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[01:55:39] <bullwood42> Has anyone actually gotten sound to work on Angstrom?
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[01:59:49] <jkridner|work> bullwood42: did you try the latest kernel?
[02:00:25] <jkridner|work> keon updated the uImage on 9/25.
[02:00:45] <jkridner|work> my understanding is that it still crashes, but much less frequently.
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[02:04:11] <gregoiregentil> No offense and nothing against anybody, but sounds totally sucks! They have been multiple reports that it's not working, and the question pops up every other day in the lounge or in the mailing list. Though it has been reported that sometimes it's working if using oss before alsa, I have tried multiple kernels from 22 to 27 and never made it work... My 2 cents: I think that the community should really fix this, meaning to f
[02:11:46] <bullwood42> jkridner:I did a fress download of all the files from the Angstrom demo directory
[02:13:39] <bullwood42> any attempt I have made to get sound locks up the board :(
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[02:28:37] <Crofton|work> on the bleeding edge Angstrom kernel, I can play mp3's and get work done with sound
[02:29:05] <Crofton|work> gregoiregentil, if it was easy, we would have fixed it
[02:29:11] <Crofton|work> it is a really hard problem
[02:29:23] <Crofton|work> anyway, I need to go to bed
[02:29:23] <Crofton|work> gn
[02:29:25] <bullwood42> where is that kernel available?
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[03:33:06] <gregoiregentil> Crofton: yes, same for me. If I could have fixed it, I would have done and given back to the community. It's why I started my paragraph with "no offense, nothing against anybody". I think that we need to find the right alsa expert, send the guy a board and let him fix it
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[04:01:02] <stillson> gregoiregentil: maybe this is your chance to become that expert....
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[04:11:59] <gregoiregentil> Stillson: That's a pretty good idea! But I'm already fighting with video and mplayer so one thing at a time ;-)
[04:19:55] <stillson> how does sound work on linux anyway?
[04:20:11] <stillson> i've seen the linuxaudio.png
[04:20:19] <ds2> 2 ways - raw alsa using libasound or /dev/dsp using OSS emulation
[04:20:28] <ds2> dev/dsp is easier to deal with
[04:20:31] <gregoiregentil> oss is the old architecture
[04:20:35] <gregoiregentil> alsa the new one
[04:21:02] <ds2> the future is completely unknown with the potential of being a userland mess with pulseaudio et al.
[04:21:49] <stillson> so, can it just be abstracted so that we have one interface to the underlying hardware, which can be anything?
[04:24:57] <stillson> admittedly, this is also my chance to become that expert
[04:27:07] <gregoiregentil> Stillson: a good starting point is to read the log of the #beagle chat room
[04:27:27] <gregoiregentil> some debug has already been done. There is a story around a null pointer passed back to the kernel.
[04:27:43] <stillson> audio is not my thing, sadly
[04:27:57] <gregoiregentil> An expert (someboyd that knows much more than me ;-) ) wrote a few days ago that the problem was probably more in the alsa layer
[04:28:12] <stillson> when I do get a beagle, I will just use it as embedded device
[04:28:15] <gregoiregentil> at the initialization level and the kernel alsa driver is supposed to be fixed now
[04:29:32] <stillson> I would like to write a simple os for the DSP
[04:32:32] <stillson> so, the kernel audio bits work?
[04:32:53] <stillson> or is alsa the actual device
[04:33:47] <gregoiregentil> you have two layer, one kernel driver and one userland programs
[04:34:00] <gregoiregentil> it has been reported that the alsa kernel driver is working
[04:34:14] <gregoiregentil> it's something that I can confirm because I can run on my system alsamixer
[04:34:41] <gregoiregentil> then the alsa userland program does something wrong in the initialization which makes crash the kernel
[04:35:20] <stillson> hmm
[04:35:41] <stillson> kernel crash should be easy enough to track down
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[08:41:04] <ldesnogu> hello
[08:41:40] <ldesnogu> what is the right way to switch Beagle to 600 MHz?
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[08:43:24] <koen> ldesnogu: finish the cpufreq driver :)
[08:43:41] <ldesnogu> :)
[08:43:59] <ldesnogu> so this means cpufreq does not workM
[08:44:05] <ldesnogu> s/M/?/
[08:44:22] <koen> the git kernel has no driver for it
[08:44:40] <koen> TI has posted patches, but cpufreq will depend in the SRF framework
[08:44:44] <koen> ldesnogu: easy way: http://git.mansr.com/?p=u-boot;a=commitdiff;h=76dca3e5bd0f9eff901b225717acb9eeb9214444
[08:44:50] <ldesnogu> didn't you do your various demos running at 600 MHz?
