• [00:00:19] <sakoman> gumstix just carries that one -- work fine with hubs that have a mini-B input connector (like both of mine)
  • [00:00:35] <ramiro> sakoman, I used to have burn spots on most of my left hand fingers. then I gave up on soldering... =)
  • [00:01:14] <sakoman> ramiro: I understand. I still have a steady hand, but my eyes aren't so good at close range these days ;-)
  • [00:01:35] <sakoman> have to put on reading glasses to solder smd
  • [00:02:36] <ramiro> jkridner, so if the seller says the cable is USB-A male -> USB mini male 5 pins, is that what I want? (if you don't mind trying to translate some portuguese: http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-82461040-_JM )
  • [00:05:08] <jkridner|work> no, I believe that is a mini-B. it is very square. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
  • [00:05:13] <jkridner|work> mini-A should be more angled.
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  • [00:06:32] <ramiro> jkridner, ah, thanks. I hadn't found a way to differentiate them yet.
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  • [00:07:52] <ramiro> sakoman, the cable you pointed to is minib->minia. is that right?
  • [00:08:50] <sakoman> correct - it will plug into the Beagle OTG USB port with the mini-A male and then the mini-B male plugs into many standard USB hubs
  • [00:09:50] <sakoman> if you have a hub with miniB input it saves some gender changes
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  • [00:24:10] <sakoman> Crofton|work: but then it will hurt!
  • [00:25:44] <Crofton|work> true
  • [00:26:04] <Crofton|work> that is what generic percocet is for
  • [00:26:16] <Crofton|work> the numbness is iiritating
  • [00:26:32] <Crofton|work> bk to tv
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  • [02:32:41] <maelcum> hi. i'm very confused about how to connect the board to a usb hub in host mode.
  • [02:33:19] <maelcum> everybody seems to getting the terminology slightly wrong (wikipedia, retailers)
  • [02:33:56] <maelcum> so anyway, which type of cable or adapter is needed to connect a (powered) hub to the board?
  • [02:34:41] <maelcum> i guess if i take the one from my 2,5" external harddisk with a mini plug that won't work... it works to power the board when connected to the pc though.
  • [02:36:01] <maelcum> the most confusing thing is that i have not yet seen a mini-a plug anywhere yet. they are either called "mini <something completely different like matsushita>" or mini-b...
  • [02:37:53] <geckosenator> there is mini-a and mini-b
  • [02:38:10] <geckosenator> you can get mini-a to a adapters
  • [02:39:00] <maelcum> i know there should be something called mini-a, but tell that to every electronics webshop i've visited :/
  • [02:40:02] <geckosenator> I need one too
  • [02:40:28] <geckosenator> I found one on ebay for $8, I need ot find one for cheaper
  • [02:41:12] <maelcum> there is one that could be correct, it is supposed to plug into e.g. a car radio on one side and connect a usb stick on the other side. but unfortunately the seller seems to have trouble telling A from B...
  • [02:41:17] <TehUni> i found mine at microcenter
  • [02:42:05] <maelcum> http://cgi.ebay.de/USB-Adapter-USB-A-Buchse-USB-mini-5-pol-AUTORADIO_W0QQitemZ220325064099QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Technik_Computerzubeh??r_Kabel_Adapter?hash=item220325064099&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1239|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318
  • [02:42:20] <maelcum> sorry for the huge url... ugh.
  • [02:42:33] <maelcum> it's german too :)
  • [02:44:20] <geckosenator> I keep finding these adapters that have 6 different usb plugs
  • [02:44:24] <geckosenator> not what I want
  • [02:44:35] <maelcum> ahemhem... afaict the navigation at microcenter is horrible as well.
  • [02:45:42] <geckosenator> I found one in hongkong, it's going to cost $6 after shipping :-/
  • [02:47:45] <maelcum> pics? :) - maybe that will help me identify the next mislabeled one i see.
  • [02:52:11] <maelcum> yesss! http://media.digikey.com/photos/Molex/88753-8200,%2088753-8500.jpg
  • [02:52:21] <maelcum> the left one is obviously not type B
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  • [02:54:42] <geckosenator> minia and minib look the same
  • [02:57:46] <maelcum> not on that picture
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  • [03:29:50] <jkridner> http://www.digikey.com/beagleboard finally has a serial cable specifically for the Beagle Board!
  • [03:31:42] <jkridner> I think it is easier to get a hub that supports mini-B and get a mini-A to mini-B cable than to find a mini-A-male to standard-A-female.
  • [03:32:04] <jkridner> I'm glad they have one here now: http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/
  • [03:32:19] <jkridner> $8.50
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  • [03:58:24] <nooomem> jkridner: I got both the OTG and mini-a to mini-b.. the mini-a/b cable is too long :-/
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  • [07:58:55] <suihkulokki> interesting: http://www.khronos.org/opencl/
  • [07:59:23] <suihkulokki> I hope TI DSP's support that some day
  • [08:04:30] <geckosenator> doesn't it already support it in hardware? it's just sofware you need
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  • [08:46:11] <geckosenator> openembedded compiled!
  • [08:46:12] <geckosenator> finally!
  • [08:46:52] <geckosenator> I finally managed to get an external harddrive so I had the disk capacity for it
  • [08:52:42] <koen> INHERIT += "rm_work" in your local.conf
  • [08:57:43] <geckosenator> it removes it after each task?
