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  • [02:26:21] <odesus> good evening!!
  • [02:26:34] <odesus> is anybody working with buildroot on beagle board?
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  • [02:28:16] <furan-> probably asked to death, but any chance of a version coming with LVDS display output?
  • [02:28:24] <mru> yes, rev c
  • [02:28:36] <furan-> what's the wait/can I preorder?
  • [02:28:49] <mru> hmm, wait... you said lvds
  • [02:28:58] <mru> I'm not sure what the electrical interface is
  • [02:29:11] <mru> but there will be direct access to the lcd signals from the omap chip
  • [02:29:20] <mru> so you can bypass the dvi framer
  • [02:31:57] <furan-> that's perfect
  • [02:32:07] <furan-> is there an info page on rev c yet?
  • [02:37:37] <gduncan> Just a mention on the mailing list.
  • [02:37:44] <gduncan> Due sometime in Feb.
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  • [02:42:22] <furan-> ty
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  • [03:09:54] <gduncan> np
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  • [05:34:56] <pramode> I have compiled a git kernel (2.6.27-rc9-omap1) using codesourcery 2007q3-51 toolchain ... it is crashing at musb_platform_init with a NULL pointer dereference ...
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  • [05:51:14] <pramode> I have compiled a git kernel (2.6.27-rc9-omap1) using codesourcery 2007q3-51 toolchain ... it is crashing at musb_platform_init with a NULL pointer dereference ...
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  • [06:08:52] <ds2> when did you checkout the git tree?
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  • [06:18:12] <pramode> checked out the tree few days back
  • [06:20:59] <pramode> I have done a "pull" right now ... am compiling it .... maybe, that might work!
  • [06:23:39] <ds2> you might have caught it at a bad time
  • [06:26:21] <pramode> Any link where I can get a kernel source which is sure to work (other than building OE)?
  • [06:27:59] <pramode> By the way, the codesourcery assembler is emitting a warning "rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different" ... will that create problems?
  • [06:28:47] <pramode> I am using cs 2007q3-51
  • [06:29:41] <ds2> I've had okay luck using mru's tree
  • [06:29:50] <ds2> it is an older snapshot of L-O
  • [06:31:16] <pramode> Can you give a link for that?
  • [06:32:29] <ds2> http://git.mansr.com/?p=linux-omap;a=summary
  • [06:32:39] <pramode> Thank you!
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  • [06:34:15] <pramode> What was the toolchain you used?
  • [06:34:50] <ds2> I used a deriviative of the CS toolchain (the MontaVista one) and the CS one
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  • [06:35:13] <ds2> most version of the CS toolchains will do the kernel just fine; kernel doesn't use neon or the fancy features that trigger bugs
  • [06:35:27] <pramode> ok
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  • [09:35:38] <florian> good morning
  • [09:41:09] <koen> zuh: http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=blob;f=src/omapfb-xv.c;h=10ef1737895032bf2f25fa1222ef8ed50a2887fa;hb=0b390c6f7312d56fdca43bc4be33b3892efa4e4f
  • [09:41:15] <koen> zuh: like 343 and 344
  • [09:41:20] <koen> zuh: s/like/line/
  • [09:42:48] <zuh> Yeah, I know that :)
  • [09:43:18] <koen> that's not a bug?
  • [09:43:48] <zuh> Well yes, but I think the blizzard might not work atm so it's somewhat correct :)
  • [09:43:55] <koen> hmmm
  • [09:44:01] <zuh> or it works exactly in the same way than the generic
  • [09:44:12] <zuh> etiher way, the net effect is zero
  • [09:44:13] <koen> omapfb-xv-blizzard.c: In function 'OMAPFBXVPutImageBlizzard':
  • [09:44:13] <koen> omapfb-xv-blizzard.c:107: error: 'FOURCC_UYVY' undeclared (first use in this function)
  • [09:45:07] <koen> missing include somewhere?
  • [09:45:11] <zuh> yeah
  • [09:45:20] * zuh fixes
  • [09:45:53] <koen> zuh: try playing http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/duvel.mpg on the beagle with mplayer
  • [09:46:07] <zuh> Should've pushed only the generic part of that really...
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  • [10:00:03] <zuh> koen: Thanks for spotting that, pushed fixes for both issues
  • [10:03:37] <zuh> the duvel.mpg has aspect info and thus it'll be scaled from 352x288 to 376x288 -> kaboom
  • [10:03:40] <zuh> right?-)
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  • [10:10:59] <koen> zuh: yes
  • [10:11:12] <kulve> that works on n800 but goes boom on omap3
  • [10:11:21] <kulve> (zuh had to step to a meeting)
  • [10:11:57] <kulve> is zuh doing something wrong when asking for scaling or is there issues in some lower level..?