[08:44:56] <ldesnogu> oh you used Mans kernel ok :)
[08:45:02] <koen> no, all my demos run at 500MHz
[08:45:12] <koen> and they don't run the mru kernel :)
[08:45:24] <koen> although they should have most of mrus patches
[08:45:45] <koen> ldesnogu: what did arm fix in r1p3?
[08:45:49] <ldesnogu> hum, isn't big buck slightly slower than it should at 500 MHz?
[08:45:55] <ldesnogu> koen: sorry can't comment
[08:45:55] <koen> ldesnogu: mru is getting 2x speedups on some things
[08:46:15] <koen> ldesnogu: omapfbplay -b 100 :)
[08:46:23] <koen> 100MB of buffers helps a lot :)
[08:47:08] <ldesnogu> nah it can't allocate 100 MB... I am trying with 50 MB
[08:48:10] <ldesnogu> koen: in what kind of code is mru getting a twice speedup? I was off for more than a week and missed that
[08:48:39] <koen> ldesnogu: in this code: http://git.mansr.com/?p=omapfbplay;a=blob;f=yuv.S;h=53966a789557835f10aa77a2d55706f78a5859cd;hb=681a3bcdc5f646cb1e5413ef896a8c09f4e2daf8
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[09:33:36] <ldesnogu> koen: I get around 22 fps for big buck; not bad :)
[09:34:34] <chakie_work> would this thing work for powering a beagle in a car environment? http://www.carnetix.com/P5V.htm
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[10:34:58] <floholl> chakie: I have no practical experience with the Beagle and/or the power supply you are asking for, but as far as I know, the required specs are 5V, >=500mA. The device you are interested in seems to provide that.
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[10:57:12] <chakie_work> floholl: yeah, that's my interpretation too. if only the 5v is stable enough
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[11:37:43] <felipec> jkridner_: ping
[11:38:12] <Crofton|work> felipec, he's on the road
[11:38:40] <felipec> crofton
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[11:38:50] <felipec> Crofton|work: oh, thanks
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[11:50:52] <koen> Crofton|work: could you try building vlc?
[11:53:20] <Crofton|work> ok
[11:53:34] <Crofton|work> I'm having asound.conf issues
[11:55:34] <koen> what kind of issues?
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[11:56:09] <koen> Crofton|work: the kind of issues http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=0dbf65db8b5f543b5a29d630471f246a361d5d7b warns about?
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[12:01:30] <Crofton|work> vlc will take a while
[12:01:38] <Crofton|work> I have to do it on the other machine
[12:01:56] <Crofton|work> that problem
[12:02:08] <Crofton|work> opkg-cl goes 100% cpu
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[12:05:57] <koen> Crofton|work: remember that I ne
[12:06:05] <koen> mentioned "openmoko crapware" ?
[12:06:53] <Crofton|work> yes
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[12:07:20] <Crofton|work> I really need to set up a common source mirror so my two machines can share sources
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[12:16:55] <Jkx> Hi all, I'm wondering if some of you have ever think about a RTAI (or RTLinux) port on the beagle board ?
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[12:19:19] <koen> Jkx: wouldn't preempt-rt make more sense, since the beagle can run recent kernels?
[12:20:35] <Jkx> koen: i've been off the RT stuff for a while, things appear to changed
[12:20:52] <koen> Jkx: http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_Patch
[12:26:16] <Jkx> koen: yes, that's look fine
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[12:30:57] <Jkx> koen: it's looks like the patch should work ~ out of the box on the beagle board, no ?
