagle logo on the screen while power on ?
  • [09:28:09] <mru> depends on which u-boot you use
  • [09:28:23] <mru> I don't know what new boards ship with
  • [09:28:33] <Sinky_> mru ok.. so currently I should build libx264 myself to be able to build vlc with x264 support ?
  • [09:28:44] <mru> that's the trouble
  • [09:28:59] <mru> libx264 doesn't build nicely for arm
  • [09:29:03] <Tick> my board is b7 board with current angstorm u-boot think
  • [09:29:12] <Tick> built via OE
  • [09:29:20] <Sinky_> mru what's the issue ?
  • [09:29:38] <Tick> I can see stripe for SVGA output
  • [09:29:53] <Tick> I can hear tone for audio output
  • [09:30:09] <Tick> I cannot see anything with the DVI-D output
  • [09:30:25] <Tick> on my TV, and LCD screen
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  • [09:30:30] <mru> Sinky_: missing bits in the configure script
  • [09:30:59] <Sinky_> mru is it a problem if I build it with --disable-asm ?
  • [09:31:16] <Sinky_> I got it successfully built with asm disabled
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  • [09:33:03] <Tick> what is the resolution of DVI-D screen in u-boot?
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  • [09:35:30] <Tick> Or what's the minimal HW requirement of showing the DVI-D output?
  • [09:35:57] <Tick> I cannot figure out which device goes wrong.
  • [09:36:22] <mru> Sinky_: ok, maybe that's all it takes
  • [09:36:28] <mru> if it builds, is should be fine
  • [09:36:57] <mru> Tick: the splash screen should be 1280x720
  • [09:37:02] <Tick> Do you have any suggestion that can helping me figure out which parts goes wrong?
  • [09:37:11] <mru> try a different display
  • [09:37:13] <Tick> oh~ thanks mru
  • [09:37:40] <Tick> flash rate is ?
  • [09:37:45] <Tick> reflash
  • [09:37:49] <mru> 60Hz
  • [09:37:54] <mru> and it's called refresh
  • [09:38:06] <Tick> thanks XD
  • [09:38:23] <Sinky_> mru what pkg-config bitbake uses ? building vlc does not find the compiled libx264.pc .. ?
  • [09:38:31] <Sinky_> how should I add it ?
  • [09:39:05] <Tick> I see, so probably all my device are too low ended to display that @.@
  • [09:39:33] <Tick> Thanks mru, I'll find some better LCD to test that.
  • [09:41:32] <mru> Tick: what display are you using?
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  • [09:46:04] <mpoullet|work> mortenditlevsen: you should join #gst_ti
  • [09:46:37] <mru> Sinky_: sorry, don't know about pkg-config
  • [09:46:44] <mru> tends to be painful though
  • [09:48:17] <Tick> mru LG mez37413719 (rev01)
  • [09:48:48] <mru> is that supposed to support 720p?
  • [09:49:18] <Tick> Acer 19" AL1914 LCD
  • [09:50:15] <Tick> Normally I set resolution higher than 1024, it will shows no signal (LG one)
  • [09:50:47] <Tick> Acer can show higher, but I don't know the limit
  • [09:51:18] <Tick> I just plug the HDMI slot in, and nothing happened.
  • [09:51:50] <Tick> For Acer LCD I transform the interface to VGA interface.
  • [09:52:12] <Tick> But still nothing happened.
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  • [09:56:46] <RobertK_> good morning gentlemen
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  • [09:58:33] <florian> good morning
  • [10:00:44] <Tick> good morning
  • [10:03:42] <Tick> But I set the resolution to 640x480 there are still no signal Orz
  • [10:04:04] <Tick> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480
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  • [10:18:33] <fireplay> to get audio working on beagle which package i need in angstrom
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  • [10:27:08] <hrw> morning
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  • [10:29:48] <recalcati> fireplay: I used mplayer
  • [10:31:11] <mpoullet|work> hrw: morning
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  • [10:33:46] <fireplay> i meant what alsa packages i need to use
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  • [10:49:37] <mrg> does anyone know what the two headers next to the DVI-D connector on the EBV beagle are for? extra video stuff?
  • [10:50:25] <hrw> raw crt panels connector?
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  • [10:51:42] <florian> mrc3: these should be for the tft interface I guess.
  • [10:51:47] <mru> yes
  • [10:54:27] <mrg> cool. thanks
  • [10:54:43] <raghav_n1> i have a RevB beagleboard connected to a DLink USB powered hub via the USB OTG connector. I am trying to install Debian, but the moment it tries to download files from a mirror, the USB keyboard dies and so does the network. if someone could help me pointing to how i could manually get the debian files onto the SD card ,i could work around.
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  • [10:57:39] <mrg> when I installed debian I used qemu to do it. can't remember how now but there are tutorials for it
  • [10:57:40] <hrw> ok, now I have BB
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  • [10:59:28] <mrg> the usb and network has been the biggest pain about the BB. My EBV board just arrived so hopefully that works better
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  • [11:00:42] <koen> hrw: is 12.00 GMT now?
  • [11:00:51] * koen has a 1 hour lunch break now
  • [11:00:51] <hrw> koen: one hour
  • [11:01:15] <mru> it's 1100 GMT
  • [11:01:51] <hrw> I have 3 clocks on desktop: local, nyc, tokyo
  • [11:02:51] <hrw> bb is small. now I need to dig net for missing cables
  • [11:06:37] <koen> I have a few mini-A cables, so ping me if you have trouble locating them
  • [11:06:45] <hrw> ok
  • [11:09:13] <hrw> koen: BB cannot take mini-B + gender changer? (trick for n810)
  • [11:10:09] <mru> should work
  • [11:10:17] <mru> auto-sensing obviously not
  • [11:11:19] <koen> that should work if you force mode
  • [11:11:38] <hrw> thx
  • [11:11:46] <hrw> one thing less
  • [11:11:59] <koen> gstreamer TI plugins DSP working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcdaosTiWPI
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  • [11:13:57] <AV500> koen: 720p?
  • [11:14:22] <koen> AV500: no, eval codecs to 480p max
  • [11:14:38] <koen> AV500: this is the ipod version (640xsomething)
  • [11:15:14] <koen> using XV output, not DMAI output, so it's probably using a few memcpys too much
  • [11:16:03] <mru> koen: what's the cpu load on arm?
  • [11:16:13] <mru> and what codec?
  • [11:16:14] <koen> about 40%
  • [11:16:19] <mru> eek
  • [11:16:26] <AV500> mru: TI compiler for ARM, which one?
  • [11:16:27] <mru> I can do better without using the dsp
  • [11:16:31] <koen> mplayer with -vo xv does about 60%
  • [11:16:35] <mru> AV500: TMS470
  • [11:16:42] <AV500> ahh, this one :-)
  • [11:17:00] <mru> when it works, it beats gcc easily
  • [11:17:06] <mru> but it sometimes doesn't work
  • [11:17:11] <AV500> 2.54 is the last one we used (DM320)
  • [11:17:11] <mru> like on ffmpeg
  • [11:17:41] <mru> I tried a 4.6 beta version
  • [11:17:59] <mru> and 4.5
  • [11:18:00] <mru> same bug
  • [11:18:10] <AV500> well, back in the days we found a number of bug in it :-)
  • [11:18:53] <AV500> like not initing auto const vars
  • [11:19:22] <mru> oops
  • [11:19:46] <mru> I had it generating invalid assembler
  • [11:20:04] <mru> compiling h264.c from ffmpeg
  • [11:20:17] <mru> that file is a compiler's nightmare
  • [11:20:52] <mru> oddly enough, I was able to fix the assembler without even changing the number of instructions
  • [11:21:01] <AV500> another nice on was a too large switch statement, then it stumbled and placed a data section right in the midlle of it
  • [11:21:24] <AV500> but this is 2.x times...
  • [11:21:37] <mru> data inside a giant switch is quite common
  • [11:21:52] <koen> who was asking about x264 support?