  • [08:59:26] <geckosenator> it used 9.1 gigs without that
  • [09:00:57] <koen> it removes the the unpackaged sources and buildtree of that package upon completion
  • [09:02:54] <geckosenator> great
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  • [09:11:41] <geckosenator> koen: does that mean if I run it again it will take a longer time because it has to rebuild it?
  • [09:11:57] <koen> no
  • [09:12:01] <geckosenator> it keeps the final binaries then
  • [09:12:13] <geckosenator> and it will see those, and only redo it if the package version is newer
  • [09:12:44] <koen> that's now how it works, but yes :)
  • [09:13:04] <geckosenator> heh, cool
  • [09:13:19] <geckosenator> have you ever run bitbake on the beagle?
  • [09:14:15] <koen> no, it did run it on my nslu2 in the past
  • [09:14:21] <koen> s/it/I/
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  • [09:23:37] <geckosenator> well, it took me 24 hours to run bitbake on my laptop
  • [09:24:07] <geckosenator> but that's mainly because the external harddrive only runs at fullspeed usb
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  • [09:53:50] <koen> zuh, kulve: http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=blob;f=src/omapfb-driver.c;h=6ed64607975af9d677c6a5d42bb6e50c66f784a1;hb=HEAD#l343
  • [09:54:11] <koen> zuh, kulve: is that because the nokia panels can only do 16bpp?
  • [09:56:16] <kulve> zuh: ?
  • [09:57:42] <zuh> It's because it looked like 24bit mode required some additional setup of visuals, but I'm totally not sure if it really did
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  • [10:04:44] <koen> when changing that to 32 bit xf86SetDepthBpp(pSrn, 32,32,32,0) I get a message about weights not being allowed to be 0
  • [10:06:41] <koen> right now I get a split-screen double picture in X
  • [10:06:56] <koen> with 24bpp I get 3 pictures overlapping eachother in X
  • [10:11:42] <zuh> Do you get a "RGB weight" message in the log?
  • [10:12:03] <koen> for 32bpp, yes
  • [10:12:27] <zuh> Something like:
  • [10:12:27] <zuh> (==) FBDEV(0): Depth 16, (==) framebuffer bpp 16
  • [10:12:27] <zuh> (==) FBDEV(0): RGB weight 565
  • [10:15:58] <zuh> Docs say that if the weight is zero, it either takes the "overall server default" (whatever that is) or values from commandline/configfile
  • [10:16:34] <zuh> Just thinking that it might get it wrong and use eg. 565 for it...
  • [10:31:36] <koen> (II) omapfb(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section "Screen0" for depth/fbbpp 32/32
  • [10:31:40] <koen> (==) omapfb(0): Depth 32, (==) framebuffer bpp 32
  • [10:31:42] <koen> (EE) omapfb(0): Weight given (000) is inconsistent with the depth (32)
  • [10:32:24] <koen> if I change it to 8,8,8:
  • [10:32:25] <koen> (EE) omapfb(0): Weight given (888) is inconsistent with the depth (32)
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  • [10:35:27] <koen> ok, fixed it
  • [10:35:39] <florian> good morning
  • [10:35:50] <koen> zuh, tomba: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2483c540716c4a7cb10ed39f786f5c9a.png
  • [10:35:53] <koen> hey florian
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  • [10:38:03] <koen> zuh: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1280590
  • [10:42:07] <tomba> X also should support 24bit packed mode. that would save some memory, and it could even be faster. or not, depending on how X handles the framebuffer writes
  • [10:49:52] <LoneMeow> it would be faster for block copying but slower for any per-pixel ops in the best case
  • [10:51:40] <zuh> koen: Could you try with xf86SetDepthBpp(pScrn, 0, 0, 0, 0) as well?
  • [10:51:51] <zuh> that should use defaults from config...
  • [10:52:02] <tomba> shouldn't drawing a horizontal line be faster with packed mode? less memory accesses.
  • [10:52:22] <LoneMeow> tomba, it's a bit annoying when the pixels don't align with your memory access widths
  • [10:52:24] <AV500> not sure the OMAP3 supports 24bit packed
  • [10:52:29] <LoneMeow> unaligned memory access on ARM is not a good idea
  • [10:52:42] <tomba> AV500, yes it does
  • [10:53:05] <AV500> ok
  • [10:53:07] <tomba> LoneMeow: sure, but if you have a proper line draw function it will just access words or long words
  • [10:53:11] <LoneMeow> and 24bpp will end up with pixels spanning 2 32bit words -> gnnh (yes, you can write a specialized unrolled routine that does blazing fast hlines)
  • [10:53:20] <tomba> =)
  • [10:53:22] <AV500> but then you lose the per pixel alpha to have a nice video background
  • [10:53:39] <LoneMeow> tomba, but it's painful to make it fast on short spans if you spend too much time making it fast on long spans
  • [10:53:52] <LoneMeow> I hit this snag when I was trying to optimize some pixman routines
  • [10:54:07] <AV500> putPixelOdd() and putPixelEven()
  • [10:54:13] <LoneMeow> they were incredibly fast for large regions and incredibly slow on small ones (comparably) which kinda ruined the results
  • [10:54:37] <tomba> packed mode will also consume less memory bandwidth when DSS reads the data, so more bandwidth for applications. but yes, I would guess that unpacked is generally faster
  • [10:55:01] <LoneMeow> what I really want is a proper (2D) graphics chip
  • [10:56:11] <tomba> do you think sgx has too much overhead when doing 2D?
