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  • [00:24:51] <Beagle0> hello all
  • [00:25:21] <Beagle0> this may have been asked before, but does anyone know if its possible to run flash player on the beagle board?
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  • [00:32:28] <Crofton> Beagle0, not sure about that
  • [00:32:36] <Crofton> koen, has some opinions :)
  • [00:34:11] <Crofton> sakoman, I am 99% certain that I have copied over a new MLO without needing to re-flash
  • [00:34:54] <Beagle0> thanks crofton
  • [00:34:59] <ds2> Beagle0: possible, yes.
  • [00:35:13] <Beagle0> any idea what it would take (beagle newbie)
  • [00:35:14] <ds2> why would someone what to is a better question
  • [00:35:30] <Beagle0> looking to make a flash-based photo frame
  • [00:35:31] <Crofton> there is gnash and swf-something
  • [00:35:51] <ds2> lawyers, a few suitcases of cash plus some groveling before the adobe folks =)
  • [00:35:57] <Crofton> I do not do any flash stuff though
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  • [00:36:10] <Beagle0> ok...well is it possible to get a gnash player for beagle?
  • [00:36:35] <ds2> that should work, it is mainly the integration with a browser that needs to be worked on
  • [00:36:52] <Beagle0> im mainly interested in a standalone player
  • [00:37:16] <ds2> if you got a workable userland, I think it should just work
  • [00:37:36] <ds2> as long as it is something that gnash can understand
  • [00:37:55] <Beagle0> thanks ds2
  • [00:38:39] <ds2> Beagle0: the gnash folks I think said it already runs on the Z and that's a armv5te (Xscale)... I don't thinkt hey are using the Xscale extensions so basic ARM stuff should just work
  • [00:39:06] <Beagle0> ok...another dumb question: does anyone know of any cheap lcds i can use with the beagle?
  • [00:39:14] <Beagle0> looking for like 7-10"
  • [00:39:18] <Crofton> there are OE recipes for both options to the best of my knowledge
  • [00:39:28] <Beagle0> what is OE?
  • [00:39:48] <Crofton|work> OpenEmbedded
  • [00:40:14] <Beagle0> ah, thans
  • [00:41:21] <Beagle0> soo...any suggestions on cheap lcds?
  • [00:41:30] <ds2> NTSC LCDs come up cheap often
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  • [03:04:27] <jkridner> hi khasim
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  • [03:23:43] <sakoman_> Crofton: I started with a fresh dos format and was able to use my MLO image on MMC
  • [03:24:11] <sakoman_> I was also able to write it to flash and use it that way too
  • [03:24:39] <sakoman_> So I am not sure why it isn't working for you :-(
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  • [11:06:24] <dcordes> jkridner|work: out of US online orders work again. placed mine yesterday
  • [11:21:37] <Crofton|work> the website still shows 1 in stock
  • [11:22:00] <Crofton|work> makes it hard for my amateur sales figure generation :)
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  • [11:25:25] <jkridner> dcordes: Great!
  • [11:25:33] <Crofton> gm
  • [11:25:38] <jkridner> gm
  • [11:27:41] <Crofton> sakoman, the md5sum of the MLO you sent is 4ec592326ff64c623445e2af78e39313
  • [11:27:48] <Crofton> can you check yours just in case
  • [11:28:42] <dcordes> Crofton: only one? looks like I've been lucky :D
  • [11:29:08] <Crofton> I do not think have ever shown the actual number :)
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  • [11:31:26] <Crofton> yay, congress is going on vacation!
  • [11:32:21] * Crofton wonders if the Belgians ever sorted out their government
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  • [11:50:25] <Crofton> sakoman, I just re-copied a file called MLO-revb onto the sd card and it boots :(
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  • [14:19:42] <sakoman_> Crofton: strange. could you try the images at: http://www.sakoman.net/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/beagleboard/
  • [14:20:22] <sakoman_> here's what I get with MLO on mmc and u-boot in nand: http://pastebin.com/m58a1b114
  • [14:21:15] <sakoman_> This is with a standard 1GB MMC card
  • [14:21:57] <jkridner> are you _trying_ to boot u-boot from NAND using MLO on MMC?