  • [10:12:35] * koen has no idea
  • [10:13:22] <koen> kulve, zuh: downscaling (movie 1920 pixels wide, screen 1024 pixels wide) also doesn't work
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  • [10:31:33] <kulve> looks like all scaling goes boom
  • [10:32:01] <kulve> can you scale with omapfbplay?
  • [10:32:19] <koen> only if I haven't started X
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  • [10:33:33] <kulve> well, then the scaling works on the lower level, rigth? Zuh just does something wrong in his driver (or doesn't do something)
  • [10:33:56] <koen> or the kernel driver doesn't work too well
  • [10:46:00] <kulve> that's one option, yes. I just though that if the omapfbplay works ok, then it might not be a kernel issue
  • [10:47:43] <koen> mru had to patch it to work
  • [10:47:57] <koen> maybe it got patched just enough for omapfplay :)
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  • [10:50:04] <kulve> does OE have any patches to omapfbplay (from mru's git repo)?
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  • [10:52:14] <koen> only to the kernel for omapfbplay
  • [10:52:44] <kulve> hmm.. I took those patches some time ago, but I already noticed that they have changed..
  • [10:52:58] <koen> kulve: http://git.mansr.com/?p=linux-omap;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/patches
  • [10:53:12] <koen> those are the patches OE has
  • [10:54:05] <kulve> there were some usb patches by mru too earlier but they are not patched in anymore..
  • [10:56:02] <kulve> and the zuh's driver seems to be still broken. Now it compiles, but doesn't load..
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  • [11:01:00] <Viral_Sachde> Hi, I am using uImage_OTG kernel from code.google.com. I have done echo 'tv' > /sys/class/display_control/omap_disp_control/graphics as mentioned on LinuxHints. I had provided omapfb,vram:2M,vram:4M in bootargs. I also see omap24xxfb: Options "<NULL>"
  • [11:01:00] <Viral_Sachde> Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48
  • [11:01:00] <Viral_Sachde> omap24xxfb: fb0 frame buffer device
  • [11:01:00] <Viral_Sachde> omap24xxfb: display mode 1024x768x16 hsync 22kHz vsync 28Hz<6>omap_rng omap_rng: OMAP Random Number Generator ver. 70
  • [11:01:02] <Viral_Sachde> while booting. Can some one tell me if I can play video using omapfbplay on TV connected to S-Video ? I tried and failed. Any suggestions ?
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  • [11:05:41] <koen> Viral_Sachde: omapfbplay doesn't work with the kernels from code.google.com
  • [11:05:44] <and-ri> do anybody know what the kernel do when he want to start the BusyBox
  • [11:06:20] <Viral_Sachde> Koen: I wish to play video on S-Video... any suggestion ?
  • [11:06:56] <koen> I think you're out of luck if you want video on s-video
  • [11:07:55] <Viral_Sachde> Koen: Thanks.
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  • [11:19:25] <Crofton|work> koen, are you commiting via git now?
  • [11:20:06] <koen> Crofton|work: yes
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  • [11:21:46] <Crofton|work> looks like it is time to start figuring out git ...
  • [11:22:01] <koen> kulve: Backtrace:
  • [11:22:03] <koen> 0: Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0xa4) [0x78278]
  • [11:23:05] <koen> open("/dev/fb", O_RDWR) = 6
  • [11:23:05] <koen> ioctl(6, 0x800c4f2a, 0xbefd2b14) = 0
  • [11:23:05] <koen> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
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  • [11:28:35] <kulve> hmm.. backtrace from what..?
  • [11:29:01] <koen> kulve: http://pastebin.com/m1ff145a7
  • [11:30:02] <kulve> is that the newest version..?
  • [11:30:30] <koen> f488430a2bf036c61243322584026e786284d3a7
  • [11:33:09] <kulve> I guess 0bc4f79a455a84e30096ebe8124f97277d01f7de could work better
  • [11:34:16] <koen> that's what I was using previously :)
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  • [11:42:34] <mpoullet> Hi, I'm trying to "git clone git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev/" but nothing happens... all my other git directories work however, any idea?
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  • [11:45:37] <Crofton|work> I think the repo address changes
  • [11:45:37] <Crofton|work> I need to figure this out now
  • [11:45:43] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: I've taken it from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAndOpenEmbeddedGit
  • [11:45:53] <Crofton|work> I am checking now
  • [11:53:20] <Crofton|work> git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded
  • [11:53:23] <Crofton|work> mpoullet, try this
  • [11:54:57] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: it works! Thanks. I've fixed the address on the wiki page too.