  • [10:56:15] <AV500> NVIDIA and AMD make some
  • [10:56:29] <LoneMeow> tomba, I think SGX has too much overhead in not having existing docs/drivers
  • [10:56:36] <LoneMeow> it doesn't help me when I can't use it, sop
  • [10:57:35] <koen> LoneMeow: did you see the nokia code drop?
  • [10:58:01] <LoneMeow> koen, yes
  • [10:58:04] <LoneMeow> does not make me any happier
  • [10:58:06] <koen> tomba: is dispc.c used in DSS2?
  • [10:58:28] <tomba> koen: yes and no. arch/arm/plat-omap/dss/dispc.c is
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  • [11:00:04] <koen> zuh: testing with xf86SetDepthBpp(pScrn, 0, 0, 0, 0) now
  • [11:02:18] <koen> zuh: that works!
  • [11:03:35] * koen tests with 2.6.26 to be sure
  • [11:04:25] <DJWillis> koen: I see your messing with the XOrg driver, any issues building that from OE GIT at the moment? (just moving our Pandora images to XOrg for testing and it seems bitbake will not checkout the GIT for the driver).
  • [11:04:44] <koen> DJWillis: no issues
  • [11:05:24] <DJWillis> koen: damm, ok, now to find out what I broke...
  • [11:06:38] <koen> zuh: the 0,0,0,0 doesn't work with 2.6.26
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  • [11:06:53] <koen> DJWillis: it would help if the pandora/OE patches were $*(#$*(# public
  • [11:08:03] <koen> I'm tempted to add my own pandora machine file to get around all this secretive bullshit
  • [11:08:26] <zuh> koen: huh? Depends on kernel version? Why?-)
  • [11:09:00] <DJWillis> koen: sensitive, like shit ;-), there just in another GIT for now. Still waiting to hear back from your other dev about getting a board to him.
  • [11:09:11] <zuh> oh, and did you try with specifically setting the depth(s)? eg. from commandline
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  • [11:09:50] <DJWillis> koen: it really is nothing much more then a machine file, kernel, xload, uboot recipies etc. - I could bung them over.
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  • [11:16:34] <koen> zuh: I'm trying to find a solution for having xf86-video-omapfb work on both DSS1 and DSS2 without any user intervention
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  • [11:22:37] <zuh> I suppose the current depth is available from the ofb->state_info too
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  • [11:57:41] <jkridner> good morning all
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  • [12:00:51] <florian> hi jkridner
  • [12:05:04] <Crofton|work> gm
  • [12:05:26] <florian> hi Crofton|work
  • [12:08:09] <jkridner> I saw there was a V4L query on the beagle mailing list. I didn't see that the new DSS (DSS2?) has been pushed yet, has it?
  • [12:17:44] <jkridner> also, no one helped me pick out a video to promote.
  • [12:17:54] <jkridner> any suggestions?
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  • [12:34:45] <koen> jkridner: the 2.6.28rcX kernel in OE uses DSS2 by default, but the TI dudes haven't pushed the code that integrates v4l into it
  • [12:35:29] <jkridner> oh. I thought that had gone out. I'll drop a query then.
  • [12:35:54] <koen> maybe it's in the v4l repo, I don't check that :)
  • [12:36:15] <koen> jkridner: and the query was about scaling, which can be done with DSS2 as well *without* v4l
  • [12:39:51] * Crofton|work is wired, literally
  • [12:49:59] <jkridner> Crofton|work: finally going for electroshock therapy?
  • [12:50:36] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:50:39] <Crofton|work> TENS
  • [12:50:51] <jkridner> koen: I think there was someone looking to use V4L for rendering, not just scaling. I guess they could move, but they are coming from the TI kernel that does everything with V4L.
  • [12:51:02] * jkridner looks up "TENS"
  • [12:51:34] <koen> "They're necessary for me to utilize the advantage of Resizing & Scaling of Beagle. "
  • [12:51:40] <Crofton|work> it is kard to use both hands on kb
  • [12:51:46] <jkridner> k.
  • [12:51:53] <koen> jkridner: and his kernel lacked NEON, which is also weird
  • [12:52:22] <jkridner> yeah, I thought linux-omap turned it on in the defconfig already.
  • [12:53:01] <koen> dunno about that, but OE turns it on
  • [12:53:21] <jkridner> despite the text in the mailing list sign-up, I'm still rejecting people multiple times daily.
  • [12:53:39] <koen> people don't read
  • [12:53:40] <jkridner> I hope they don't get discouraged (or that I really am filtering out spammers).
  • [12:53:46] * koen is almost getting used to that fact
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  • [12:54:59] <koen> zuh: I think the 0,0,0,0 solution is the best, people can always set a defaultdepth in xorg.conf
  • [12:55:46] * koen wishes dsplink would build with >=2.6.27
  • [12:58:41] <geckosenator> openembedded only uses 2.5gigs now after I turned rm_work on
  • [13:03:14] <RogerMonk> Koen -- ***koen wishes dsplink would build with >=2.6.27
  • [13:03:22] <RogerMonk> koen - what's the issue - can I help?
  • [13:03:47] <Crofton|work> header file changes I think
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  • [13:06:15] <kulve> koen: do you have url to xf86-input-tslib in OE? (I never find anything from there..)