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[12:32:43] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton: libgnomeui has missing libxrandr dependency, it would seem
[12:39:45] <[X]Spot> koen
[12:39:53] <[X]Spot> I received this er
[12:39:55] <[X]Spot> [root@localhost OE]# mtn --db=/OE/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.{stable,dev}
[12:39:55] <[X]Spot> mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication
[12:39:55] <[X]Spot> mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org
[12:39:55] <[X]Spot> mtn: finding items to synchronize:
[12:39:55] <[X]Spot> mtn: certificates | keys | revisions
[12:39:56] <[X]Spot> mtn: 75,188 | 75 | 24,773
[12:39:56] <Crofton|work> sweetlilmre|work, I'll double check wehn I can
[12:39:58] <[X]Spot> mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in
[12:40:00] <[X]Spot> mtn: 2.0 M | 1.8 M | 0 | 0
[12:40:02] <[X]Spot> mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in
[12:40:04] <[X]Spot> mtn: 12.7 M | 1.8 M | 6,604/6,604 | 1,631/1,631
[12:40:06] <[X]Spot> mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting
[12:40:12] <[X]Spot> following your article
[12:40:14] <[X]Spot> do you have an idea ?
[12:41:36] <koen> probably a network hickup
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[12:43:47] <sweetlilmre|work> Crofton|work: thanks. bitbake libxrandr followed by bitbake libgnomegui -f -c rebuild fixed it
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[12:56:45] <[X]Spot> koen I tried twice
[12:56:54] <[X]Spot> once yesterday and once today
[12:58:26] <chakie_work> i've got that once or twice too
[12:58:29] <ldesnogu> [X]Spot: I just did it here and it worked; do you have enough free space on your HD? (if that's the cause of the error than the msg is missleading :)
[12:58:32] <chakie_work> usually a retry has fixed ity
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[14:05:53] <koen> mru: what should I pass to omapfbplay -t ?
[14:07:53] <koen> ah
[14:07:59] <koen> -t 1920x1080 works
[14:11:20] <koen> Crofton|work: ping
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[14:11:38] <koen> Crofton|work: could you run http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/~koen/omapfbplay with "-t 1920x1080" as params?
[14:12:20] <koen> mru: omapfbplay -t 1920x1080: 10586 ms, 94 fps, read 291645569 B/s, write 388860759 B/s
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[14:18:05] <slothlove> is OSS audio reliable on Angstrom, or is any audio in general pretty borked at the moment?
[14:18:31] <koen> any audio is broken
[14:18:43] <koen> TI and git kernels
[14:19:02] <koen> recent angstrom kernels are better, but audio still has a tendency to oops
[14:25:20] <slothlove> koen: I should be getting my beagleboard and flyswatter rig in the next few days and low-latency audio will be top priority for me, so maybe I can dig something up. Is there a wiki anywhere with current progress?
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[14:28:15] <floholl> slothlove: it seems we are sharing an interest (in low-latency audio). I am expecting my Beagleboard for end of OCtober and will be working on a project through November. Would you be interested in exchanging contact details?
[14:29:25] <slothlove> floholl: absolutely. are you waiting for RevC?
[14:30:00] <floholl> I am afraid I can't afford to wait for Rev C
[14:30:12] <floholl> But for my purposes, Rev B should actually be enough
[14:30:25] <floholl> What worries me more at the moment is the audio situation
[14:31:49] <floholl> koen: From http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Sound_at_git_kernel it seems like OSS is working, but ALSA is not. Now from what you are saying it seems that both are actually not working correctly. Could you clarify?
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[14:42:16] <koen> floholl: there is only an alsa driver
[14:46:49] <koen> floholl: 'OSS' means "use oss emulation on top of alsa driver"
[14:48:51] <slothlove> using ASOC, right?
[14:50:28] <Crofton|work> right
[14:53:06] <slothlove> has anyone tried any USB audio interfaces?
[15:01:18] <koen> usb audio work
[15:03:15] <geist> hmm, no alsa for the omap + 4030?
[15:03:26] <geist> I think we had to hack quite a bit of that to get it to work
[15:04:38] <koen> geist: there is an asoc driver for the 4030
[15:04:46] <koen> geist: but it triggers a kernel bug
[15:04:58] <geist> ah
[15:05:23] <geist> yeah, i think that whole area is pretty problematic
[15:05:28] <geist> not sure how much if it we had to rewrite
[15:11:17] <Crofton|work> koen, I will run the test as soon as I have a working beagle
[15:11:49] <floholl> PD anywhere
[15:15:52] <slothlove> does the OMAP have an FPU?
[15:16:20] <sweetlilmre|work> it has the NEON extensions
[15:17:05] <koen> slothlove: omap3 has 2 FPUs: a vfplite and a NEON unit
[15:18:23] <floholl> so any estimates whether flaoting point realtime audio processing would actually be feasible on the OMAP?