  • [14:21:59] <sakoman_> It seems that when I try to use an 8GB card, neither MLO-revb nor my MLO work
  • [14:22:07] <jkridner> kind of an odd combo. just to test MLO?
  • [14:22:12] <sakoman_> yes
  • [14:22:35] <sakoman_> I wanted to make sure that it works from MMC and written to nand
  • [14:22:59] <sakoman_> Crofton: says it isn't working for him, so we're trying to figure out why
  • [14:26:25] <sakoman_> jkridner: the MLO from my git is supposed to work from either place, and once loaded will attempt to load u-boot from mmc, onenand, and nand in that order
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  • [14:27:09] <jkridner> k.
  • [14:28:17] <sakoman_> jkridner: give it a try if you are feeling adventurous :-)
  • [14:33:13] <sakoman_> still needs some work, but it is getting closer
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  • [14:44:45] <sakoman_> Crofton: I found a bug that will keep my MLO from loading u-boot from MMC. The rom boot loader should load and launch MLO itself though. At that point it will only load u-boot from onenand or nand. I'll fix that momentarily
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  • [14:47:22] <Crofton> sakoman, thanks
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  • [14:57:52] <Crofton|work> Glad to know I am not crazy
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  • [15:06:00] <sakoman_> Crofton: well, you should see the MLO running from MMC
  • [15:06:10] <sakoman_> It sounded like that was not the case
  • [15:06:15] <Crofton> no
  • [15:06:42] <sakoman_> no, you didn't see it running from MMC?
  • [15:07:04] <Crofton> I just see an xloader message
  • [15:07:12] <sakoman_> with the image linked this morning you can tell by the version string, it will be 1.41sms
  • [15:07:13] <Crofton> does that come from your MLO?
  • [15:07:59] <sakoman_> If you don't have a MLO in nand, then that message did indeed come from my MLO
  • [15:07:59] <Crofton> try the one from the AM's lik?
  • [15:08:31] <sakoman_> If you do have a MLO in nand, then you wouldn't be able to tell since they both print the same thing :-)
  • [15:08:43] <jkridner|work> http://pastebin.com/m48f92cb6
  • [15:08:47] <sakoman_> But this AM's MLO prints a unique string
  • [15:08:59] <jkridner|work> I have a u-boot in NAND and your MLO seems to work nicely.
  • [15:09:07] <jkridner|work> I'll try putting a u-boot in MMC now.
  • [15:09:25] <sakoman_> Jkridner|work: don't bother just yet!
  • [15:09:46] <sakoman_> found a bug where mmcboot only happens on systems that report managed nand
  • [15:09:49] <Crofton|work> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.41sms
  • [15:09:55] <sakoman_> just testing a fix now
  • [15:10:17] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: excellent, so my next one should work (fingers crossed)
  • [15:10:24] <Crofton|work> All these different names for the name thing are confusing :)
  • [15:11:08] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: I agree
  • [15:11:39] <sakoman_> I'll change my git so the message is a lttle more clear about what you are running
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  • [15:17:38] <sakoman_> jkridner: hopefully this new MLO will eliminate the need for having multiple MLO's for beagle (different for MMC vs nand vs onenand if you ever want to build onenand beagles again)
  • [15:18:06] <jkridner> k. did you get inventive on making it all fit?
  • [15:18:27] <sakoman_> jkridner: it is still only 17K
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  • [15:18:50] <jkridner> for Beagle, my strategy has been to make things as predictable as possible for the user... that is, it will boot as you have configured the NAND unless you specifically do something to change that.
  • [15:19:24] <jkridner> whatever the strategy is, we need to make sure that people cannot easily "forget" to do something. That is why Beagle has no jumpers or switches (other than momentary).
  • [15:20:13] <sakoman_> with this MLO it will look for u-boot in the following order: mmc, onenand, nand
  • [15:20:15] <jkridner> anyway, a single MLO will be quite welcome.