  • [13:07:33] <koen> kulve: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-input-tslib_0.0.5.bb
  • [13:07:40] <koen> kulve: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/xorg-driver/xf86-input-tslib
  • [13:07:59] <kulve> oh, cgit there too
  • [13:08:38] <kulve> xf86-video-omapfb can be found under cgit.pingu.fi too..
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  • [13:49:29] <Beagle7> Hi I am trying to run the diagnostic kernal from SD card. After boot, the ethernet shows as unknown RNID device. Can anyone help where i can find the driver for XP?
  • [13:51:15] <adj_> Beagle7: http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnostics
  • [13:51:24] <adj_> search for Linux.inf
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  • [13:53:19] <Beagle7> hi actually i came from the same page you pointed to. I cannot see the device in my network connections because my XP machine cannot find a driver to initialise !
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  • [13:54:05] <Beagle7> once i can see in network connections, i can change the settings mentioned i guess
  • [13:57:01] * koen wonders how much work it would be to make the nokia sgx code drop work with DSS2
  • [13:57:11] <gcohler> Has anyone noticed that on occasion -- e.g. the latest angstrom demo/beagleboard rootfs -- certain icons seem to disappear -- e.g. gimp? It's not a big deal, but seems strange that they are there in some builds and gone in others.
  • [13:57:29] <LoneMeow> koen, should not be too hard once you get the SGX code split from all the other junk in the N patch
  • [13:57:35] <koen> gcohler: go the the enlightenment settings and select an icon-theme
  • [13:57:58] <gcohler> koen: k. thanks. I thought it would be something simple.
  • [13:58:04] <LoneMeow> koen, ...if you happen to have too much spare time and do split the SGX stuff to a separate patch, I am very interested ;)
  • [13:58:12] <koen> LoneMeow: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-omap-2.6.27/pvr/pvr-add.patch&id=dba153e51695d71eec91123468c9ca9ddc97b9dc
  • [13:58:23] <LoneMeow> ooh, someone already had too much time?-D
  • [13:58:28] <koen> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/blob/&id=9ff89fee3d1274b48fea3e802a7740a416dd881b&path=packages/linux/linux-omap-2.6.27/pvr/pvr-add.patch
  • [13:59:29] <koen> LoneMeow: that doesn't have the dispc bits of the pvr stuff, but that's basically a single function: omap_dispc_set_plane_base
  • [13:59:40] <adj_> Beagle7: try searching the RNDIS device in Device Manager and then install that .inf as driver. Beagle indeed won't appear in networking until it has a driver
  • [14:00:13] <LoneMeow> koen, mmyep - now we just need someone to reverse engineer the SGX commands enough that we can actually use it ;)
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  • [14:01:28] <Beagle7> adj_ thank you i'll search for that.
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  • [14:03:10] <koen> LoneMeow: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/
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  • [14:07:27] <LoneMeow> koen, thanks - I'll look into the stuff later, gotta go now
  • [14:08:57] <Crofton> ok, both hands on kb
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  • [14:18:07] <dcordes> koen, hi. did you register for a free projector :) ?
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  • [14:21:49] <koen> dcordes: yes, and it's on its way from dallas :)
  • [14:23:16] <dcordes> koen, nice. I need one, too. did you say 'Hi, I'm koen. Send my projector.' ?
  • [14:23:35] <dcordes> or what project did you register?
  • [14:24:31] <Crofton> virtul red light distrcit for Amsterdam
  • [14:24:50] <koen> optimizing X, font rendering and using 32bit output
  • [14:26:08] <koen> koen@dominion:/OE/angstrom-dev/deploy/glibc/images/beagleboard$ tar ztf modules-2.6.27-r3-beagleboard.tgz | grep gpu | grep ko
  • [14:26:11] <dcordes> hmm. I thought abou a nifty angstrom for special presentation appliance
  • [14:26:11] <koen> lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm-tungsten/drm.ko
  • [14:26:14] <koen> lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm-tungsten/pvr2d.ko
  • [14:26:16] <koen> lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/kernel/drivers/gpu/pvr/pvrsrvkm.ko
  • [14:26:19] <koen> lib/modules/2.6.27-omap1/kernel/drivers/gpu/pvr/omaplfb.ko
  • [14:26:21] <koen> there we go
  • [14:27:30] <dcordes> think I have a real nice idea.
  • [14:28:44] <dcordes> koen do they have a special form to apply? are they giving away many units?
  • [14:29:25] <tomba> koen: it's just a couple of lines that have to be changed for DSS2
  • [14:29:52] <koen> dcordes: send a mail to jim-malina@ti.com with your ideas
  • [14:30:06] <dcordes> ok thanks
  • [14:30:10] <koen> dcordes: when I applied last week there a few left
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  • [14:30:23] <dcordes> hmm
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  • [14:51:53] <koen> for people wanting to try out the nokia powervr drivers: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/
  • [14:52:34] <koen> you need the evil imgtec userspace binaries to properly init the kernel modules, I can't publish those
  • [14:52:59] <dcordes> koen what does that do?
  • [14:53:30] <koen> the kernel or the userspace?
  • [14:53:59] <koen> the kernel (or rather the modules.tgz) now was drivers for the 3d chip
  • [14:54:10] <koen> but you need closed-source userspace to actually use those
  • [14:54:11] <dcordes> btw somebody tried analog to digital v4l converter on the beagle? such as found in 'video grabbers'
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  • [14:56:17] <dcordes> as long as it's not android where half the rootfs are userspace binaries
  • [14:57:01] <dcordes> not even for the gsm server are soueces available
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  • [15:12:12] <maelcum> how does the future of the 3d driver look? are the specs released, is somebody working on it?