[15:18:44] <koen> depends on you workload
[15:19:13] <koen> if your "realtime audio" is one sample per month, sure
[15:19:29] <koen> if it's 200 terasamples/s, no
[15:19:49] <koen> as with everything: test it and see
[15:19:49] <sweetlilmre|work> :)
[15:20:32] <floholl> well, actually the truth lies obviously somwehere in between the two. I was just wondering whether anyone has experience with the usual 44.1kHz stereo (or similar)
[15:20:44] <floholl> (but I assume not :-)
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[15:21:42] <sweetlilmre|work> flohol: I would also be interested. Currently I am building LinuxSampler, but have set it to use integer math
[15:21:53] <sweetlilmre|work> (I think, I am very new at this)
[15:22:27] <ReMixx> Hi guys, how long does it take to boot Angstrom for the first time on the Beagle?
[15:22:38] <sweetlilmre|work> quite a while, don't panic
[15:22:44] <Crofton|work> heh
[15:22:55] <Crofton|work> people keep talking about working on that
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[15:23:25] <Crofton|work> American productivity is headed for 0
[15:23:42] <Crofton|work> I am getting commentary on the bailout debate in another channel
[15:23:49] <sweetlilmre|work> don't see the point in optimising the 1st boot. as long as the subsequent ones are fast
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[15:24:06] <sweetlilmre|work> what's the status?
[15:24:07] <Crofton|work> subsequent ones need work also
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[15:24:19] <Crofton|work> apparently lots of talking
[15:24:38] <sweetlilmre|work> still? I thought they were trying to calm the markets!?!?
[15:24:48] <Crofton|work> heh
[15:24:52] <Crofton|work> I suppose
[15:24:56] <ReMixx> by quite a while, do you mean over an hour?
[15:25:10] <sweetlilmre|work> ReMixx: no couple of mins max
[15:25:11] <Crofton|work> koen, I think I am still having issues building an image
[15:25:35] <ReMixx> Oh ok, then perhaps I have a problem. let me copy what the terminal says
[15:25:44] <ReMixx> Uncompressing Linux.............................................................
[15:25:44] <ReMixx> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[15:25:50] <Crofton|work> ReMixx, pastebin
[15:26:06] <Crofton|work> that is bad
[15:26:20] <ReMixx> Crofton|work>I'm sorry, pastebin?
[15:26:32] <sweetlilmre|work> ReMix, msg me and I'll help you
[15:26:38] <Crofton|work> <Crofton|work> ~pastebin
[15:26:38] <Crofton|work> <ibot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
[15:27:12] <sweetlilmre|work> or Crofton could demonstrate his l33t irc commands :) :LOL
[15:27:19] <ReMixx> Lol thanks. sorry about that
[15:27:20] <Crofton|work> heh
[15:27:27] <Crofton|work> I used a bot in another channel :)
[15:27:52] <ReMixx> <sweetlilmre|work>I sent you a message
[15:28:14] <Crofton|work> bbiab, lunch
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[15:39:54] <koen> Crofton|work: demo image?
[15:43:06] <sweetlilmre|work> 'k gotta go home, 'flu is killing me, later.
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[15:43:13] <koen> GWS
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[15:59:53] <felipec> is anybody using usbnet?
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[16:06:56] <keesj> felipec: not on the beagle
[16:07:30] <koen> sakoman: the git admins couldn't figure out how to have the cia script ignore the master branch, so 'master' isn't getting pushed anymore
[16:07:42] <koen> sakoman: 'org.openembedded.dev' is still being pushed
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[16:08:15] <koen> sakoman: don't ask me who thought of that braindead plan, but that's the status atm
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[16:10:59] <ReMixx> Hi, I got a kernel panic while trying to boot Angstrom for the first time, can anyone help? Thanks. http://pastebin.com/d70c83939
[16:11:44] <koen> ReMixx: looks like you didn't read the README.txt
[16:11:56] <koen> ReMixx: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/README.txt
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[16:13:53] <ReMixx> koen: so wrong bootargs?
[16:14:59] <koen> that, and it looks like the tarball didn't get extracted properly
[16:15:46] <ReMixx> that's possible, untarring it seemed like a success but I had to close the terminal to unmount the sd card
[16:26:20] <Crofton|work> koen, console-image :(
[16:27:09] <Crofton|work> pulseaudio-meta is hosed
[16:27:30] <Crofton|work> I'm going to make an image so I have something, then see what I can figure out from there
[16:35:27] <sakoman> koen: thanks for the info
[16:35:51] <sakoman> so the master branch is basically a snapshot of a random point in time and will never be updated?