  • [11:55:11] <Crofton|work> awesome
  • [11:55:19] <Crofton|work> I am 99.9% sure this is right
  • [11:55:27] <Crofton|work> the OE guys made some changes last night
  • [11:55:41] <Crofton|work> this shouold be stable now :)
  • [11:55:50] <Crofton|work> we had been pulling from the git trial
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  • [12:22:58] <slothlove> are there well-known memory usage issues with bitbake? I started my first OE build yesterday and saw my memory usage shoot through the roof, and then when I got home I was staring at my login screen
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  • [12:23:35] <koen> bitbake takes ~30MB of ram
  • [12:23:41] <koen> gcc takes the rest
  • [12:23:46] <koen> g++ even more
  • [12:25:36] <florian> koen: I remeber times where bitbake took all the RAM ;)
  • [12:26:06] <chakie_work> g++ can get stuck eating memory until the OOM killer tells it not to
  • [12:26:37] <florian> indeed... g++ is evil
  • [12:26:43] * Crofton|work also remember needing RAM upgrades to run OE :)
  • [12:27:19] <Crofton|work> [balister@elephant oe]$ git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded
  • [12:27:20] <Crofton|work> -bash: git: command not found
  • [12:27:21] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [12:27:36] <slothlove> I've got 1GB, which is modest, but seems like it should be enough
  • [12:27:57] <chakie_work> does anyone compile oe on a 64 bit intel system?
  • [12:28:18] <chakie_work> 1g was plenty for me on my old machine
  • [12:31:27] <koen> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
  • [12:31:36] <koen> that's one of my build machines
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  • [12:38:15] <chakie_work> hm, i have had problems getting gettext-native to build for a while now
  • [12:39:09] <chakie_work> haven't really dug too much into what actually is wrong, as i was playing the "wait and see" game. but clearly this is something that doesn't fail for anyone else
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  • [12:44:50] <mpoullet> what sould I do: "ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration."
  • [12:45:00] <mpoullet> Error, TMPDIR has changed ABI (1 to 2) and you need to either rebuild, revert or adjust it at your own risk.
  • [12:47:33] <Crofton|work> remove your tmpdir
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  • [12:51:05] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: ERROR: opening $OE_HOME/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb: file not found ??
  • [12:51:44] <Crofton|work> try ls $OE_HOME/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb
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  • [12:54:21] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: it comes a lot of files .bb
  • [12:54:29] <Crofton|work> hmmm
  • [12:54:57] * Crofton|work wonders ig bitbake is stepping on the OE_HOME var?
  • [12:58:15] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: sorry a mismatch in my OE_HOME (i've oe in ~/oe and ~/oe/src) =-O... trying again.. thanks
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  • [13:06:28] <mpoullet> ???Crofton|work: bitbake console-image works, thanks! waht about the wiki instructions? should I unify the naming of "org.beagleboard.dev" => "beagleboard"? like the new repo?
  • [13:08:33] <and-ri> why is it important to extract the Angstrom Filesystem direct on the SD?
  • [13:10:15] <BThompson> probably to preserve symbolic links, I imagine you could extract it and copy it in, but you would need to use some extra options in the copy command to maintain the links
  • [13:10:16] <igor321> i also didn't understand that
  • [13:13:08] <Crofton|work> mpoullet, I haven't figured out enough git yet to know what is correct :(
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  • [13:44:15] <Ikarus> Is digikey the only vendor of the beagleboard at the moment ?
  • [13:45:10] <koen> Ikarus: yes
  • [13:45:53] <Crofton|work> unles you are in India :)
  • [13:46:13] <kulve> what was the URL for the beagle shopping list wiki page?
  • [13:46:39] <Crofton|work> it is on the code.google wiki
  • [13:46:50] <kulve> I never find it with google..
  • [13:47:16] <Crofton|work> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/w/list
  • [13:47:27] <Crofton|work> "google project" link from www.beagleboard.com
  • [13:48:22] <kulve> thanks
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  • [13:48:37] <Crofton|work> ok, I have managed to identify myself to the oe git server
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  • [13:56:14] <koen> Crofton|work: how's the NEON coming along?
  • [13:56:55] <Crofton|work> well, I have the focs
  • [13:56:59] <Crofton|work> just started reading
  • [13:57:22] <koen> freud is laughing as we speak :)
  • [13:57:34] <Crofton|work> mru, sample inner product almsot works :)
  • [13:57:35] <Crofton|work> hehe
  • [13:57:36] <Crofton|work> oops
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  • [14:07:41] <Ikarus> anyway, anyone know if people are using the Beagleboard for limited production runs ? (probably yes)
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  • [14:11:36] <thephilosopher> allo guys
  • [14:12:13] <slothlove> Ikarus: I'm probably going to be using the Beagleboard for a tiny run of prototype units(<10) for an OMAP-based device i'm working on. That's at least 3 months away, though
  • [14:13:27] <Ikarus> slothlove: I was just wondering if anyone else was as mad as I am
  • [14:13:54] <Ikarus> though in my case it will also be around initial sub 50 units, above that a custom board becomes cheaper
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  • [14:44:26] <sakoman_> jkridner: ping
  • [14:45:16] <sakoman_> David Brownell and I are trying to get to the bottom of some of the differences we are seeing between Beagle and Overo.