  • [11:22:01] <koen> I just found out I added it a while ago :)
  • [11:22:50] <AV500> mru: yes, but the compile should not try to "call" it :-)
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  • [11:23:14] <mru> of course not
  • [11:23:32] <koen> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/&id=26f47dc8f20db1e1e5e74e5eb7d79963618e49e6
  • [11:23:39] <koen> two months ago
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  • [11:39:23] <recalcati> koen: any idea who mantains webkit-gtk recipe for oe ? I have a compilation pb http://pastebin.com/d741d5906
  • [11:40:07] <hrw> koen: b7 can be powered with zaurus psu?
  • [11:40:24] <recalcati> I have insert the bug 5070 in oe bugzilla
  • [11:40:36] <koen> recalcati: haven't seen that error yet, sorry
  • [11:40:51] <koen> hrw: yes, 5V 1A is enough, dunno if the plug fits, though
  • [11:40:58] <hrw> ok
  • [11:41:28] <hrw> do not fit ;(
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  • [11:42:14] <hrw> ipaq one also not ;(
  • [11:42:49] <koen> hrw: the plug that came with the at91 should fit (not the PSU!)
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  • [11:46:53] <Sinky_> mru what pkg-config bitbake uses ? building vlc does not find the compiled libx264.pc? how should I add it ?
  • [11:46:59] <Sinky_> mru sorry
  • [11:47:01] <Sinky_> koen
  • [11:47:05] <recalcati> thx
  • [11:47:15] <Sinky_> ;)
  • [11:47:20] <Sinky_> I still cannot find it
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  • [11:53:26] <koen> -rw-r--r-- root/root 18052 2009-03-25 12:50 ./staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/x264.h
  • [11:53:30] <koen> -rw-r--r-- root/root 219 2009-03-25 12:50 ./staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/pkgconfig/x264.pc
  • [11:53:33] <koen> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 445779 2009-03-25 12:50 ./staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libx264.so.66
  • [11:53:36] <koen> -rw-r--r-- root/root 496500 2009-03-25 12:50 ./staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libx264.a
  • [11:53:39] <koen> lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2009-03-25 12:51 ./staging/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libx264.so -> libx264.so.66
  • [11:53:42] <koen> that's what I have int he x264 staging package
  • [11:55:40] <Sinky_> koen is libx264 commited to oe repo ?
  • [11:57:55] <koen> Sinky_: it's been there for the past 2 months
  • [11:58:47] <koen> demo image with working DSP stuff: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/untested/
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  • [12:10:20] <khasim> I am looking for a link that shows all the available packages in OE.
  • [12:10:30] <khasim> I had it in my favourite, but missing now.
  • [12:10:50] <RobertK_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ ?
  • [12:17:44] <khasim> RobertK_: thanks
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  • [12:35:53] <limpkin> hi everyone :)
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  • [13:17:03] <Downix> that's a way to find a channel
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  • [13:24:16] <Downix> Anyways, morning
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  • [13:27:48] <recalcati> I don't know how is the openembedded mantainers structure. I found a webpage containing the mantainers, but now I don't find it. Anybody can help me?
  • [13:28:19] <Downix> Wish I could help, I've been out of the loop for too long
  • [13:29:02] <recalcati> thx anyway
  • [13:32:41] <mpoullet|work> recalcati: you should ask in #oe
  • [13:33:37] <recalcati> mpoullet|work: ok, I'm guessing if can be a problem due to bitbake version: I have 1.8.13
  • [13:33:49] <recalcati> I have asked now
  • [13:33:59] <recalcati> maybe to old
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  • [13:41:12] <Downix> **reading the beagle docs atm, so far looks like what I've needed**
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  • [13:52:39] <mpoullet|work> recalcati: 1.8.13 is the one I use and I think the right to use
  • [13:53:49] <Downix> Hmm, only one area I'm not sure about, how do you select which mode the expantion bus runs in?
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  • [13:59:18] <Downix> if anyone knows
  • [13:59:32] <Downix> **will keep reading, might have missed it**
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  • [14:36:05] <Downix> That or find a nice home automation tool for USB
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  • [14:59:20] <eFfeM> hi
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  • [15:01:56] <Downix> Hello!
  • [15:02:06] <RobertK_> hihi
  • [15:02:12] <Abraxas3d> Greetings!
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  • [15:03:18] <eFfeM> group hug :-)
  • [15:03:37] <Downix> Er, no thanks?
  • [15:11:37] <Downix> I'm just studying the beagle to see if it will do the job I have in mind
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  • [15:15:40] <jkridner|work> good morning all
  • [15:16:30] <RobertK_> hello
  • [15:16:36] <jkridner|work> hmmm.... 25 boards available from Digi-Key again. Must mean they are selling Rev C.
  • [15:16:52] <mru> sweet
  • [15:16:54] <eFfeM> same price? same number?
  • [15:17:07] <eFfeM> could be they found an additional box of b's
  • [15:17:07] <Downix> nice
  • [15:17:19] <koen> eFfeM: same price, no idea about SKU
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  • [15:17:51] <eFfeM> has anyone an idea for a nice application to turn the beagle + display in a photoframe ?
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  • [15:18:20] <hrw> eFfeM: psplash will be enough?
  • [15:19:10] <AV500> eFfeM: damn, I have this BB sitting here all the time and now I finally know what to do with it! thx! :-)
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  • [15:20:12] <eFfeM> hrw haven't looked at pslash but would want to show the pictures fullscreen and preferably have animations when moving from pic to pic
  • [15:20:16] <AV500> might even find 5V in the monitor to power the beagle...
  • [15:20:30] <eFfeM> av500 I have more ideas if you want to
  • [15:20:32] <Downix> need to find a decent 7-10" lcd...
  • [15:20:39] <eFfeM> av500, no usb port on the monitor?
  • [15:20:52] <AV500> well, not the surplus ones here
  • [15:21:48] <AV500> but as I would strip it anyway, I should find 5V
  • [15:22:08] <AV500> then boot from an SD card that also holds pics and show them, should be easy
  • [15:22:19] <hrw> Downix: I had link to one..
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  • [15:22:51] <hrw> Downix: http://www.wedodigital.co.uk/product/2068/12-lcd-tv/meos-dvd123b/
  • [15:23:56] * koen wishes 10" displays with dvi/hdmi would be available
  • [15:24:03] <mru> and 1080p
  • [15:24:11] <koen> heh
  • [15:24:17] <Downix> hrw: a bit big, but thank you
  • [15:24:26] <hrw> mru: why not ultraHD? D:
  • [15:24:27] <mru> koen: have you seen that sony oled thing?
  • [15:24:44] <koen> I have seem a 10" 1080p screen online a while back
  • [15:24:53] <koen> but I'm not made of money
  • [15:25:03] <AV500> just use a 20" and step back a bit
  • [15:25:19] <Downix> AV500: a tad bulky to carry
  • [15:25:35] <Downix> AV500: I've seen the 20" laptops, nightmares to tote around
  • [15:25:37] <jkridner|work> Just confirmed Rev C boards are on sale at Digi-Key.
  • [15:26:41] <gcohler> jkridner|work: Same part number?
  • [15:26:53] <jkridner|work> same part number. same price.
  • [15:27:09] <Downix> very nice
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  • [15:27:16] <gcohler> Wow. I thought you were raising the price for C. That's great.
  • [15:27:32] <hrw> gcohler: C2 had to be 10$ more
  • [15:27:32] <Downix> still need to figure out how to use the IO bus on it tho before I commit to buy
  • [15:27:32] <eFfeM> cool
  • [15:27:48] <eFfeM> order them before they detect they forgot to rise the price :-)
  • [15:27:58] <hrw> ;D
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  • [15:28:14] * hrw is not made of money too
  • [15:28:22] <hrw> I need to order sheevaplug
  • [15:28:47] <gcohler> hrw: You should plant one of those money trees that my kids have in our back yard.
  • [15:29:22] <eFfeM> gcohler: you mean you live in the back yard
  • [15:29:32] * eFfeM 's kids think eFfeM is a money tree :-)
  • [15:29:33] <Downix> hrw: I am buying one of those, but for a very different reason. I figured, ideal NAS with a USB HDD attached
  • [15:30:21] <gcohler> And now my kids' universities are plucking every leaf off of the tree.
  • [15:30:31] * koen is wondering how the kirkwood performs compared to omap3
  • [15:30:46] <koen> I stopped believing in OMG MHZ!!!! a long time ago
  • [15:31:02] <AV500> what is the mem if?