[16:36:32] <Crofton|work> sakoman, no clue
[16:36:47] <Crofton|work> ask on the ml
[16:36:50] <Crofton|work> oe.dev
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[16:47:55] <kulve> what's the difference of linux-omap-2.6 in git://source.mvista.com and in git.kernel.org?
[16:48:14] <ReMixx> koen: I redid the file system and untarred it again with no problems this time, but i'm getting a different kernel panic this time http://pastebin.com/d781f3495
[16:48:42] <Crofton|work> kulve, I think they are the same
[16:49:22] <Crofton|work> it seems to be partioned funny
[16:49:45] <Crofton|work> basically, it look like it does not find a filesystem
[16:49:55] <Crofton|work> as in the low level formation
[16:49:59] <Crofton|work> formatting
[16:50:18] <ReMixx> is that to me crofton?
[16:50:31] <kulve> Crofton|work: ok
[16:51:23] <Crofton|work> ReMixx, yes
[16:51:44] <ReMixx> Crofton|work: Ok, any suggestions?
[16:52:17] <Crofton|work> follow the instructions on partitioning and formatting the card carefullt
[16:52:44] <ReMixx> Crofton|work: I followed http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat to setup the SD card and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners for file placement and extraction
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[16:54:39] <Crofton|work> my point is that your partition table looks screwed up
[16:55:03] <Crofton|work> not at all what I would expect it to look like after you followed those instructions
[16:55:31] <Crofton|work> I can't pastebin my result from that point, but they do not looks like your at all
[16:55:48] <Crofton|work> therefore, you need to erase the partition table and start over ....
[16:56:15] <Crofton|work> and I need to wipe tmp and start over
[16:56:28] <Crofton|work> so this afternoon, I plat with scope and fpga
[16:56:50] <ReMixx> Crofton|work: Ok I will try again, thanks.
[16:57:23] <Crofton|work> It would be great if someone code post what the epxected output looks like :)
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[17:02:10] <N208L1> have a question for you kernel gurus -
[17:02:34] <N208L1> I'm (trying) to build my 2.6.26-omap1 kernel - the compile is going fine - no issues.
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[17:03:11] <N208L1> However, when I try to run said kernel, the omapfb complains that it cannot open the frame buffer
[17:05:02] <N208L1> the actual error from the omapfb is that "unable to allocate FB DMA memory'
[17:05:41] <koen> looks like either your bootargs or defconfig is wrong
[17:05:55] <koen> try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/uImage
[17:06:48] <N208L1> the uImage from angstrom works nicely... the defconfig seems the same between my build and the angstrom one.
[17:07:48] <N208L1> my bootargs ' console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 rootfstype=ext3 rw video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M quiet'
[17:09:11] <N208L1> wondering if video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M' is wrong?
[17:09:40] <N208L1> typo fix: ???wondering if video=omapfb:vram:2M,vram:4M is wrong?
[17:15:38] <koen> that sets up the framebuffer and overlay
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[17:25:10] <mru> hi
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[18:21:21] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ping
[18:21:31] <Crofton|work> pong
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[18:22:43] <prpplague> Crofton|work: hey, i've been doing some boards to test concepts for the beagle board add on, right now i have two boards, one with a ADC and GPIO expander, the other with an atmega48
[18:23:16] <prpplague> Crofton|work: any thoughts on pros/cons with one or the other?(yea i know its not a fpga)
[18:23:56] <Crofton|work> not familiar with the atmega, so ADC is more interesting
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[18:25:21] <prpplague> Crofton: the atmega48 has 7 ADC's available as well as a uart, i2c and spi
[18:25:38] <prpplague> Crofton: basically its a programmable version of the ADC+GPIO expander
[18:27:00] <Crofton|work> ah
[18:27:07] <Crofton|work> how fast are the adc's?
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[18:28:04] <prpplague> Crofton: good question, the core will be running at 20mhz, so they are pretty fast
[18:28:21] <prpplague> Crofton|work: probably not as fast as you need for sdr
[18:28:51] <Crofton|work> no, but there are some LF apps I can think of
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[18:51:05] <prpplague> do alot of people boot from the sd card on a regular basis?