  • [15:12:32] <kulve> no specs
  • [15:12:53] <maelcum> grrreat :|
  • [15:13:27] <AV500> I guess they want to release something that is OpenGL ES 2.0 API, so the internal specs should not matter
  • [15:14:01] <koen> the TI spruff6 talks about sgx530 shaders exceeding opengl2.0 specs
  • [15:14:15] <koen> I wonder what's missing for a full openGL implementation
  • [15:14:30] <maelcum> well, there are abstract and practical reasons against closed-source drivers. for me the practical reasons are more imporant but ymmv.
  • [15:15:05] <koen> maelcum: the kernel bits are GPL, so there is a degree of freedom in choosing your own kernel version
  • [15:15:11] <AV500> koen: just ask imgtec, no? :-)
  • [15:15:28] <AV500> remember that TI does not own that IP
  • [15:15:33] <maelcum> afaik opengl es does not actually miss much anyway. it mostly throws out obsolete and not strictly needed stuff.
  • [15:16:20] <maelcum> koen: yeah ok, if that wasn't the case it would be very inconvenient. closed source still sucks if it breaks.
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  • [15:16:45] <maelcum> more so than open source, which is my point :)
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  • [15:36:11] <Strontium> Given we know where the SGX registers lie in the memory map, we could protect that space with the kernel, trap each write to it by the drivers, after performing certain commands, log them, write them through, and reverse engineer like that. Like the folks do on PC's to reverse engineer GPU's by logging PCI transactions.
  • [15:37:13] <Strontium> just need the binary drivers first :)
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  • [15:40:47] <koen> Strontium: well, it seems that userspace has a JIT, so doing RE would be harder than usual
  • [15:42:53] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: assuming that the driver doesn't trap on excessive time taken in the handler
  • [15:44:30] <Strontium> SppedEvil, it might, but I was thinking something lean (Trap, log to memory buffer write/read, return). Another process dumps memory buffer to disk. Also, you could have a driver interface to turn it off and on dynamically. So you could set up a OpenGL context, and just turn it on momentarily to test perticular operations.
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  • [15:45:34] <Strontium> koen, Thumb2E might make emulation on this processor way faster than it would otherwise be also (on a different subject).
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  • [15:45:52] <Strontium> I think Thumb2E is kool..
  • [15:46:28] <Strontium> Does anyone think having a MMC/SD card slot that is limited to 1.8V limiting in any real or meaningful sense?
  • [15:49:17] <koen> Strontium: as in game emulation?
  • [15:50:29] <Strontium> koen, well yes I suppose, but i was thinking of processor emulation in general.
  • [15:51:38] <koen> ah, my qemu remark from a few days ago :)
  • [15:51:51] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: many SD cards simply won't work at only 1.8V
  • [15:52:22] <Strontium> SpeedEvil, Thought so. So 3V/1.8V is definitely a better option.
  • [15:52:23] <ldesnogu> Strontium: what makes you think Thumb2EE would help emulation?
  • [15:52:26] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: do you mean the VCC?
  • [15:52:33] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: or the data lines?
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  • [15:52:41] <Strontium> SpeedEvil, yes
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  • [15:53:07] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: 3.3V VCC is specified as must work. I don't know how many will work at lower volts.
  • [15:53:24] <Strontium> ldesnogu, Becaue you can dynamically recompile to it, and it runs in its own execution environment.
  • [15:53:48] <Strontium> And you can do it from user space.
  • [15:53:50] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: the few cards datasheets I found said 3.3V only
  • [15:54:13] <robclark> Strontium: t2e is basically thumb2 with some special support to trap array out of bounds, etc...
  • [15:54:17] <Strontium> Beagle claims to only support 3V max...
  • [15:54:18] <ldesnogu> Strontium: hum I wonder what your source of information is? :)
  • [15:54:27] <robclark> you can dynamically generate thumb2 or arm instructions too
  • [15:54:50] <robclark> (just need to take a bit of care due to separate D$ and I$
  • [15:54:53] <SpeedEvil> Strontium: I'd expect 3V to work with 99% 1.8 - maybe not
  • [15:58:05] <sakoman> gcohler: did selecting an icon-theme resolve your issue?
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  • [16:21:44] <gcohler> Sakoman: sorry, i was afk. yes, that fixed that problem. I'm running your image now on Beagle too and it works fine. I did notice a couple of quirky things -- like the icon -- and that there's no longer a "shut down" option on the main menu. Thanks.
  • [16:24:33] <sakoman> gcohler: I noticed the same two things -- I investigating and plan to fix as soon as I can figure out why it's broken :-)
  • [16:24:39] <Crofton> they are not joking about driving while taking Percocet ...
  • [16:25:43] <Crofton> I can barely read email :)
  • [16:28:34] <gcohler> sakoman: also, koen et al added some new omapfb video modes, but I don't see them as options in gnome-mplayer -- and omapfbplay doesn't seem to work anymore.