  • [15:31:26] <koen> DDR2 iirc
  • [15:31:42] <jkridner|work> CircuitCo agree to take the $10 out of their assembly price.
  • [15:31:48] <Downix> koen: I've never believed in Mhz. I remember seeing a 7Mhz Amiga flattening my 50Mhz 486
  • [15:31:54] <jkridner|work> s/agree/agreed/
  • [15:32:05] <eFfeM> jkridner|work: nice! kudo's to them
  • [15:32:21] <koen> Downix: in this case the architectures are similar enough to be able to run the same binary
  • [15:32:29] <AV500> Downix: you dropped it from a great height?
  • [15:32:35] * eFfeM would like to see his old minix code on arm, that would make things fast
  • [15:32:40] <eFfeM> maybe look at minix3
  • [15:33:00] <AV500> maybe you can port the C64 basics
  • [15:33:02] <AV500> maybe you can port the C64 basic
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  • [15:33:10] <Downix> AV500: **laughs** I ment performance. My 486 couldn't even run Win3.1 decent, and here was this crappy 68k machine multitasking without even blinking
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  • [15:34:34] <Downix> it had more RAM than my machine could take to boot, 8MB vs the 4MB I was capped at
  • [15:35:02] <Downix> told me then tho, Mhz is not everything
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  • [15:35:38] <hrw> Downix: I have 486sx/300MHz here
  • [15:35:57] <hrw> Downix: nothing is slower then this
  • [15:36:11] <Downix> hrw: hehe, this was a 486SX2-50
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  • [15:36:27] <eFfeM> hrw: 4.33 Mhz 8088 ?
  • [15:36:36] <Downix> and if you'd like I can dig out my TI-99
  • [15:36:42] <Downix> 800Khz CPU FTW!
  • [15:36:45] <hrw> eFfeM: ok, you beat me
  • [15:36:48] <Downix> not Mhz, Khz!
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  • [15:37:15] <hrw> nothing which runs linux is slower then vortex86sx/300MHz
  • [15:37:16] <eFfeM> still have a TI-57 here, no idea about clock speed
  • [15:37:31] <eFfeM> guess the battery will be gone though, hasn't been switched on for ages
  • [15:37:44] <Downix> eFfeM, the TI-99 wasn't a calculator, it was their attempt at a home computer.
  • [15:38:17] <hrw> bye all
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  • [15:38:37] <eFfeM> ah ok, i might remember that one, at least know of one of their early pc's
  • [15:38:51] <Downix> eFfeM, The upgrade TI-99/4A model boosted the speed to a whopping 3Mhz
  • [15:39:05] <eFfeM> not sure what the speed was of the first system I used at the university, it was 8008 based
  • [15:39:24] <eFfeM> with 16 kb of mem which was more than enough since you had to punch in the opcodes with a hex kbd
  • [15:39:29] <Downix> ok cool
  • [15:39:33] <Downix> you win
  • [15:39:42] <Downix> my first comp was the TI
  • [15:39:52] <Downix> altho I've played with a PDP-11 before
  • [15:39:55] <Downix> still want one
  • [15:40:38] * mru used a machine at uni where the program had to be entered using 8 little switches and a clock button
  • [15:40:41] <Stskeeps> neat, i actually got my omap for dummies even if it 404ed for me :) now here's to hoping it didn't ship for every time i tried :>
  • [15:40:45] <AV500> mru: lavc H264 720x480 MP@L3 1.5mbit cabac MBAFF: ~100ms/per frame incl. yuv
  • [15:41:14] <mru> AV500: not surprised
  • [15:41:24] <mru> try with cavlc
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  • [15:41:37] <Downix> mru: I've done that, but only in the past 5 years. There is something beautiful about doing that
  • [15:41:54] <mru> AV500: does it use any fancy prediction modes?
  • [15:41:57] <eFfeM> who do i need to talk to if I want to add a patch to linux-omap-2.6.28 ?
  • [15:42:10] <mib_pbnnu2> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to get packages installed on a beagle without going online?
  • [15:42:11] <AV500> no idea, that info in inside the image that I see :-)
  • [15:42:11] <mru> weighted pred, qpel, etc
  • [15:42:21] <mru> oprofile it
  • [15:42:26] <mru> that will tell you
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  • [15:43:30] <mib_pbnnu2> Or what is the easiest way to get a beagleboard connected to the internet?
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  • [15:43:41] <Downix> mib_pbnnu2, usb ethernet adaptor
  • [15:43:43] <AV500> mib_pbnnu2: usb2eth
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  • [15:44:04] <koen> wet piece of string or pidgeons
  • [15:44:11] <mib_pbnnu2> Any brand suggestions that work with Linux?
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  • [15:44:20] <eFfeM> koen, why wet ?
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  • [15:44:49] <koen> conducts better :)
  • [15:45:09] <gcohler> I'd suggest salt water then.
  • [15:45:10] <AV500> mru: another one: H264 720x480 BP@L3 4mbit cavlc prog: ~70ms/per frame incl. yuv
  • [15:46:06] <gcohler> mib_pbnnu2: I think you could copy the .ipk files onto the SD card and then use opkg to install them locally.
  • [15:46:39] <gcohler> mib_pbnnu2: Most of the USB to Ethernet Adapters that are out there seem to work.
  • [15:47:01] <gcohler> mib_pbnnu2: Just be sure to plug them into a USB Hub (powered) and plug the Hub into the Beagle.
  • [15:47:04] <mib_pbnnu2> Any idea where to get the .ipk files from (kinda new at this stuff -_-')
  • [15:47:20] <Downix> hey, can you power the Beagle off of a powered hub?
  • [15:47:21] <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/untested/uImage-2.6.28-r17-beagleboard.bin should have support for all known usb2eth adaptors builtin
  • [15:47:23] <mru> AV500: are these samples representative stuff people might want to play?
  • [15:47:29] <koen> known to linux 2.6.28, that is
  • [15:47:31] <gcohler> angstrom-distribution.org/feeds (or something like that).
  • [15:47:45] <AV500> mru: you sound like an indian codec vendor :-)
  • [15:47:52] <mru> ;-)
  • [15:48:07] <AV500> "tell us, what is the use case?"
  • [15:48:17] <AV500> "well, play every bloody file out there!"
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  • [15:48:39] <mru> I don't have time to try them all
  • [15:48:57] <AV500> I know.
  • [15:49:00] <mib_pbnnu2> Where can I get the .ipk files an d what video software are people using on this thing?
  • [15:49:24] <mru> the h264 decoder has so many things that can be optimised
  • [15:49:29] <AV500> still, for content that "behaves" even H264 VGA is fine on the cortex
  • [15:49:31] <mru> but most files use only a few of them
  • [15:49:44] <mru> that's why I'm curious about these files
  • [15:49:50] <AV500> we tried to get more info with --debug 10000
  • [15:49:54] <AV500> we tried to get more info with ffplay --debug 10000
  • [15:50:03] <AV500> but it did not tell us h264 "features!"
  • [15:50:04] <eFfeM> Downix: yes but if the hub is on the otg port you need a cable to go from usb to the power connector
  • [15:50:08] <mru> I want to make sure the most commonly used features are well optimised
  • [15:50:12] * eFfeM still needs ot make one
  • [15:50:21] <AV500> I can give you the files if you want
  • [15:50:54] <Downix> eFfeM, ok, just checking options. I want my homemade netbook, so figuring out the power supply issues
  • [15:52:31] <mru> AV500: yes, please
  • [15:52:36] <eFfeM> beagle can be fed from otg but not if there is a hub attached to it
  • [15:52:53] <mru> AV500: are you familiar with ffmpeg sample upload procedure?
  • [15:53:08] <Downix> eFfeM, so I'd need to split power to both the beagle and the hub, no big deal
  • [15:56:51] <eFfeM> Downix: you can also make or buy a cable with usb at one side and a power plug at the other side
  • [15:57:01] <eFfeM> but taht eats up an usb port of your hub
  • [15:58:27] <Downix> eFfeM, not a bad option, all in all. Found a battery powered Hub to work with is why I was thinking that way
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  • [15:59:01] <AV500> mru: I though more of posting them as outlook mail attachments to ff_devel, no? :-)
  • [16:02:27] <eFfeM> downix can you give a link to that hub ?