[18:51:23] <prpplague> i mean using the "user-button" ?
[18:55:03] <Crofton|work> we make sure the flash is empty so we do not need to press the button
[18:55:16] <nathan__> Same here.
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[19:17:44] <Crofton|work> basically, it is easier to work from SD card atm
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[19:27:32] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ahh ok
[19:27:59] <Crofton|work> less messing around to reflasg
[19:28:08] <Crofton|work> eventually, this will change
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[19:28:35] <prpplague> Crofton|work: right now just trying to decide on the best way to interface this to the beagle: uart, i2c or spi
[19:38:00] <koen> hmmm
[19:38:13] <koen> my TV night is interupted by an extra news bulletin
[19:38:28] <Crofton|work> this is why I connected the expansion port to an fpga
[19:38:36] * Crofton|work apologizes
[19:38:56] * Crofton|work wonders how much more koen could get down without American TV exports
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[19:47:05] <likewise> hi all
[19:47:17] <likewise> koen: the beagle has landed. repeat. the beagle has landed. over.
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[19:51:33] <Crofton|work> likewise, congrats
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[19:54:18] <doog> I finally got around to trying Koen's ALSA fixed uImage and it still locked up. Is this old news?
[19:54:48] <Crofton> I am doing ok with the .27 kernel
[19:55:36] <doog> Crofton, you talking to me?
[19:55:46] <Crofton|work> I am hopeful there are some kernel guys trying to sort out some of the worse .27 issues
[19:55:50] <Crofton|work> doog, yes
[19:56:04] <Crofton|work> I don't know exactly which kernel you are using
[19:56:34] <likewise> Crofton|work: thanks. Now I can start to annoy everyone with newbie questions :-)
[19:57:01] <doog> I'm using Koen,s demo package/stuff though I just built from git/? last night but have not tried it yet.
[19:57:02] <Crofton|work> I've known long enough to know there won't be too many of those :)
[19:57:19] <Crofton|work> doog, I am using Angstrom built locally
[19:58:06] <Crofton|work> with the .27 kernel instead of the default
[19:58:30] <doog> crofton, will look into that, thinking bitbake anstrom-image or something like that does it.
[19:58:59] <Crofton|work> bitbake console-image
[19:59:21] <Crofton|work> and edit conf/machine/beagleboard.conf to use linux linux-omap, not linux-omap2
[19:59:53] <doog> checking that file to see if it is as you noted.
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[20:02:50] <doog> crofton, figures, it's linux-omap2 so I'll start the build again.
[20:04:43] <doog> can I ask a dumb question? Where's a Howto for building cli helloWorld and xHelloWorld?
[20:05:32] <doog> I'm going to attempt to port x2x to the beagle/Angstom
[20:05:51] <Crofton|work> doog
[20:06:18] <Crofton|work> doog be safe and bitbake -c clean task-base
[20:07:14] <doog> #doog doesnt' know how to use IRC very well - is stopping the build and will restart.
[20:11:45] <koen> likewise: great!
[20:14:36] <doog> is this correct: DISTRO_VERSION = 2008.1-test-20080929
[20:14:46] <Crofton|work> yeah
[20:15:06] <Crofton|work> ok I am back to where I was this morning
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[20:20:02] <doog> bit build failed already in linux-omap_git.bb with an unexpected EOF. Will restart before digging into what this is.
[20:21:55] <Crofton|work> koen, ping
[20:22:13] <Crofton|work> that vlc build you asked about finished
[20:22:17] <Crofton|work> likely a while ago
[20:27:29] <prpplague> this isn't offtopic(i have a reason for asking), anyone here familiar with the arduino boards?
[20:32:13] <koen> Crofton|work: great, thanks for testing
[20:32:33] <Crofton|work> I forgot about it and lost track of the window :)
[20:33:01] <Crofton|work> I got my other build in a mess and had to nuke tmp
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[20:55:35] <doog> bitbake complained of and EOF in an archive and git-pull doesn't update the file. How do I force that file updated/downloaded?
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[21:34:58] <mru> koen: ping
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[21:56:54] <doog> prplague, I only know of Arduino boards in that they are AVR boards, cheap and their SDK is Java based( wiring? ).
[21:58:28] <prpplague> doog: indeed
[22:07:07] <ds2> yipee boards are talking
[22:07:22] <doog> prplague: I've been thinking of getting one to see if it would be good to introduce a friends kid to programming. Any hints as to why your question is related to beagle?