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  • [14:47:10] <sakoman_> jkridner: We are looking closely at possible 4030 vs 5030 differences
  • [14:47:52] <sakoman_> jkridner: Are these two parts using the same die? From external indications it would seem not.
  • [14:49:07] <sakoman_> jkridner: the overo 5030 chip self-identifies as a ES 1.0, versus ES 3.1 for the Beagle 4030
  • [14:49:35] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_ - this would be 5030 ES1.0
  • [14:50:10] <sakoman_> jkridner: also when we compare register dumps after a cold boot, prior to linux twl setup, there are a *huge* number of differences
  • [14:50:27] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: So they are definitely different die?
  • [14:50:29] <NishanthMenon> unfortunately the IDCODE also matches.
  • [14:51:15] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: is there a document that describes the differences between the two parts?
  • [14:51:15] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: TWL4030 and 5030 are different in some ways
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  • [14:51:33] <sakoman_> It is really essential to have that if we hope to write a common driver!
  • [14:51:48] * NishanthMenon checking internal sites
  • [14:53:36] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: there is an TI NDAed doc. not sure of availability - could you check with jkridner?
  • [14:54:18] <sakoman_> Will do. Thanks -- this has been causing a lot of frustration!
  • [14:55:51] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: from what i see, not completely different - though using a different OMAP ES could impact register settings due to rom code setting things differently
  • [14:57:17] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: rom code differences is probably what is screwing us up, since it it probably trying to work around old 4030 issues!
  • [14:57:34] <davidg> Hi, I am new to beagle, and I can not work out whether the beagle board gives access to the camera ISP on the OMAP 3530? Does anyone know?
  • [14:58:22] <BThompson> if you mean the camera capture interface than no, you would have to use a usb capture mechanism
  • [14:59:11] <davidg> yes I did mean the camera capture interface. So it looks like Beagle is not right for me. Anyone know of a 3530 board that does give camera capture support?
  • [15:00:19] <BThompson> I believe the Zoom MDK has a camera (though that is 3430 and meant for phone development), and the Mistral EVM has the camera interface pinned out to a header but does not actually use it currently
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  • [15:00:52] <davidg> Thank you, I will have a look at those.
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  • [15:11:33] <and-ri> jkridner|work: (so your not her but) i solve the problem with starting up linux on beagle, as you can see from the irc log, i had trouble to run linux on beagle. The solution was simple to extract the FS direct on SD
  • [15:11:43] <koen> sakoman_: you're suspecting that 4030 and 5030 are not bug compatible?
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  • [15:20:27] <and-ri> where i can find the spread demo?
  • [15:21:05] <koen> spread?
  • [15:21:47] <slothlove> I just successfully built helloworld-image, but where did OE put the kernel image?
  • [15:22:05] <koen> slothlove: tmp/deploy/glibc/images/beagleboard
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  • [15:23:44] <slothlove> koen: I was expecting something like uImage, but it's not there. I have MLO, u-boot, and x-load, and the rootfs
  • [15:24:01] <and-ri> i here something about spread demo , i guess the call it "testspread"
  • [15:24:22] <slothlove> does the helloworld-image target not build a kernel?
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  • [15:25:02] <koen> slothlove: 'bitbake virtual/kernel'
  • [15:26:04] <sakoman_> koen: yes. there are currently unknown differences between the 4030 and 5030
  • [15:26:20] <sakoman_> I hope to fix that part by getting the appropriate doc
  • [15:26:28] <Crofton|work> diff -Nurd 4030 5030
  • [15:26:45] <sakoman_> But the other issue is that the 5030 reports itself as an ES 1.0 4030
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  • [15:27:16] <slothlove> koen: ahh, thanks. baking...
  • [15:27:16] <sakoman_> so boot rom code (and perhaps linux for that matter) may be trying to work around old 4030 issues
  • [15:28:57] <koen> sakoman_: ouch
  • [15:29:06] * koen looks for twl4030 docs
  • [15:29:51] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: i think it is OMAP ES version which matters.. for a given ES version, i dont think it might change 4030 and 5030 configs.. for that matter, I will be surprised to see if 4030 and 5030 has any differences of note (other than probably ldo paths)
  • [15:30:56] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: for obvious reasons, 5030 would have fixes for erratas of 4030 es1.0
  • [15:31:53] <NishanthMenon> another thing i can think of could be sysboot settings.. dont know much indetails of romcode.. can only guess... :(
  • [15:34:38] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: well, the evidence we have for some boot rom effect is that there are substantial differences in a (4/5)030 register dump after cold boot dump
  • [15:35:00] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: with the same OMAP ES and sysboot settings?