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  • [16:03:05] <Downix> eFfeM, have the link at work, one sec and let's see if I can find it again.
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  • [16:03:43] <eFfeM> Downix: from the beagleboard shoppign list: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8639
  • [16:03:44] <mib_pbnnu2> DO you know of a way to create a .ipk file with the BB architecture?
  • [16:03:59] <eFfeM> bitbake packagename ?
  • [16:04:23] <eFfeM> mib_pbnnu2: suggest you read a page on getting started with oe (e.g. the one on elinux)
  • [16:04:26] <mib_pbnnu2> is that command supported on BB natively?
  • [16:04:45] <mib_pbnnu2> I'll check that link though
  • [16:04:59] <eFfeM> oh you want to run on the beagleboard, then you need to install some packages i guess
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  • [16:05:17] <eFfeM> btw an ipk file is just an ar archive in disguise
  • [16:06:02] <mib_pbnnu2> Yea, what I would like to do is run a webcam program on the beagleboard. But I have to find out how to install it
  • [16:06:47] <eFfeM> mib_pbnnu2: that is different from creating an ipk
  • [16:07:59] <mib_pbnnu2> Then what would you recommend?
  • [16:08:43] <eFfeM> opkg update;opkg install webcam (or whetever the name of the package is you want to install)
  • [16:09:43] <eFfeM> probably read a little bit at www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard first
  • [16:10:12] <mib_pbnnu2> Should I have the Beagleboard connected to the internet then as I do this?
  • [16:10:40] <eFfeM> yes otherwise it cannot download the package
  • [16:10:56] <Downix> eFfeM, I think this was it: http://www.buy.com/prod/cyber-power-portable-battery-powered-usb-hub-cp-h420mp-cyberpower-usb/q/loc/101/203067541.html based on the power consumption I'm figuring, would get an hour or two w/ the LCD added
  • [16:12:03] <Downix> eFfeM, otherwise, need to find a power system to plug into both a hub and the beagle
  • [16:12:12] <eFfeM> cool
  • [16:12:14] <Downix> eFfeM, not a major deal, just studying my options carefully
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  • [16:12:43] <Downix> eFfeM, funniest bit is, the keyboard/mouse was a lot easier to find than I'd thought it would be
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  • [16:14:30] <eFfeM> nice, 8.99, no free shipping to nl that is less nice
  • [16:14:48] <eFfeM> Downix: any special kbd you ordered?
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  • [16:15:35] <Downix> eFfeM, the brando illuminated
  • [16:16:11] <eFfeM> ouch
  • [16:16:21] <eFfeM> illuminated
  • [16:16:47] <Downix> eFfeM, I know, adds an extra .4W to the power consumption
  • [16:16:53] <Downix> they make a non-illuminated one as well
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  • [16:20:27] <Downix> eFfeM, looks impressive tho
  • [16:21:18] <eFfeM> if you want something impressive you should get the projector kbd that florian has
  • [16:21:37] <Downix> eFfeM, ok, not going for that impressive
  • [16:21:38] <Downix> 8)
  • [16:21:44] <eFfeM> http://www.luxist.com/2006/07/31/projector-keyboard/
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  • [16:22:56] <Downix> eFfeM, My bigger concern is in finding a pointing device
  • [16:23:29] <eFfeM> wiimote
  • [16:23:49] <Downix> my son would kill me if I hacked one of his wiimotes
  • [16:23:57] <eFfeM> no need to hack it
  • [16:24:17] <eFfeM> http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James#Adding_WiiMote_support
  • [16:24:33] <eFfeM> but i bought an additional wiimote, didn't want to fight for it
  • [16:24:38] <Downix> plus, would be a bit big to carry around
  • [16:24:42] <eFfeM> true
  • [16:25:30] <eFfeM> there are a few micelike devices that do not need a surface, i seem to recall logitech has one, it has mx-air or something like that
  • [16:25:34] <eFfeM> it has air in the name
  • [16:25:37] <eFfeM> no idea about size
  • [16:27:01] <Downix> I'd prefer something like a mini trackball, touchpad or one of those old eraser mice
  • [16:27:38] <uberfry> is there any way to profit from game development on linux?
  • [16:27:38] <eFfeM> afk
  • [16:29:02] <Downix> uberfry, same ways you would on Windows.
  • [16:29:03] <mru> uberfry: doubtful
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  • [16:29:28] <mru> if you go to a game shop, how many linux games do you see?
  • [16:29:47] <AV500> mru: linux IS the game
  • [16:29:59] <uberfry> Downix: binary distribution?
  • [16:30:05] <uberfry> mru: well sure
  • [16:30:10] <uberfry> but I want to distribute it online ;)
  • [16:30:16] <uberfry> with a little paypal button
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  • [16:30:57] <AV500> uberfry: post an url for the eval version here 1st :-)
  • [16:31:05] <uberfry> haha not yet made
  • [16:31:15] <uberfry> barely started writing the "engine"
  • [16:31:20] <Downix> uberfry, You have to make something people are willing to purchase, which is accessable. You have an advantage in that there is a growing Linux on Netbook market, if your game can run on them, or on Googles android platform, there is a way
  • [16:31:48] <uberfry> sure, I'll make it sdl though
  • [16:31:57] <uberfry> think that's sellable still?
  • [16:32:25] <Downix> the issue is not that it's sellable, it is in getting the distribution chain together
  • [16:32:36] <Downix> that is why it is difficult, there really isn't one yet
  • [16:32:37] <uberfry> make a site with a paypal will work, no?
  • [16:32:49] <Downix> I mean more than just how you'll accept payments
  • [16:33:04] <Downix> how will you get people to know it is out there, that it will work with their machines, etc?
  • [16:33:13] <uberfry> reviews in mags :)
  • [16:33:16] <AV500> uberfry: before you worry about the commercial part, concentrate on your engine and think hard whether game engine #1045 is really needed
  • [16:33:28] <Downix> I will agree with AV500 there
  • [16:33:44] <uberfry> I think it IS needed since I can't just take one that's out there and sell it...
  • [16:33:48] <uberfry> my game won't be spectacular
  • [16:33:52] <uberfry> but still fun
  • [16:33:58] <AV500> so, who will buy it then
  • [16:34:00] <uberfry> you ever played mario bros on ds?
  • [16:34:19] <AV500> no, lego on the floor
  • [16:34:21] <Downix> yes actually
  • [16:34:32] <uberfry> well my idea is similar to mario bros ds
  • [16:34:36] <AV500> floor 1.0 actually
  • [16:34:43] <uberfry> but just a bit more violent ;)
  • [16:34:49] <uberfry> cutting heads and stuff
  • [16:35:09] <Downix> ok, found a touchpad, it's a bit bigger than I'd wanted tho
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  • [16:35:37] <Downix> uberfry, Will it be playable on a 400Mhz machine with 256MB of RAM?
  • [16:35:41] <uberfry> yes
  • [16:35:43] <uberfry> of course!!
  • [16:35:50] <uberfry> maybe even 100Mhz
  • [16:36:00] <Downix> then you have plenty of options
  • [16:36:05] <AV500> cool, you can run a 6 player mutligame on BB then!
  • [16:36:17] <uberfry> lol ;D
  • [16:36:25] <uberfry> you still know what BBS is?
  • [16:36:36] <Downix> I used to hang on a BBS
  • [16:36:45] <uberfry> that shit's so old
  • [16:37:09] <uberfry> wish it still existed though
  • [16:37:23] <Downix> old != bad
  • [16:37:34] <Downix> says the guy setting up a 25 year old computer
  • [16:37:52] <uberfry> lol ;)
  • [16:38:05] <uberfry> http://image.jeuxvideo.com/images/ds/n/s/nsmbds006.jpg
  • [16:38:10] <Downix> 1Mhz 6510!
  • [16:38:10] <uberfry> I've never been able to afford a ds
  • [16:38:17] <uberfry> but if I had one, it would be the first game to be bought
  • [16:38:48] <Downix> first one we bought was Pokemon rangers
  • [16:38:49] <Downix> 8)
  • [16:38:57] <uberfry> gameboy you mean?