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[22:31:46] <stillson> what's the cheapest place to get a beagleboard? is digikey it?
[22:32:17] <mru> digikey is the only place
[22:34:35] <stillson> ok
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[22:34:51] <stillson> i'm about to order my first board, any gotchas I should remember
[22:35:11] <Crofton|work> get the right serial cable :)
[22:35:23] <mru> yeah, definitely
[22:35:25] <Crofton|work> someone made a shopping list on the wiki
[22:35:45] <Beagle8> I'm thinking about getting a beagle board for my senior design project. Will this board act like a mini computer?
[22:36:03] <ds2> Beagle8: yep
[22:36:03] <mru> depending on what you intend to do, a compatible sd card for unbricking might be a good plan too
[22:36:16] <stillson> i'm looking at the shopping list
[22:36:43] <mru> you'll want a nice, large sdhc card for your main filesystem
[22:36:51] <Beagle8> that is, I am getting serial data from two devices, doing some calculations on the data and outputting the data to a web site
[22:37:08] <Beagle8> can i run a web server on the board?
[22:37:23] <stillson> i've got an 8 gig :)
[22:37:33] <ds2> sure
[22:37:33] <mru> Beagle8: sure
[22:37:51] <Beagle8> mru: w/o any extra components?
[22:37:56] <mru> as long as you stay away from the nasty, java based ones
[22:38:07] <ds2> inetd based webservers!
[22:38:08] <ds2> ;)
[22:38:58] <Beagle8> once i get the board, is it ready to go? it mentions somewhere that it comes with windows ce
[22:39:05] <ds2> No, it is a bareboard
[22:39:12] <ds2> No OS, just a bootloader
[22:39:31] <Beagle8> pretty easy to install the os?
[22:39:31] <stillson> bootloader on nand?
[22:39:44] <stillson> that makes life easy
[22:39:54] <mru> bootloader is in nand
[22:41:29] <stillson> Beagle8: it's kind of like installing linux onto a pc with just the bios, no os already
[22:42:03] <stillson> a little more involved, but the kind of think enterprising young minds should enjoy
[22:42:13] <ds2> can you write to a SD card? :)
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[22:43:01] <Beagle8> wifi from a usb doggle possible?
[22:43:07] <ds2> yep
[22:43:45] <stillson> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
[22:44:35] <vlad_> hah, that's awesome -- a friend was asking me to create something similar a few weeks ago
[22:44:57] <Beagle8> thanks for the link. and as far as drivers are concerned, as long as they are available for let say i use ubuntu, then no problem?
[22:45:25] <ds2> you can do better on the prices if you look around
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[22:46:31] <stillson> Beagle8: nope
[22:46:44] <stillson> ubuntu is x86 centric
[22:46:47] <stillson> this is ARM
[22:46:55] <stillson> very different architecture
[22:47:03] <mru> much better ;-)
[22:47:15] <ds2> depends, if it a USB driver, the same ones will likely work
[22:47:28] <ds2> same with SD stuff
[22:47:43] <Beagle8> any suggestions on a os from anyone?
[22:47:44] <ds2> PCI/PCMCIA/ISA would be more of a case by case basis
[22:47:49] <ds2> Linux
[22:48:03] <Beagle8> which one?
[22:48:46] <Beagle8> ubuntu is linux too, right?
[22:49:34] <mru> ds2: there is no pci, pcmcia, or isa
[22:49:54] <mru> ds2: pcmcia is of course nothing but isa
[22:50:31] <mru> so drivers for pci or isa devices are useless, simply because the devices can't be connected
[22:51:09] <ds2> mru: some drivers will do multiple buses
[22:51:26] <ds2> and actually the serial drivers are the ISA drivers!
[22:51:36] <Beagle8> gotta go to class. thanks all for your help
[22:51:41] <stillson> unless you want to understand linux a lot better, maybe you should check out a small intell based machine
[22:52:01] <ds2> no reason to use legacy machines
[22:52:10] <stillson> true
[22:52:17] <stillson> ARM is way nicer
[22:52:21] <mru> ds2: do the serial ports look like 16550 uarts?