  • [15:20:40] <sakoman_> I'm thinking of adding serial as a fallback if it can't find u-boot in the other places
  • [15:20:51] <sakoman_> shouldn't take much code
  • [15:21:03] <jkridner> if someone forgets that they have a u-boot on the MMC card, they could be surprised when it doesn't boot from NAND, but I think that is an odd corner-case.
  • [15:21:21] <jkridner> cannot wait until we have a USB-enabled u-boot.
  • [15:21:31] <sakoman_> Won't be a surprise because it prints a message saying where it found u-boot
  • [15:22:05] <sakoman_> Well, it might be a surprise, but it won't be a mystery :-)
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  • [15:28:28] <jkridner> surprise is better than mystery, but some mysteries require scrolling back in the buffer to solve.
  • [15:28:41] <jkridner> er, surprises.
  • [15:28:47] <jkridner> ah, you probably know what I mean.
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  • [15:41:21] <sakoman_> jkridner: yes, I do :-)
  • [15:41:59] <sakoman_> hmm . . . now a bug in fatload :-(
  • [15:42:06] <sakoman_> why can't it ever be easy!
  • [15:53:13] <jkridner> hmmm.... download links to big buck bunny seem to be broken.
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  • [16:09:26] <sakoman_> jkridner: do you need a copy? I think I have a few different sizes here
  • [16:09:59] <jkridner> I'm looking for the version that was used for the LRL UK demo.
  • [16:10:19] <sakoman_> jkridner: have no idea which one that was :-)
  • [16:11:29] <sakoman_> I've got 480p_AVC_FW33.mp4, 320x180.mp4, and Portable_p272_native_res_FW3xx.mp4
  • [16:11:43] <koen> good morning all
  • [16:12:19] <sakoman_> gm koen!
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  • [16:12:48] <koen> any cool beagleboard news today?
  • [16:13:26] * koen spots a onenand patch on linux-omap ml
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  • [16:23:31] <jkridner|work> big news today is international orders. :)
  • [16:23:44] <jkridner|work> k, there are some technical news items too. :)
  • [16:24:17] <jkridner|work> I'm headed into work and will look to download some big buck bunny vids from there.
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  • [16:32:29] * koen builds a kernel with Pauls v3 patches
  • [16:44:45] <koen> http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~koen/beagleboard/demo/uImage-2.6.26-r53-beagleboard.bin
  • [16:44:55] <koen> for people wanting to help debug the serial hang
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  • [17:19:17] <koen> jkridner|work: I got some emails from dutch companies buying a bunch of boards to do stuff on
  • [17:19:25] <koen> jkridner|work: seems the beagle is selling really well :)
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  • [17:26:10] * koen declares it's beer o'clock
  • [17:26:28] <Crofton|work> someone else on the gnu radio list bought a beagle
  • [17:26:37] <Crofton|work> we need to get some stuff working :)
  • [17:26:56] <koen> didn't montevista already fix all the SDR stuff?
  • [17:26:57] <mru> koen: on fridays, beer o'clock is at noon
  • [17:27:14] <Crofton|work> damn beer thirty here
  • [17:27:26] <koen> Crofton|work: their EDC blurb made it seem so
  • [17:27:50] <Crofton|work> http://www.downtownblacksburg.com/steppinout.html
  • [17:27:57] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [17:27:58] <mru> Crofton|work: or half beer as we'd say here in england
  • [17:28:18] <Crofton|work> I should have stayed downtown drinking beer
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  • [17:31:38] <Crofton|work> http://hillbillysavants.blogspot.com/2006/07/steppin-out.html
  • [17:32:03] <Crofton|work> some local history :)
  • [17:32:35] * koen reads "culinary arts" and fetches a piece of steak
  • [17:33:10] <Crofton|work> mostly, we try get a table at the window of a local bar and watch people walk by
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  • [18:03:08] <koen> uptime 1 hour, still no serial hang
  • [18:04:30] * Crofton plays the jeopardy music
  • [18:09:18] * koen hopes tony returns ASAP
  • [18:09:29] <Crofton> amen
  • [18:09:47] <Crofton> I went looking for his vacation email the other day
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  • [18:20:20] * sakoman_ would love a month vacation!