  • [15:35:22] <sakoman_> between beagle and overo
  • [15:35:41] <koen> zuh: any idea why the caps probe code would segfault?
  • [15:36:18] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: so I guess the omap differences could also come into play
  • [15:36:25] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: i have not dug into overo :(. Is overo's OMAP es is 3.0 ? and sysboot is compatible?
  • [15:37:10] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: at boot overo reports: OMAP3430 ES2.1
  • [15:37:14] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: my best guess is that it is more of omap es and sysboot causing the noise you see in reg differences..
  • [15:37:26] <koen> sakoman_: isn't overo 3503?
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  • [15:37:35] <sakoman_> koen: yes
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  • [15:38:31] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: Beagle reports: OMAP3430 ES3.0
  • [15:39:16] <emeb> dumb question - is it possible to dump/disassemble OMAP boot ROM?
  • [15:40:58] <koen> sakoman_: that's a revc proto?
  • [15:41:08] <sakoman_> koen: yes
  • [15:41:46] <gcohler> I believe that the B5's are based on 3530 ES2.1.
  • [15:42:01] <and-ri> bye
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  • [15:42:31] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: I guess David and I will just have to go through the register dump register by register to see what the differences are.
  • [15:43:46] <sakoman_> But just by eyeballing it I would say that about 50 registers are different
  • [15:50:15] <sakoman_> NishanthMenon: another question -- is the "catalog" equivalent TPS65950 yet another die? Or is it really a 4030 or 5030? And if the latter which one?
  • [15:51:16] <koen> gcohler: right
  • [15:51:54] <koen> gcohler: I suspect B6 is 2.1 as well
  • [15:51:59] * koen hugs his revc proto
  • [15:52:10] <koen> sakoman_: does your revc have 256mb ram as well?
  • [15:53:50] <BThompson> have there been many USB OTG port out of box failures on the Beagle? I think we have one here that is bad
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  • [15:55:03] <NishanthMenon> sakoman_: on tps device i am not sure.. :(
  • [15:56:54] <gcohler> BThompson: Are you trying to use it as Host or Device?
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  • [15:57:18] <BThompson> this is host, trying to get a mouse to be recognized
  • [15:57:47] <gcohler> BThompson: Do you have a Mini-A on your cable? If you don't know, the answer is no. :-)
  • [15:57:56] <BThompson> we have two beagle boards in the office, one works just fine with all my hacked adapters and such, but the second does not
  • [15:58:15] <BThompson> im well aware of the mini A, my beagle board didnt work until i soldered the pins to make my adapter an A
  • [15:58:42] <gcohler> BThompson: Yes, I was just going to tell you it must be Mini-A. If you have that already, then you might just have a h/w problem.
  • [15:58:58] <BThompson> so using the same adapter hardware, and SD card software, my beagle board works but my associate's does not
  • [15:59:10] <BThompson> both were marked B4 though his was marked by hand where mine has a stcker
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  • [15:59:36] <BThompson> and it seems his was missing the capacitor, so I think it should have been B3, we added in the capacitor, but still no luck getting it to recognize a USB device
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  • [15:59:58] <gcohler> BThompson: Mine is a B5, so I don't think I can offer much help.
  • [16:00:37] <pbrook> IIRC one capacitor is the difference between the B4 and B5 boards.
  • [16:00:48] <pbrook> Not sure about B3 v.s. B4.
  • [16:01:07] <gcohler> koen: I checked with Gerald... B6 will be ES2.1 with TWL4030.
  • [16:01:31] <BThompson> im not that familiar with the revs myself, it is odd that ours were both marked B4 but his was missing a cap
  • [16:02:33] <pbrook> Anyhow, if swapping boards but leaving everything else the same changes things, that suggests either a flakey board, or you've got a busted xloader/uboot in flash.
  • [16:03:06] <BThompson> the board boots, just the USB doesnt work, and I am trying to boot off the SD card entirely (holding S1 during power on)
  • [16:03:40] <pbrook> You hacked the cables not the beagleboard socket, right? ;-)
  • [16:04:05] <BThompson> yes, with a fine tipped soldering iron and a microscope :) i didnt want to make the beagle end permanently master
  • [16:04:33] <pbrook> Feels like dodgy hardware to me then. I can't help you with that though.
  • [16:05:43] <BThompson> yea, the hacks are all good, as they work with my board just not the other board, we need to figure out if there is a return method with Digikey, since the guy whos board this is did not try to use it until recently I fear he may not be able to get RMA
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  • [16:12:27] <gcohler> BThompson: RMA through beagleboard.org and see what happens -- rather than through Digikey.