  • [16:39:03] <Downix> no, DS
  • [16:39:08] <uberfry> oic
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  • [16:39:29] <uberfry> I hope I get a bigger pay next semester
  • [16:39:33] <uberfry> I really want to buy a ds
  • [16:39:36] <Downix> eFfeM, I found a kb+touchpad for a good price, but it's 40% larger, full laptop size.
  • [16:41:02] <Downix> eFfeM, course if I used that, could just re-use my spare 15" LCD
  • [16:42:56] <Downix> not a netbook anymore, then a full laptop, in which case the beagles 256M of ram might be too limiting, grr...
  • [16:46:32] <Downix> OH! Found a tiny trackball, it'll have to be a plug-in, but I could make a cradle for it
  • [16:46:43] <Downix> http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0256
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  • [16:52:08] <davidcb1> uberfry: You can sell a game based on Irrlicht or Ogre engines.
  • [16:52:19] <uberfry> are they any good for jump n run?
  • [16:52:45] <davidcb1> Don't know that.
  • [16:52:48] <uberfry> hehehe
  • [16:52:51] <uberfry> googling brb
  • [16:53:30] <uberfry> ahhhh too bad it's 3d engine
  • [16:53:44] <davidcb1> And Torque but it is not free, just cheap.
  • [16:53:52] <uberfry> cheap? how cheap?
  • [16:54:22] <uberfry> heh
  • [16:54:23] <uberfry> 6k
  • [16:54:28] <uberfry> I don't have 200bucks right ;)
  • [16:54:29] <uberfry> now
  • [16:54:30] <davidcb1> They had a couple of different versions last time I checked, ranged from $150 to $250
  • [16:54:38] <uberfry> they say 6k
  • [16:54:40] <davidcb1> But only for indies.
  • [16:54:53] <uberfry> oh wait
  • [16:54:54] <uberfry> 250
  • [16:55:01] <uberfry> not bad
  • [16:55:02] <davidcb1> If you have a publisher they charge more.
  • [16:55:18] <uberfry> but I think for my first game I'll make my own engine
  • [16:55:27] <davidcb1> Cool
  • [16:55:28] <uberfry> it's also a "get some experience" thing
  • [16:55:47] <davidcb1> True
  • [16:55:55] <uberfry> but thanks for the refs
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  • [16:57:24] <uberfry> torque is remarkable though...
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  • [17:14:52] <ds2> arrggg
  • [17:14:54] <eFfeM> has anyone installed debian on their beagle? if so are you willing to share an image (apparently the kernel does not like neither my kbd+mouse nor my wifi dongle)
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  • [18:13:10] <kergoth_> koen: you started looking at darwin fixes right?
  • [18:13:54] <kulve> does the rev c now have 256MB of memory?
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  • [18:14:30] <Downix> that is what the doc say
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  • [18:14:57] <kulve> great. Just read the announcement that the rev c is being sold already
  • [18:15:05] <skipisz> Rev C does have 256MB memory.
  • [18:15:39] <Downix> I just need to find the parts I need to do what I want to with the Beagle
  • [18:15:50] <Downix> then convince the wife....
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  • [18:16:14] <koen> kergoth_: yes, it's all in a branch
  • [18:16:32] <koen> kergoth_: but I've hit a strange issue where OE will ignore parts of PATH
  • [18:16:34] <kergoth_> ah, okay, thanks. i'll start there.
  • [18:16:42] <kergoth_> hmm
  • [18:16:44] <koen> kergoth_: the bits where I have installed quilt and friends
  • [18:16:57] <koen> darwinports puts everything in /opt/local
  • [18:17:04] <kergoth_> the first issue i hit was it wanting wget, but making a curl fetcher and making it use it was easy enough.. the only part that breaks is the tarball stash stuff, since that hardcodes wget
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  • [18:17:41] <koen> kergoth_: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/log/&h=koen/darwin-host-fixes
  • [18:17:48] <kergoth_> thanks
  • [18:18:08] * kergoth_ doesn't have a pressing need for the ability to build on his macbook, but it's one of those long standing annoyances that itd be nice to get fixed
  • [18:18:22] <koen> most of those commits feel wrong to me, hence the rotting in a branch
  • [18:18:32] <kergoth_> nod
  • [18:18:35] <Downix> And here I am tinkering with Gentoo....
  • [18:18:45] <kergoth_> i expect itll be a pain to make it work without messing it up on other platforms
  • [18:18:54] <Downix> install Gentoo on an Ultra SPARC IIi sometime if you wish for pain....
  • [18:19:14] <kergoth_> itd be kind of nice if you could put aliases into the bitbake emitted shell scripts, for things like sed->/opt/local/bin/gsed
  • [18:19:28] <Downix> Hm, I'd be curious as to how the Beagle handles gentoo...
  • [18:19:29] * jkridner|work really needs to get back to darwin fixes again.
  • [18:19:51] <Downix> is beagle BE or LE?
  • [18:19:57] <mru> LE
  • [18:20:01] <Downix> ok
  • [18:20:07] <kergoth_> hmmm
  • [18:20:10] <mru> gentoo cross-compiles fine for beagle
  • [18:20:15] <Downix> (there went that idea)
  • [18:20:21] <bkero> It supports both byte orderings
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  • [18:20:46] <bkero> At least standard ARM9 does
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  • [18:20:55] <mru> omap3 is not arm9
  • [18:21:00] <Downix> mru: I'll get my crosscompiler setup for it.
  • [18:21:07] <mru> you'd be mad to run an omap3 big endian
  • [18:21:25] <Downix> bkero: you still have to wire up the hardware such for BE or LE modes, otherwise you couldn't boot
  • [18:21:57] <Downix> I prefer BE, but can live with LE
  • [18:22:09] <mru> armv7 always fetches instructions LE
  • [18:22:15] <mru> data can be switched
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  • [18:22:43] <mru> it's LE on reset
  • [18:22:44] <bkero> I've switched between BE and LE on my slug in the past. Little arm5
  • [18:22:54] <mru> v5 you mean
  • [18:22:59] <mru> that's completely different
  • [18:23:00] <bkero> armv5te
  • [18:23:23] <bkero> It's an ixp425
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  • [18:23:38] <mru> armv5 is a different beast
  • [18:24:00] <mru> and all the omap3 onchip stuff works better if the cpu is le
  • [18:24:16] <Downix> because the OMAP is a SoC
  • [18:24:28] <Downix> the rest of the system is LE I am guessing
  • [18:24:37] <Downix> I know the PowerVR is, worked with them in the past
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  • [18:27:03] <Downix> ok, all onboard
  • [18:27:05] <Downix> can deal
  • [18:27:26] <Downix> do need to figure out how to use the IO bus and then how to mate up the BE components I already have to it
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  • [18:28:04] <Crofton|work> what is the new sponsored project program?
  • [18:28:29] <koen> Crofton|work: add cool idea, receive beagle, work on cool idea
  • [18:28:55] <Crofton|work> you only get a beagle?
  • [18:29:05] <Crofton|work> no cash :)
  • [18:29:10] <Downix> Crofton|work, more than many get
  • [18:29:15] <koen> the idea was to give them something like the beaglekit at specialcomp
  • [18:29:30] <koen> if we're both talking about the beagle contest #3
  • [18:29:52] <Crofton|work> this was listed in the ESC registration email jkridner just sent
  • [18:30:05] <bkero> lol boris
  • [18:30:18] <Crofton|work> Boris is my friend on facebook!
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  • [18:30:58] <Downix> **laughs**
  • [18:31:02] <koen> Crofton|work: yeah, contest #3 is that program I thinl
  • [18:31:13] <Downix> and Robert Altman is my friend on Facebook, big deal
  • [18:31:50] <bkero> Facebook is the most pathetic dickwaving :P
  • [18:32:10] <Crofton> Facebook is awesome
  • [18:32:16] <Crofton> it is just like twitter now
  • [18:32:21] * mru isn't on facebook
  • [18:32:25] <mru> or twitter
  • [18:32:41] <koen> Crofton: twitter is like identi.ca, right?