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  • [17:00:23] <dirk2> I asked Wolfgang how to go on with U-Boot v1 OMAP3 patches: http://pastebin.com/m6205f191
  • [17:02:51] <koen> gcohler: there are some interaction problems between xf86-video-omapfb and omapfbplay
  • [17:07:04] <gcohler> koen: I figured I would just wait a week or two until it settles back in again. :-)
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  • [17:29:09] <kaa> hi everyone, i'm working with the omap3evm and linux kernel 2.6.28-rc7. the kernel boots fine and almost everything is up an running, but the colors is really bad on the display. anyone have an ideas about this issue? anyone seen it?
  • [17:31:17] <koen> kaa: I suspect you need the DSS2 patches to fix that
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  • [17:32:01] <koen> or if you don't want DSS2, this should fix it: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/blob/&id=54ea3c9f68e96ae114dd1d51c2b5aab16717678a&path=packages/linux/linux-omap/omap3evm/omap3evm-lcd-redtint.diff
  • [17:32:45] <koen> (that needs some adjusting to apply to 2.6.28rcX)
  • [17:33:01] <kaa> koen; thanks alot
  • [17:33:15] <Crofton> ok email backlog killed
  • [17:33:20] <koen> the DSS2 patches are at http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/linux/linux-omap/
  • [17:33:32] <Crofton> it takes forever to kill email when you are falling asleep
  • [17:33:37] <koen> or using tomba's git tree: http://www.bat.org/~tomba/git/
  • [17:34:00] <koen> Crofton: dealing with the fallout of groggy emails takes even longer :)
  • [17:35:27] <sakoman> dirk2: arghh! so do you know what next steps are based upon that conversation?
  • [17:35:35] <sakoman> I'm more confused now
  • [17:36:30] <dirk2> sakoman: Send patch series with 13 or 14 patches to U-Boot list, do this patch series against mainline and wait for "this is unclean, fix this and that" comments
  • [17:36:45] <dirk2> sakoman: At least this is what I understood ;)
  • [17:37:07] <sakoman> dirk2: that is what I was afraid of
  • [17:37:17] <koen> and wait for someone to claim that it takes >4 hours to sort the patches
  • [17:37:24] * koen hindes
  • [17:37:25] <koen> -n
  • [17:37:49] <sakoman> so u-boot-arm isn't really a staging area for mainline
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  • [17:38:17] <dirk2> sakoman: hmm, seems so, I found this hint really interesting...
  • [17:39:07] <Crofton> koen, I'm trying to avoid that :)
  • [17:39:14] <koen> on one hand it's great that the u-boot people are confirming all my prejudices, on the other hand...
  • [17:40:20] <dirk2> sakoman: Should we try it with the patch series to U-Boot list? Or any better ideas?
  • [17:40:43] * koen notices his beagleboard address has a spam filter that tags ham as spam
  • [17:41:25] <sakoman> dirk2: that's what he wants, so I guess the patch series is the way to go
  • [17:42:13] <sakoman> once you have a patch series I can create a mainline branch with the patches applied
  • [17:42:34] <sakoman> that way they can pull from the git or use the list ptches as desired
  • [17:43:03] <sakoman> makes you understand why there are so many vendor branches
  • [17:43:20] <dirk2> sakoman: Sounds like you expect that they will accept them ;)
  • [17:43:37] <sakoman> dirk2: hope springs eternal :-)
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  • [17:44:30] <sakoman> dirk2: actually I expect another round or two of complaints about things that weren't seen previously
  • [17:44:47] <dirk2> sakoman: Me too.
  • [17:45:15] <sakoman> have we broken things up enough now that you can do a logical patch set that meets the size restrictions?
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  • [17:45:57] <sakoman> or do you still have to do some silly contortions to meet the size restrictions?
  • [17:46:07] <dirk2> I just did an overall patch, and it has 379866 bytes
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  • [17:47:05] <dirk2> The largest parts are the mux stuff. I have to check if one file is < 40k
  • [17:49:00] <dirk2> http://pastebin.com/d6b8a6d48
  • [17:50:01] <dirk2> Mmh, nobody really looked at MMC stuff.
  • [17:53:01] <jkridner> do you mean that the MMC stuff has a lot of #define for registers?
  • [17:53:33] <sakoman> dirk2: looks like the mux info is only 21K. in fact it looks like each board subdirectory can be a single patch
  • [17:55:30] <sakoman> dirk2: including the config .h with the board directory patch will be realy close though
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  • [18:21:18] <atin_> if I want to build u-boot, x-loader myself, can I do it from openembedded or do I need to install codesourcery? something on one of the wikis implied that oe already installed codesourcery but I can't figure out the oe tree - as in, where are the cross-compiler etc?
  • [18:22:00] <koen> 'bitbake u-boot x-load'
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  • [18:22:09] <atin_> (I'm new - I just got the board monday, bricked it yesterday, managed to recover it today...)
  • [18:22:16] <atin_> oh :)
  • [18:22:16] <koen> and codesourcery compilers are a piece of crap
  • [18:22:27] <koen> the latest 3 releases are broken
  • [18:22:39] <atin_> ok, openembedded it is.
  • [18:23:09] <bkero> Awesome
  • [18:23:28] <atin_> I come from an embedded background, latest work is on a piece of hardware running montavista. but never used openembedded before.
  • [18:24:11] <atin_> and is there a bug-list for x-load, u-boot for the beagleboard I can look at to see what I might work on once I get familiar with what's there?
  • [18:24:29] <sakoman> koen: do you know offhand what config file gets re-written when you select a new icon-theme in enlightenment?