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  • [16:40:42] <Ikarus> bleah, unable to join the beagle board google group
  • [16:40:58] <Ikarus> or well
  • [16:41:06] <Ikarus> to just get my e-mail address on the ML
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  • [16:44:02] <Ikarus> argh
  • [16:44:08] <Ikarus> nope even a retry does not work
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  • [17:14:18] * koen finally gets rid of OABI compat in kernels
  • [17:15:42] <ds2> what's wrong with OABI_COMPAT?
  • [17:20:59] <florian> ds2: it seems to slow down syscalls
  • [17:21:01] <florian> bbl
  • [17:22:09] <koen> ds2: there's something wrong if you need it
  • [17:22:45] <ds2> koen: I been told to turn it off and that it is broken but everyone seem to lack the exact details
  • [17:23:11] <koen> it enables the kernel to run OABI userspace
  • [17:23:30] <koen> but that OABI userspace can't use e.g. alsa due to structure (padding) changes
  • [17:23:37] <ds2> I know what it does and the difference, I just donno why it is broken
  • [17:23:56] <koen> see my alsa comment :)
  • [17:24:11] <ds2> that's the first concrete example i have seen
  • [17:24:42] <ds2> so it is not the compat code itself but rather cases that other things may not translate right
  • [17:25:03] <koen> yeah
  • [17:25:14] <koen> mostly cases where EABI forces extra alignment
  • [17:25:41] <ds2> didn't know about the alignment requirements; all I know is the swi instruction appears different
  • [17:25:52] <koen> people using debian (not armel) on zaurus were bitching about broken sound
  • [17:26:16] <koen> turns out they were using an eabi+oabi compat kernel
  • [17:26:20] <ds2> oh
  • [17:26:30] <ds2> they must be using sharp binaries?
  • [17:26:57] <koen> no
  • [17:27:00] <koen> angstrom kernels
  • [17:27:10] <koen> with debian on CF or something like that
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  • [17:27:37] <ds2> I see. this must not be a 5500/5600 then?
  • [17:27:40] <koen> they needed debian oabi to use firefox
  • [17:27:52] <koen> ds2: clamshell models
  • [17:28:08] <ds2> ewww firefox, getting more and more disgusted with that each day
  • [17:28:11] <koen> since firefox2 is broken for eabi (actually for vfp as well)
  • [17:28:32] <NishanthMenon> off hand question: anyone know of minix3 on any omap?
  • [17:28:32] <suihkulokki> OABI_COMPAT isn't broken, it's incomplete
  • [17:28:36] <ds2> why not compile microb or minimo for it instead?
  • [17:28:57] <suihkulokki> for example it the afore mentioned alsa stuff are missing
  • [17:29:10] <koen> ds2: microb only worked because of the CSL glibc
  • [17:29:23] <koen> ds2: since that is an oabi glibc with an eabi shim
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  • [17:29:45] <ds2> koen: it cannot be broken for EABI as the Nokia stuff uses that and AFAIK, they are EABI
  • [17:30:06] <koen> 19:29 < koen> ds2: microb only worked because of the CSL glibc
  • [17:30:06] <koen> 19:29 < koen> ds2: since that is an oabi glibc with an eabi shim
  • [17:30:18] <koen> the older CSL toolchains weren't pure eabi
  • [17:30:32] <suihkulokki> however iceweasel 3.0 (ff3.0) as included in debian/lenny/armel should work for zaurii people
  • [17:30:46] <koen> suihkulokki: yeah, ff3 is much better
  • [17:31:04] <koen> although you want 3.1b1 and/or a patched cairo due to the 24bit->16bit bug
  • [17:31:21] <suihkulokki> ds2: the nokia browser is based on ff3.0
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  • [17:31:50] <suihkulokki> well, a very early snapshot of it with many patches
  • [17:32:05] <ds2> suihkulokki: it is microb, AFAIK
  • [17:32:25] * koen replaced FF patche with sed to cut down on patch churn
  • [17:32:32] <ds2> I just hate it so very very very much - drained my batteries last night from full to zero in less then an hour
  • [17:32:50] <koen> one of the reasons why the gpl covers buildscripts as well
  • [17:33:30] <koen> ds2: I was surprised to see that the fennec and ff3 hg snapshots I built yesterday now come close to the speed of webkit-gtk
  • [17:33:38] <kulve> ds2: microb is what suihkulokki just said..
  • [17:34:05] <ds2> koen: were you playing with the webcam on beagle stuff or was it just Nathan?
  • [17:34:12] <suihkulokki> the big reason FF is annoying to me is the stuble bugs that appear when using system shared libraries instead of the bundled-with-ff ones
  • [17:34:22] <koen> ds2: nathan got it working
  • [17:35:07] <ds2> koen: by working, you mean, you can see the output w/o any errors?