  • [18:32:42] <Crofton|work> well, they are now just a little less awesome :)
  • [18:32:49] <bkero> They keep pestering me to interview with them. Haven't gotten around to it. I enjoy my job too much. Instead of helping open source projects, I'd be helping attention-starved preteens. :(
  • [18:33:27] <koen> Crofton|work: don't be so elitist!
  • [18:33:43] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [18:33:49] <Crofton|work> right on indenti.ca
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  • [18:35:23] <koen> it's fun to go to a geek conference and pretend you don't know what twitter, facebook and flickr is
  • [18:36:04] <Downix> koen: even more fun when you discuss Gophering for stuff
  • [18:36:09] <fenn> twitter? what? is that like IRC for the computer challenged?
  • [18:36:18] * Crofton has used gopher
  • [18:36:30] <jkridner|work> just corrected the BBSRM_latest.pdf link.
  • [18:36:46] <mru> koen: pretend?
  • [18:36:56] <fenn> bkero: what were the awful consumer video glasses you got to use with the beagle?
  • [18:36:57] <mru> I honestly don't know what people do with those things
  • [18:37:12] <bkero> fenn: myvu crystals
  • [18:37:24] <bkero> I'm still looking for some with dvi/hdmi input
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  • [18:37:49] <bkero> mru: Right now it's a transclucent irssi :)
  • [18:38:09] <bkero> So I can stare at your words superimposed on my cereal.
  • [18:38:20] <fenn> bkero: are they usable? (satisfactory isnt the right word i guess)
  • [18:38:21] <mru> I'm honoured
  • [18:38:34] <fenn> all i want for christmas is an xterm
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  • [18:39:13] <bkero> fenn: 640x480 kinda sucks, but one-term-at-a-time is usable. They're uncomfortable and look dorky as hell
  • [18:39:15] * mru has 14 xterms open at the moment
  • [18:39:43] * bkero has 14 as well. http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/newmonitor.jpg
  • [18:40:12] <koen> wikipedia has just tought me that a fuel-air bomb is the best way to kill gophers
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  • [18:40:43] <fenn> certainly the most entertaining
  • [18:40:47] <mru> I would've though a nuke to be at least as good
  • [18:40:47] <electricgirl_907> When trying to flash uImage everything goes fine until the last step. Can somebody please help me?
  • [18:40:51] <bkero> My father taught me that small children and 22 calibre rifles is the best way to kill gophers :)
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  • [18:41:26] <electricgirl_907> OMAP3 beagleboard.org # bootm 0x80300000
  • [18:41:34] <electricgirl_907> this is where it messes up
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  • [18:42:13] <electricgirl_907> after hiting enter, it reads "Wrong Image Format for bootm command"
  • [18:42:16] <electricgirl_907> "ERROR: can't get kernel image!"
  • [18:42:32] <electricgirl_907> any ideas?
  • [18:43:15] <mru> that means there's garbage at that address
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  • [18:44:45] <electricgirl_907> how do I fix this garbage?
  • [18:44:45] <eFfeM> hi guys, need advise: i have a kernel patch which solves the error -110 that I get with my SDHC card in .28 (which worked like a charm with .27)
  • [18:44:45] <eFfeM> the change is very simple, just extend a timeout.
  • [18:44:45] <eFfeM> what should I do with this patch?
  • [18:44:45] <eFfeM> a) add it to oe, bump kernel PR and commit
  • [18:44:45] <eFfeM> b) email to the oe mailing list
  • [18:44:47] <eFfeM> c) email to hte beagleboard mailing list
  • [18:44:49] <eFfeM> d) email to the linux omap mailing list
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  • [18:44:51] <eFfeM> e) something else
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  • [18:44:53] <eFfeM> please advise!
  • [18:45:41] <mru> d at least
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  • [18:46:00] <mru> I'd do d first and wait for a response
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  • [18:46:25] <mru> if the experts say it's the correct fix, then a
  • [18:46:27] <koen> mru: bcd
  • [18:46:32] <koen> ehm
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  • [18:46:38] <koen> eFfeM: acd
  • [18:46:50] <koen> coffee high has worn off
  • [18:47:04] <mru> add to oe without getting a second opinion?
  • [18:47:20] <suihkulokki> eFfeM: cc: the mmc subsystem maintainer in kernel when posting linux-omap
  • [18:47:25] <koen> does the term 'bikeshed' ring a bell?
  • [18:47:32] <eFfeM> note that it is a harmless timing issue
  • [18:47:53] <mru> electricgirl_907: how did you load the kernel image to 80300000?
  • [18:48:00] <electricgirl_907> mru: how do I fix this garbage problem? Any sugestions?
  • [18:48:44] <electricgirl_907> i followed the instructions exactly as shown here: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing
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  • [18:49:05] <mru> I always load the kernel from SD card
  • [18:49:33] <eFfeM> see this one: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/20/124 actually the 300 ms is already there so I changed to 500 ms and also doubled the read limit
  • [18:49:33] <eFfeM> still testing whether i need both
  • [18:49:48] <eFfeM> btw it is a kingston sdhc class 6 card
  • [18:49:49] <electricgirl_907> mru: which command do I use to do that?
  • [18:50:59] <mru> fatload mmc 0 80300000 uImage
  • [18:51:07] <mru> assuming that's the name of the file
  • [18:51:26] <mru> after mmcinit of course
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  • [18:53:43] <electricgirl_907> mru: it reads it fine. "reading uImage.bin" "2578044 bytes read"
  • [18:53:58] <electricgirl_907> and back to the promt
  • [18:54:04] <mru> yes, now bootm
  • [18:54:08] <mru> bootm 80300000
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  • [18:56:37] <electricgirl_907> mru: ah I think that was the problem, i did not put the 80300000 in. So it says that it is done booting the kernel, but there is no way to input any text. Is that normal?
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  • [18:59:27] <mru> did the kernel boot or not?
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  • [19:01:57] <electricgirl_907> yes. and then it started the kernel...uncompressed linux..... and the last output is "done, booting the kernel."
  • [19:02:17] <russ> mru: I bet its not using ttyS2 as a console
  • [19:02:24] <russ> electricgirl_907: did you set a command line?
  • [19:02:36] <electricgirl_907> no
  • [19:02:54] <electricgirl_907> wait, what do you mean?
  • [19:03:07] <russ> the uboot bootargs option
  • [19:03:15] <russ> go back into uboot and type printenv
  • [19:03:59] <electricgirl_907> ok.
  • [19:04:20] <electricgirl_907> now what?
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  • [19:10:34] <russ> electricgirl_907: are you trying to boot from mmc?
  • [19:10:45] <russ> where is your root filesystem?
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  • [19:24:41] <electricgirl_907> I am booting from mmc
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  • [19:26:00] <russ> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BootingBeagleBoard
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  • [19:26:44] <davet> what type of software is everyone using for webcams?
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  • [19:34:05] <davet> i also need to find out if my webcam is working with BB
  • [19:34:25] <davet> i did dmesg, but not sure if its compatible
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  • [19:37:12] <jkridner|work> hi electricgirl_907. where aer you stuck now?
  • [19:37:48] <jkridner|work> did you do the printenv? can you share the output using pastebin? if you are on http://beagleboard.org/chat, there is a pastebin button.
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  • [19:40:14] <jconnolly> hi all... does anyone know: how does networking work with the beagle board and beagleboard-demo-image? is it usb networking?
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  • [19:45:20] <electricgirl_907> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/c7T2ls
  • [19:45:24] <jkridner|work> jconnolly: typically adding a USB hub and USB Ethernet adapter, but USB net (RNDIS/CDC) is used at times as well.
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  • [19:46:30] <tharvey> jkridner|work, did you say the beagles for sale on digikey are now rev C2?
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  • [19:47:05] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: looks like you missed some vars thanks to hyperterminal. try "printenv bootcmd"
  • [19:47:10] <jkridner|work> tharvey: yes.
  • [19:47:16] <tharvey> thx
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  • [19:47:36] <electricgirl_907> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/kzAaHr
  • [19:47:37] <jkridner|work> no more Rev B7 in stock. All new orders will be for Rev C2.