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  • [18:26:16] <koen> sakoman: some binary file in ~/.e iirc
  • [18:26:34] <sakoman> argh . . . they don
  • [18:26:44] <koen> sakoman: I should look at making a standard config for angstrom and ship that
  • [18:26:58] <sakoman> sorry hit return too fast
  • [18:27:21] <sakoman> I hate binary configs :-)
  • [18:27:26] <koen> me too
  • [18:27:43] <koen> e17 used to need a script to convert .desktop files to .eapp files
  • [18:27:52] <koen> they finally started supporting .desktop files
  • [18:28:02] <sakoman> so angstrom-gnome-icon-theme-enable is really a no op
  • [18:28:33] <koen> AIUI you can ship a binary config in /usr/share/<something>
  • [18:28:49] <sakoman> I hate binary configs :-)
  • [18:28:59] <koen> sakoman: angstrom-gnome-icon-theme-enable fixes gtk+ apps to find missing icons (e.g. epiphany and gnome-panel)
  • [18:29:14] <sakoman> ah, ok
  • [18:29:31] <sakoman> I misunderstood
  • [18:29:49] <koen> it's annoying we can't set an X atom for it
  • [18:29:59] <koen> or rather, that apps use different X atoms for it
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  • [18:30:26] <sakoman> yeah, and sadly little stuff like this is what people notice and complain about
  • [18:30:37] <koen> indeed
  • [18:30:48] <Crofton> users suck
  • [18:30:53] <sakoman> And I understand why too
  • [18:30:57] <koen> I'm trying to figure out how I can ship translations automagically
  • [18:31:22] <koen> we used to have a hack in package_ipk.bbclass using greedy deps
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  • [18:32:50] <sakoman> koen: has "shutdown" disappeared from your demo image System menu too?
  • [18:33:38] <koen> haven't looked that that yet
  • [18:33:53] <koen> I'm trying to figure out what the latest e17 upgrade in OE broke
  • [18:33:54] <sakoman> me either - too many balls in the air :-)
  • [18:34:11] <koen> X keeps going back to the login screen, but launches by hand
  • [18:34:45] * koen wishes people would test things before pushing a massive upgrade
  • [18:35:35] <koen> anyway, udumpty image is working better and better each week
  • [18:35:43] <koen> or rather, becomes less and less broken
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  • [18:54:25] <sakoman> koen: planning on a switch at some point?
  • [18:54:56] <sakoman> i.e. udumpty = new demo image?
  • [18:56:37] <koen> switch or providing both
  • [18:57:06] <sakoman> i.e. what to use day to day for beagle demos
  • [18:57:50] <sakoman> of course provide both, more a question of what gets the ongoingmain focus
  • [18:59:02] <koen> I'm currently focused on lower-level issues, e.g. DSS2, dsplink, sgx, etc
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  • [19:14:35] <Crofton> console-image, the only image that matters !
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  • [19:45:45] <florian> re
  • [19:47:03] <koen> florian: wb
  • [19:47:37] <koen> florian: is locale detection working for in in gpe-login?
  • [19:49:02] <florian> koen: I guess so... it worked for me today at least.
  • [19:50:38] <koen> hmmm
  • [19:50:49] <koen> over here it only detects 'C'
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  • [20:01:54] <nooomem> hey guys, name the best beagleboard-compatible wifi adapter.
  • [20:02:12] <nooomem> I don't need N or anything, just good solid G will do.
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  • [20:08:52] <Crofton> what is the officail name of the evm?
  • [20:17:36] <koen> omap35x evm irc
  • [20:18:36] <koen> Crofton: http://www.mistralsolutions.com/business_divisons/omap_3evm.php
  • [20:18:51] <Crofton> ok
  • [20:18:58] <Crofton> I just saw a funny email
  • [20:21:46] <philippe> Hey people! And Crofton seems to be active here too :)
  • [20:22:10] <philippe> Anybody know a contact to ping for a presentation about the beagleboard at Fosdem?
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  • [20:22:18] <Crofton> hmm
  • [20:22:24] <Crofton> ping RogerMonk
  • [20:22:40] <Crofton> A number of people could do it
  • [20:22:45] <RogerMonk> hi Crofton - how's life!
  • [20:22:46] <RogerMonk> ?
  • [20:22:49] <Crofton> well
  • [20:23:00] <Crofton> ok, given I had shoulder surgery yesterday
  • [20:23:06] <RogerMonk> ouch
  • [20:23:20] <Crofton> RogerMonk, philippe is looking for a Beagle talk at fosdem
  • [20:23:23] <Crofton> yeah
  • [20:23:36] <Crofton> I need to scan and port photos of the inside of my shoudler
  • [20:23:54] <koen> hey philippe and RogerMonk
  • [20:24:14] <RogerMonk> hey guys
  • [20:24:16] <Crofton> I think it would be good for a TI guy to say that TI is trying really hard to "get" open source and how they are doing this via the beagle :)
  • [20:24:43] <philippe> hi koen! Haven't heard or seen from you for a while! Good to know you're still going strong :)
  • [20:24:55] <RogerMonk> we're definitely trying... if slower than we'd all like
  • [20:25:01] <Crofton> right
  • [20:25:11] <philippe> RogerMonk, it always goes like that. Especially with big companies.