  • [17:35:10] <koen> ds2: I'm still trying to trackdown why empathy segfaults
  • [17:35:14] <koen> ds2: yes
  • [17:35:36] <ds2> ah okay... have you tried any CPU intensive activity on the video? say software encoding into MPEG?
  • [17:36:11] <koen> ds2: see the 'musb-fix-*' patches at http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/linux/linux-omap;h=e56ed500ba61ea636a2dd14ada76821320fb5eb8;hb=HEAD
  • [17:37:12] <ds2> koen: he pointed me to those patches
  • [17:37:54] <ds2> koen: I am seeing a MUSB failure if I try to process each frame; probally due to backpressure on the MUSB queueing
  • [17:38:06] <koen> I haven't got to the point to streaming stuff yet
  • [17:38:24] <ds2> ah
  • [17:38:45] <ds2> what I don't know is if my problems are with gspca or musb since you guys used the UVC stuff instead
  • [17:38:47] <koen> since empathy segfaults before it can do something with the cam
  • [17:39:09] * koen suspects empathy doesn't check if mission-control is actually running
  • [17:39:23] <koen> ds2: I only have sn19x cams
  • [17:39:30] <koen> (you know, 2 for ???5)
  • [17:40:02] <ds2> koen: for the same reason, that's why I have gspca based webcams... got it a while ago before uvc :/
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  • [18:16:02] <ds2> has anyone seen SD card issues on rev B4?
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  • [18:22:12] <mru> hi all
  • [18:25:18] <koen> hey mru
  • [18:25:32] <gcohler> mru: The other day you said you had a snapshot that had working audio. Is there a binary I can try, or where do I go to get your build? Thanks.
  • [18:26:00] <mru> I can't have said that
  • [18:26:04] <Crofton|work> koen, you missed numpuy :)
  • [18:26:04] <mru> I've never tried audio
  • [18:26:33] <gcohler> mru: ok. I misunderstood. No issue. Thanks. :-)
  • [18:29:52] <gduncan> Ikarus: If you're having problems subscribing to the mailing list, log into gmail first, then go back and click the link.
  • [18:30:19] <gduncan> Subscribing failed for me until I logged in.
  • [18:31:09] <Ikarus> gduncan: erm, subscribing is possible from plain mail addresses (ie non-gmail) according to the Google documentation
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  • [18:51:43] <gduncan> Ikarus: Yes, but they still want you to have a google login to subscribe to the group!
  • [18:51:56] <gduncan> It can still go to whatever mail address you like.
  • [18:54:05] <Ikarus> gduncan: no, according to the google groups documentation I can subscribe without creating a bloody google account
  • [18:55:22] <gduncan> Maybe so, but I kept getting errors when following the subscription confirmation link, until I logged in. Then it 'just worked' (tm)
  • [18:56:14] <gduncan> Maybe not reading the google groups documentation lead to my sucecss.
  • [18:56:20] <gduncan> success.
  • [18:56:26] * Ikarus finds that google is getting just a bit too powerful and all knowing
  • [18:57:09] <gduncan> I for one welcome our omnipotent Google overlords.
  • [18:57:37] <gduncan> Anxiously awaiting my Google brain implant.
  • [18:58:17] <mru> http://xkcd.com/489/
  • [18:59:03] <Ikarus> LOL
  • [18:59:15] <ds2> Ikarus: are you referring to the failure message you get when you try to do it online?
  • [18:59:43] <Ikarus> ds2: yes
  • [18:59:48] <gduncan> lmao!
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  • [19:00:29] <ds2> Ikarus: I got that message when I subscribed and what happened was it got kicked out for manual approval so give it a few days... I believe the approver is traveling at the moment
  • [19:00:39] <Ikarus> aah, k
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  • [19:01:03] <ds2> subscribing w/o a google account works. I am subscribed that way
  • [19:02:01] <gduncan> But was it instant, or did you have to wait?
  • [19:04:44] <ds2> i had to wait
  • [19:05:13] <koen> Crofton|work: yeah, the sorter drops entries sometimes
  • [19:06:21] <koen> Crofton|work: thats why I tell people to inspect the diff :)
  • [19:07:21] <koen> Crofton|work: and yes, I updated ohloh today :)
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  • [19:09:11] <Crofton|work> ah
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  • [19:55:01] <_bernie> has anybody stumbled into bitbake being unable to build libtool?
  • [19:55:06] <_bernie> it happens only on one machine
  • [19:55:24] <_bernie> koen: me and _aleph are trying to rebuild sugar
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  • [20:14:24] <jkridner|work> Ikarus: just sent you an invite.