  • [19:47:40] <jconnolly> jkridner|work: ok, that's good. i looked at /etc/network/interfaces and saw usb0 there
  • [19:47:43] <jconnolly> thanks
  • [19:47:47] <electricgirl_907> that is a prinenv from the start
  • [19:47:53] <russ> electricgirl_907: I don't see anything that sets your console, eg, console=ttyS2,115200
  • [19:47:58] <mru> electricgirl_907: please don't use coloured text
  • [19:48:04] <russ> if anyone needs a B7, I'll trade
  • [19:48:22] <electricgirl_907> opps, sorry about that
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  • [19:48:52] <davet> anyone know how to check if a webcam is working with BB?
  • [19:49:03] <russ> maybe ${console} magically knows, I don't know enough about uboot
  • [19:49:12] <electricgirl_907> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/2deEEh
  • [19:49:23] <jkridner|work> jconnolly: I've found that I need to make sure that usb0 is down to use eth0 (usb ethernet adapter), but you might expect that.
  • [19:49:26] <electricgirl_907> that is with the printenv bootcmd
  • [19:50:12] <davet> i did dmesg, but am unsure if the webcam is working
  • [19:50:23] <jconnolly> jkridner|work: for now I'll be using RNDIS/CDC until I get a usb ethernet adapter
  • [19:50:26] <jconnolly> thanks
  • [19:50:31] <jconnolly> maybe i'll take a walk to bestbuy
  • [19:50:46] <eFfeM> davet you might want to look at http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard/James#Using_a_webcam
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  • [19:51:11] <jkridner|work> jconnolly: that works fine with the beagleboard-demo-image if you give a good address and do 'ifconfig usb0 up'
  • [19:51:29] <jconnolly> perfect, thanks again
  • [19:51:49] <eFfeM> actually if you have a /dev/video0 and dd if=/dev/video0 of=/tmp/tstfile and you leave that running for 20 seconds or so before you hit ^C you can determine it
  • [19:52:01] <eFfeM> if your tstfile is not empty you got data from the webcam
  • [19:52:09] <eFfeM> od -cx /dev/video0 might also do the trick
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  • [19:53:24] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: can you do "printenv console"?
  • [19:53:48] <Downix> eFfeM, Trying to hunt down an alternative battery system now, they don't make this easy
  • [19:53:50] <eFfeM> and dmesg should at least give info if the webcam is detected; if in doubt unplug then do a dmesg | tail, then plug and do a dmesg | tail again
  • [19:54:00] <electricgirl_907> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/NnFi1U
  • [19:54:07] <eFfeM> Downix: what is wrong with the one with the hub
  • [19:54:12] <eze2learn> hi there, i'm new to beagle board and i need some help! my quuestion is: in which folder i should copy the Linux.inf RNDIS driver configuration file on my Windows PC? please help! thank you
  • [19:54:17] <electricgirl_907> that is printenv console
  • [19:54:36] <eFfeM> what is a windows pc?
  • [19:54:41] <Downix> eFfeM, Not sure if it will have enough juice with the LCD if I'm forced to use my 15". Having poor luck sourcing a 7-10"
  • [19:54:49] <Downix> eFfeM, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg anyways
  • [19:54:57] * eFfeM knows about acer pc's and hp pc's and ibm pc's etc
  • [19:55:32] <eFfeM> downix, if you find a good battery option I am interested, you might want to look at laptop batteries
  • [19:55:37] <eze2learn> windows pc as a host machine
  • [19:55:41] <Downix> eFfeM, I prefer DEC PC's.... man I miss Digital
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  • [19:55:55] <electricgirl_907> Windows is an OS. Windows 200, Windows Vista
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  • [19:55:56] <Downix> eFfeM, I'm hunting around right now.
  • [19:56:06] <eFfeM> not a PC
  • [19:56:10] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: are you trying to boot the kernel using 'bootm' without ever setting the 'bootargs'?
  • [19:56:19] <eFfeM> afk for a while
  • [19:56:26] <jkridner|work> the 'bootcmd' attempts to setup 'bootargs' for you.
  • [19:56:51] <davet> eFfeM: when i tried mplayer it said i didn't have driver, when i did the dmesg | tail i think it found the camera
  • [19:56:55] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: I'm pretty sure eFfeM was being sarcastic. :)
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  • [19:57:32] <electricgirl_907> ummm okay DX
  • [19:57:36] <jkridner|work> then again, I have a hard time paying enough attention to these threads to know what is going on.
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  • [19:58:05] <Downix> jkridner|work, you mean you missed the answer to life, the universe, and where fruitcakes go?
  • [19:58:15] <electricgirl_907> 42
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  • [19:58:59] <jkridner|work> where the fruitcakes go is a bigger mystery to me.
  • [19:58:59] <Downix> Fruitcakes do not go 42, don't be silly
  • [19:59:38] <electricgirl_907> ah, but the answer to life and the universe IS 42.
  • [19:59:45] <jkridner|work> I think they are perpetually regifted and that there is only a finite number of fruitcakes in the universe. perhaps there are 42 of them.
  • [20:00:15] <electricgirl_907> and here I thought you were not able to keep up
  • [20:00:17] <electricgirl_907> XD
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  • [20:01:07] <Downix> jkridner|work, quite possible, and we all keep passing them around
  • [20:01:27] <jkridner|work> we have another of the world's mysteries solved on #beagle. :)
  • [20:02:09] <electricgirl_907> http://widget.mibbit.com/pb/gPiLRp I followed this for bootargs
  • [20:02:36] <jkridner|work> interesting choice of mmcblk0p1.
  • [20:02:45] <electricgirl_907> eh?
  • [20:02:54] <jkridner|work> is that where you put your root file system? the first partition?
  • [20:02:55] <electricgirl_907> I just did what the thing told me to
  • [20:03:13] <jkridner|work> which set of instructions are you following?
  • [20:03:29] <jkridner|work> there are too many beagle booting howtos out there.
  • [20:03:37] <davet> how do i check which version of angstrom I have and what is the newest version?
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  • [20:05:04] <electricgirl_907> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BootingBeagleBoard and this one http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleNANDFlashing and this one http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery
  • [20:05:08] <jkridner|work> cat /etc/angstrom-version
  • [20:05:11] <electricgirl_907> those are the relevant ones
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  • [20:07:18] <electricgirl_907> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowToGetAngstromRunning Is this the one?
  • [20:07:25] <jkridner|work> davet: to find latest, I'd check http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/commit/
  • [20:07:59] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: the right one is up to you! which one are you following?
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  • [20:11:59] <electricgirl_907> trying to figure that out
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  • [20:12:10] <electricgirl_907> How do I check what version my kernel is?
  • [20:12:27] <Crofton> uname -a
  • [20:12:38] <electricgirl_907> i am going with the angstrom one now
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  • [20:15:32] <electricgirl_907> Crofton: that is not a valid command
  • [20:16:01] <Crofton> hmm, I had assumed you had booted
  • [20:16:01] <koen> root@beagleboard:~# uname -a
  • [20:16:02] <koen> Linux beagleboard 2.6.28-omap1 #1 Tue Mar 24 16:49:53 CET 2009 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [20:16:45] <koen> you could try 'iminfo' if you're still in uboot
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  • [20:17:07] <geckosenator> I got an email said RevC is on digikey
  • [20:17:12] <geckosenator> but the price is still $149
  • [20:17:30] <mru> yes, they lowered it
  • [20:17:31] <electricgirl_907> it says 2.6.24
  • [20:17:40] <geckosenator> oh cool
  • [20:17:52] <geckosenator> well crap, I just ordered from digikey yesterday
  • [20:18:25] <geckosenator> but the picture on digikey is a revB
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  • [20:24:04] <eFfeM> davet: it might be that you need some modules, not sure any more
  • [20:25:08] <eFfeM> davet my webcam needs pwc, videodev and v4l1_compat
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  • [20:25:57] <eFfeM> you may also be able to use the vidcat method, but you could also install the modules
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  • [20:26:05] <eFfeM> what webcam do you have
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  • [20:26:36] <jkridner|work> electricgirl_907: until you boot, you cannot easily tell what version is on your MMC card. You can, however, mount the file system and look at the /etc/angstrom-version file.
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  • [20:48:45] <davet> eFfeM: sorry about that got caught up for a while, i have cheap no name webcam, it works with my ubuntu though
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  • [20:50:12] <eFfeM> davet: np, guess you need some modules, it is a good plan to see what modules are needed by the webcam on your ubuntu system
  • [20:52:07] <davet> how do i check the modules?