[22:52:25] <stillson> less power, fast, etc
[22:52:27] <ds2> be green, use a real processor who's first function is not heating the entire room
[22:52:38] <ds2> mru: yep. looks exactly like 16550's + 1 register for PM
[22:53:02] <stillson> but it's a lot of work to teach someone all the detail of operating systems
[22:53:33] <mru> everybody ought to write a basic os at least once
[22:53:46] <mru> in machine code
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[22:55:03] <stillson> or least write a decent kernel module and a device driver
[22:57:11] <stillson> which i say since i've never written an os
[22:57:29] <mru> I can't claim to have written a proper OS
[22:57:45] <mru> they had us do a simple task scheduler for m68k in university
[22:57:53] <stillson> cool
[22:57:57] <stillson> embedded os
[22:58:14] <stillson> i would like to write a simple os for the dsp on beable
[22:58:16] <stillson> beagle
[22:58:27] <mru> that was after we'd written our own microcode for a *very* basic cpu
[22:58:55] <ds2> bah... just do custom logic and skip 'em microcode ;)
[22:59:03] <stillson> we designed a very basic cpu in uni
[22:59:13] <stillson> that was 20 years ago, though...
[22:59:30] <mru> my year was the last group that did the microcode task
[22:59:46] <mru> the year after, they switched to an arm based thing
[23:00:39] <stillson> ironic
[23:01:17] <mru> still, those courses in operating systems and computer design were by far the most useful ones
[23:01:30] <mru> to me at least
[23:01:39] <stillson> where did you go to school?
[23:01:48] <mru> KTH in sweden
[23:02:11] <Crofton|work> I've run across people from there, seems to be a good school
[23:02:22] <mru> it used to be good
[23:02:29] <mru> I got the feeling it was going downhill
[23:02:33] <mru> like everything else
[23:02:54] <stillson> cool
[23:03:47] <mru> sweden suffers from widespread technophobia
[23:04:00] <stillson> really?
[23:04:02] <mru> and the technical universities are the first to take the blows
[23:04:30] <Crofton|work> heh, I complain about where I went to school also
[23:04:46] <mru> don't get me wrong, I liked the school
[23:04:50] <stillson> i thought they had a lot of fairly large tech companies in sweden
[23:04:55] <mru> lots of good people there
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[23:05:33] <mru> true, there are quite a few tech companies
[23:06:34] <stillson> how good is your finnish :)
[23:07:01] <Crofton|work> allegedly they speak swedish
[23:07:05] <mru> 5 words or so
[23:07:20] <mru> the finns generally speak some swedish
[23:07:35] <mru> and if not, they speak english
[23:07:46] <stillson> that would be a wierd country to live in
[23:08:07] <mru> which? finland?
[23:08:14] <stillson> yeah
[23:08:22] <mru> I reckon it would be ok
[23:08:40] <stillson> a swedish friend of mine described finns as not to talkative
[23:08:48] <stillson> too talkative
[23:08:54] <mru> that would be an accurate description
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[23:09:05] <mru> where are you from?
[23:09:09] <stillson> US
[23:09:18] <stillson> right now, california
[23:09:36] <mru> been there a few times
[23:09:42] <mru> I like SF
[23:09:43] <stillson> near san francisco
[23:09:59] <stillson> I lived there for 9 years
[23:10:02] <stillson> great city
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[23:11:00] <stillson> where are you at in sweden?
[23:11:07] <stillson> are you in sweden?
[23:11:11] <mru> I'm not in sweden
[23:11:17] <mru> southampton, uk
[23:11:24] <stillson> I've been there
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[23:11:37] <stillson> for a job, about 11 years ago
[23:11:49] <mru> it's not much to write home about, I'll admit
[23:12:04] <stillson> I was only there for 2 weeks
[23:12:07] <stillson> it was ok
[23:12:16] <mru> it's ok to live here
[23:12:43] <stillson> sub sub contractor for the MOD
[23:13:46] <stillson> i remember driving by stonehenge
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[23:13:55] <stillson> and that it rained a lot
[23:13:55] <mru> yeah, that's nearby
[23:14:23] <stillson> and that you could smoke in bars (back when I smoked and drank)
[23:14:42] <mru> they banned smoking in bars a while ago
[23:14:53] <mru> great move
[23:14:59] <stillson> indeed
[23:15:04] <mru> now I can spend a night out and not stink when I get home
[23:15:19] <stillson> they should just ban smoking...
[23:15:38] <mru> I wouldn't complain
[23:15:44] <mru> but it's not going to happen
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[23:17:35] <stillson> nope
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