  • [20:14:37] <Ikarus> jkridner|work: thanks
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  • [21:08:00] <furan-> I wish there was a generic 3530 dev board that just broke out all the signals
  • [21:08:40] <furan-> or at least a dev board paired with 3530 paired with fpga that had some banks with signals going to the 3530 and some signals broke out
  • [21:09:10] <geist> that would be handy, yeah
  • [21:09:28] <geist> i think that's the price the beagleboard pays for being so small, not enough room for a huge header to bring everything out
  • [21:09:40] <geist> it's somewhat simpler than most dev boards
  • [21:09:44] <furan-> it's nice
  • [21:09:45] <geist> of course it's cheaper as well...
  • [21:09:58] <furan-> but there's no reason not to fab a board that pairs it with an fpga and is slightly bigger
  • [21:10:05] <furan-> honestly who cares about svideo?
  • [21:10:21] <furan-> or in my case if I want to do lcd, who cares about dvi?
  • [21:10:34] <geist> well, other people do exist.
  • [21:10:38] <furan-> can't make 1 board to serve many masters, but could make 3
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  • [21:10:55] <geist> it's clear that the beagleboard designers were thinking about driving a TV when they made it
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  • [21:11:00] <furan-> yea
  • [21:11:15] <geist> which i generally dont care about, but it's kind of cute
  • [21:11:30] <geist> i am saddened by the lack of ethernet, but what the hey
  • [21:11:33] <geist> there's usb for that
  • [21:11:44] <furan-> I think I'm gonna pick up an archos 5 and take it apart
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  • [21:20:01] <Ikarus> geist: there is SPI for it aswell :)
  • [21:20:18] <geist> ethernet over spi eh?
  • [21:20:23] <geist> guess that's feasible
  • [21:21:42] <furan-> feasibly slow
  • [21:22:31] <Ikarus> furan-: full 10Mbit in theory works
  • [21:22:40] <Ikarus> so suitable for stuff like webuis
  • [21:23:26] <sakoman_> jkridner: It seems that parts marked PTWL5030 and TPS65950 both report themselves as TWL4030 (via the IDCODE 0009002f) and ES 1.0
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  • [21:24:15] <gduncan> Are there newer kernel images available that what is found in Angstrom demo directory?
  • [21:24:34] <sakoman_> jkridner: This is an issue because they look like *old* 4030 parts!
  • [21:25:27] <sakoman_> My understanding is that 5030/65950 parts should have an IDCODE of 0009802F
  • [21:25:29] <gduncan> Specifically kernels that support resolutions other than 1280x1024?
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  • [21:30:12] <geist> sakoman_: as far as I can tell 5030 == 4030
  • [21:30:22] <geist> our EE guys even switched in the middle and forgot to tell us
  • [21:30:25] <geist> everything worked fine
  • [21:30:51] <sakoman_> well, with current linux-omap top of tree, they behave differently
  • [21:30:54] <geist> nice
  • [21:31:05] <geist> there's probably a difference somewhere, we just weren't exercising it
  • [21:31:14] <sakoman_> everything worked identically until the 4030 driver rewrite
  • [21:31:25] <geist> ahh, now that may be the case
  • [21:31:37] <geist> we have essentially our own, probably derived from the 'old' driver
  • [21:31:53] <sakoman_> so there *is* a difference, we just haven't figured out what it is
  • [21:32:04] <geist> you have all the manuals?
  • [21:32:18] <sakoman_> *and* the 5030 reports itself as a 4030 ES 1.0!
  • [21:32:21] <sakoman_> yes, I do
  • [21:32:44] <sakoman_> not easy to diff such a large document :-)
  • [21:32:47] <geist> of course those manuals are pretty hateful. unless TI wrote a differences document, it'd be hard to find the diff
  • [21:32:57] <sakoman_> yes
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  • [21:39:35] <Crofton|work> gduncan, the Angstrom kernel is based on git from a couple of weeks back+ some patches
  • [21:40:04] <Crofton|work> gduncan, we have not updated until we have some confidence the next kernel will be better than what we have
  • [21:42:16] <gduncan> I'd gladly take anyones patched test kernel to get past this resolution issue.
  • [21:42:41] <gduncan> Need 720p at any refresh.
  • [21:44:19] <ds2> actually... there is aOMAP3 board that breaks out all signals
  • [21:44:45] <Ikarus> at a price of $1500
  • [21:45:03] <ds2> uh....
  • [21:45:13] <Ikarus> or am I thinking of another one
  • [21:45:32] <ds2> I don't think the 1500 dollar one breaks out all the signals
  • [21:45:47] <ds2> IIRC, the one I am thinking of has one more zero on it ;)
  • [21:47:03] <ds2> but at that price, I think I'll start spinning PCB's instead ;)
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  • [22:03:55] <Ikarus> ds2: yup, at that price you can ask a bunch of chinese to put 50 together
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