  • [20:25:23] <koen> philippe: I need to do something to get my hands on a n900 discount code ;)
  • [20:25:24] <Crofton> I can do a beagle talk, but my interests are narrow
  • [20:25:44] <philippe> koen, :)
  • [20:25:53] <Crofton> I did run into one sdr guy a couple of years ago
  • [20:26:07] <koen> otoh, I have already too many ARM toys
  • [20:26:22] <Crofton> :)
  • [20:26:28] <koen> Crofton: yeah, and I fixed gnash, but the dude didn't fix autotools ;)
  • [20:26:37] <Crofton> heh
  • [20:26:40] <florian> koen: i built a gpe image from dev today and i see two at least
  • [20:26:52] <koen> hmmm
  • [20:27:04] <RogerMonk> philippe, yep, and we've got a lot to learn about working well with the community, so it'll take a ltit while - but hopefully folks can see we're moving in the right direction
  • [20:27:08] <Crofton> philippe, the answer is someone can do a beagle talk, but we need to figure out who :)
  • [20:27:35] <Crofton> RogerMonk, that's why I think it would be good for somone wearing a ti hat to give the talk
  • [20:27:37] <koen> mru could do one on neon multimedia stuff or someting
  • [20:28:01] <philippe> Well keep me in the loop. I would love to have someone around. I have a big devroom to fill this year
  • [20:28:30] <philippe> should be a much bigger one than last 2 times
  • [20:28:41] <koen> gdm[19606]: 0x40328e78 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
  • [20:28:41] <koen> gdm[19606]: #0 0x40328e78 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
  • [20:28:41] <koen> gdm[19606]: #1 0x0001eefc in gdm_signal_handler_backtrace ()
  • [20:28:44] * koen stabs gdm
  • [20:29:00] <koen> I hope it isn't one of those SIGCHLD handler bugs again
  • [20:29:04] <Crofton> heh, we could do an omap3 open source applications room :)
  • [20:29:19] <Crofton> philippe, I will beat on the TI guys :)
  • [20:29:28] <RogerMonk> Crofton - pls send me a mail with the details (dates, etc) and I'll take a look around. Gotta run for some dinner... :)
  • [20:29:37] * Crofton needs someone on an expense accout to cover his bar bills :)
  • [20:29:42] <Crofton> bye
  • [20:30:06] <florian> Crofton: cu
  • [20:30:30] <Crofton> RogerMonk, is leaving, but I need to get up and move the arm around
  • [20:30:32] <philippe> Crofton, I could offer you some beers regardless... just on expense account :(
  • [20:34:37] <koen> hmmm
  • [20:34:47] <koen> liam isnt at wolfson anymore
  • [20:35:12] <koen> If I go I'll need a buddy with an expense account as well ;)
  • [20:35:34] * koen has no free travel anymore after 2008-12-31
  • [20:36:11] <Crofton> hmm
  • [20:36:16] <Crofton> what happens then?
  • [20:36:25] <Crofton> you need a bail out
  • [20:36:59] <koen> the 'free' travel adds to my student loan
  • [20:37:08] <koen> at ~???100/month
  • [20:37:12] <markus> do you have time to study?
  • [20:37:18] <Crofton> ah
  • [20:37:20] <markus> i see you here all the time =)
  • [20:37:21] <Crofton> wise move
  • [20:37:46] <Crofton> I have friends who spend student loan mpney on crazy things like expensive ski trips
  • [20:38:06] <koen> well, the student loan is the best loan you can get. low interest and if you do an arts major and make no money you don't have to pay it back
  • [20:38:16] * philippe thinks maybe fosdem should try to arrange some couch surfing
  • [20:38:28] <Crofton> heh
  • [20:38:54] <markus> do you study in NL?
  • [20:39:10] <koen> yes
  • [20:39:15] * Crofton regrets not buying 10 times the house he could afford so he could be bailed out
  • [20:39:38] <Crofton> koen, when do you "finish"
  • [20:39:47] <koen> in a year or 3
  • [20:39:51] <Crofton> heh
  • [20:39:55] <Crofton> finish
  • [20:40:10] <koen> that reminds me
  • [20:40:12] <Crofton> well, maybe wait for the recession to end ....
  • [20:40:25] <koen> I need to start sucking up to get me into a internship I choose
  • [20:40:43] <koen> instead of one that is profitable to the uni
  • [20:40:56] <Crofton> right
  • [20:41:18] <Crofton> what are you looking at?
  • [20:41:50] <koen> something signal related
  • [20:41:59] <koen> there's a big biometrics firm in germany
  • [20:42:05] <koen> there's wolfson micro
  • [20:42:12] <Crofton> imec
  • [20:42:25] <koen> there's philips (or NXP, I always forget)
  • [20:42:31] <koen> TI
  • [20:42:33] <koen> and more :)
  • [20:42:59] * Crofton needs koen to gain practical sdr experience ...
  • [20:44:17] <koen> if only ranting and moaning were proper majors
  • [20:44:25] <koen> I'd have 2 Phds by now
  • [20:46:02] <Crofton> rofl
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  • [21:39:20] <philippe> koen, in case you want cheap accomodation. http://www.couchsurfing.com/group.html?gid=16380
  • [21:39:35] <philippe> Just created. And still fresh
  • [21:40:31] <koen> :)
  • [21:41:29] * philippe decides to buy a Fosdem hangar in Brussels if he wins the lottery
  • [21:41:52] <philippe> Free accomodation and hack lab during Fosdem, storage for Fosdem otherwise.
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