  • [20:52:20] <eFfeM> lsmod gives a list
  • [20:52:23] <davet> i am pretty sure it doesn't work with the mplayer command either
  • [20:52:40] <eFfeM> well then use the same cmd on the bb
  • [20:52:46] <eFfeM> which works on ubuntu
  • [20:52:53] <davet> i use cheese on ubuntu
  • [20:53:04] <eFfeM> or try the cat /dev/video0 trick i explained before
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  • [20:53:18] <eFfeM> hm cheese is not on the angstrom feed
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  • [20:53:46] <davet> what does the trick do?
  • [20:54:03] <eFfeM> if you have a /dev/video0 your cam is recognised
  • [20:54:04] <davet> its giving me a bunch of weird stuff on ubuntu
  • [20:54:16] <eFfeM> od -cx /dev/video0 will give you the data from the cam
  • [20:54:24] <eFfeM> if there is data your cam is recognized and works
  • [20:54:39] <eFfeM> and it is a matter of loading the rihgt modules and sw
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  • [20:55:12] <eFfeM> afk again
  • [20:55:24] <davet> the od doesn't work
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  • [20:57:07] <mib_h8dbfp> hello
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  • [20:59:56] <mib_d0mrmd> Hello, I was wondering if there was a GSM chip for BB
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  • [21:01:13] <mib_svlran> dammit,
  • [21:01:38] <mib_svlran> I came here just a second ago wondering about a GSM chip for BB
  • [21:01:40] <mib_svlran> is there?
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  • [21:01:50] <mib_svlran> I didn't notice one in the site.
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  • [21:05:43] <mib_svlran> anyone?
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  • [21:10:20] <geckosenator> I finished a website for driving my raw lcd from the HDMI port of the beagle:
  • [21:10:24] <geckosenator> http://digitalsurveyinstruments.com/beagleperiphials/hdmi2parallel/doc/index.htm
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  • [21:18:40] <fenn> geckosenator: you should post the gEDA files
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  • [21:32:21] <eFfeM> koen, you told me a while ago "acd" where a was commit change, taht would bring the kernel up to r16, but I noticed you mentioned an untested r17
  • [21:35:33] <geckosenator> fenn: they are on there, in the directory index
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  • [21:59:23] <sakoman__> geckosenator: congratulations on getting your lcd working!
  • [21:59:53] <ds2> wow working LCDs are popping up like spring flowers
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  • [22:01:03] <sakoman__> ds2: http://www.sakoman.net/omap3/lcd.jpg
  • [22:01:06] <sakoman__> http://www.sakoman.net/omap3/lcd-back.jpg
  • [22:01:49] <ds2> sakoman: but you are cheating... you use the samsung unit :P
  • [22:02:46] <sakoman__> some day you'll have to explain to me how that is cheating :-)
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  • [22:04:15] <ds2> you didn't have to deal with 2 different voltages + backlight
  • [22:04:35] <mru> sakoman__: anything that works for you but not for ds2 is cheating
  • [22:04:45] <ds2> mru: mine works just fine :P
  • [22:04:54] <ds2> even have a poor quality, blurry picture to prove it ;)
  • [22:05:12] <sakoman__> well, join the crowd! post a link!
  • [22:05:26] <ds2> I did, Saturday
  • [22:05:30] <ds2> ;)
  • [22:06:29] <fenn> i posted a poor quality blurry photo of my time machine 15 years ago on alt.timemachines
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  • [22:06:59] <sakoman__> ds2: gonna make me search, eh?
  • [22:07:18] <ds2> one sec
  • [22:07:36] <ds2> wait, you saw it... you even commented on the blurriness
  • [22:08:03] <sakoman__> old timer's disease!
  • [22:08:10] <ds2> http://www.hy-research.com/misc/BeagleLCD.jpg
  • [22:11:05] <sakoman__> I don't recall seeing that, so perhaps I really am losing my mind!
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  • [22:13:11] <mru> that *is* blurry
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  • [22:13:39] <ds2> mru: it is from a Palm Treo... it sort of uh... lacks a macro lense
  • [22:14:03] * mru uses professional kit to take pictures of beagles
  • [22:14:07] <ds2> sakoman_: maybe i am thinking about someone else then. I know I made the same remark about the Treo camera
  • [22:14:21] <ds2> mru: that was taken on the bench 30minutes after it was working
  • [22:14:42] <ds2> maybe it was Sunday come to think of it
  • [22:15:05] <mru> my beagle pictures are of a slightly different nature though...
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  • [22:15:53] <mru> and 30 minutes is plenty of time to fetch the canon
  • [22:17:39] * sakoman__ needs to cook up some interesting demos for next week
  • [22:22:40] <ds2> sakoman: demos for where/what?
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  • [22:23:05] <ds2> I know ESC is next week but... are you running a booth?
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  • [22:28:48] <geckosenator> mru: lets see your pictures
  • [22:29:13] <mru> oh, I was talking about the ones I posted in the 12V thread
  • [22:29:24] <mru> the "overvoltage protection"
  • [22:29:28] <geckosenator> oh
  • [22:30:31] <geckosenator> I got a board for $1.65 that does undervoltage overvoltage and overcurrent
  • [22:30:44] <ds2> but MRU's is so much more robust
  • [22:30:57] <geckosenator> link?
  • [22:31:41] <geckosenator> oh I found it
  • [22:31:47] <geckosenator> it's the beagle under a glass bowl?
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  • [22:32:35] <geckosenator> yes mine can't do as high a voltage either
  • [22:33:40] <geckosenator> also, it can't with stand even lower voltages if there is enough current
  • [22:33:48] <geckosenator> since it would shatter the glass
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  • [22:41:41] <ds2> I want a bridgeport
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  • [22:51:10] <geckosenator> what do you think:
  • [22:51:13] <geckosenator> http://store.gravitech.us/i2crecl.html
  • [22:51:17] <geckosenator> for a realtime clock
  • [22:51:46] <sakoman__> ds2: The Gumstix folks will be doing some demos
  • [22:52:39] <ds2> sakoman__: ah I see. Gordon be there?
  • [22:52:39] <sakoman__> I'm honestly not sure where their setup is
  • [22:52:45] <sakoman__> Yes
  • [22:52:56] <ds2> Cool... finally be able to a face to the name
  • [22:53:03] <sakoman__> I don't think they have a full fledged booth
  • [22:53:24] <ds2> oh... wonder if they still get the free show pass
  • [22:54:40] <sakoman__> Don't know the specifics, just that I need to get them an interesting DVI based demo and another for the LCD
  • [22:55:01] <sakoman__> I think the DVI based stuff is in good shape
  • [22:55:26] <sakoman__> Trying to something more "embedded" for the LCD
  • [22:56:12] * mru is interested in demo ideas involving ffmpeg
  • [22:56:17] <mru> for linuxtag
  • [22:56:41] <ds2> mru: stream live HBO ;)
  • [22:56:47] <sakoman__> If you get them done by Monday send them over for ESC :-)
  • [22:57:06] <sakoman__> I plan to show DVD playback
  • [22:57:14] <sakoman__> from and external USB drive
  • [22:58:21] <sakoman__> back later, gotta run
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  • [23:17:31] <notByan> if I want to install a program that isn't listed in the package manager
  • [23:17:50] <notByan> how do I go about building an ipkg? is there a toolchain of somesort I can download?
  • [23:19:33] <notByan> well then.. I just found the program I want in the wiki..
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  • [23:20:10] <notByan> ignore me...
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  • [23:22:37] <notByan> mm, nevermind, it was in the James section..
  • [23:22:42] <notByan> hmm
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  • [23:53:38] <ds2> mru: but seriouslyl, a demo streaming live TV would be cool. Live as in live off a USB DVB or ATSC tuner (depending where)
  • [23:54:55] <russ> I would say an hdhomerun
  • [23:55:24] <ds2> if there is time, couple it with a beagle and turn it into a DIY TV, complete with LiRC controlled remote
  • [23:55:53] <ds2> "give a thumb to those TV license folks ;)"
  • [23:56:28] <russ> umm..I don't think we have tv license folks in the US
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