  • [18:21:07] * koen has had 5 days of vacation this summer
  • [18:21:28] <koen> in theory I should have 10 weeks of vacation from uni
  • [18:23:14] * Crofton needs to figure out what the deal is with his shoulder, it is hard to vacation with a sucky right arm
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  • [18:25:23] * jkridner|work has about 6 weeks of vacation a year, *in theory*.
  • [18:25:34] <jkridner|work> (never sees it)
  • [18:25:43] <prpplague> jkridner|work: wow, that is positively european of you
  • [18:26:07] <prpplague> jkridner|work: don't hear of too many employees in the states having that much time
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  • [19:03:46] <koen> up 2 hours, no serial hang
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  • [19:51:30] <sakoman_> Crofton: found the MLO mmc boot issue. It was another compiler dependent infinite loop :-(
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  • [19:53:58] <Crofton> ug
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  • [20:03:41] <koen> 3 hours running, still no serial hang
  • [20:07:10] <sakoman_> Crofton: I'll ping you when the autobuilder has new versions available
  • [20:07:25] <sakoman_> trying to do 3 things at once :-(
  • [20:07:54] <sakoman_> so hopefully my fix works the first time
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  • [20:17:30] <ds2> whweeeeeee my $8 HDMI-DVI-D cable works!
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  • [20:34:05] <koen> 3.5 hours running, still no serial hang
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  • [20:36:58] <paul_pwsan> hello everyone
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  • [20:37:16] <paul_pwsan> just wanted to post one request for koen and anyone else looking at the serial hang issue:
  • [20:38:16] <paul_pwsan> if the serial hang occurs, please send a sysrq-q (break + q, or ctrl-a f q in minicom) and please email the bottom section of the resulting output (the GPT register dump) to paul@pwsan.com
  • [20:38:59] <Crofton> sakoman, no hurry, I am going to run out today messing with gnuradio
  • [20:39:10] <Crofton> trying to get setup to play with NEON and gnuradio
  • [20:39:18] <Crofton> but, I am hampered by being an idiot
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  • [20:43:12] <paul_pwsan> left my beagle board running overnight with the v3 patch set, it's been up now for 18 hours. it's printed two "GPTIMER missed match interrupt" messages, both of which happened when the console was idle
  • [20:46:41] <paul_pwsan> did manage to get it to hang once before leaving it on overnight. probably a similar scenario to what dirk reported. will attempt to come up with a workaround for that also
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  • [21:00:04] <koen> paul_pwsan: will post the output when/if it hangs
  • [21:00:15] <jkridner|work> coming up to the end of the business day in the US. If anyone is going to LinuxWorld, be sure to come by and pick up the invites to the Jillian's event.
  • [21:00:25] <paul_pwsan> koen: thx
  • [21:00:39] <jkridner|work> We can talk about serial lockups and break out some boards to try things. ;)
  • [21:01:04] <prpplague> jkridner|work: rusty herod with tincantools should come by your area at LWE
  • [21:01:24] <jkridner|work> excellent.
  • [21:01:42] <jkridner|work> btw, I'm not aware that anyone has gotten very far with OpenOCD...
  • [21:02:04] <prpplague> jkridner|work: yea, from what i've heard there hasn't been any progress
  • [21:02:11] <jkridner|work> I had a chat with some of the emulation folks last week and they gave me a doc that is meant to explain how to initially setup the scan chain...
  • [21:02:23] <jkridner|work> it was meant to go into the TRM, but was set as a low priority.
  • [21:02:34] <prpplague> jkridner: i was hope'n to be done with this project by the 15th, but i think its going to run a week or two more
  • [21:02:47] <jkridner|work> if someone is really working on OpenOCD, they should contact me for an early version of the scan chain setup.
  • [21:02:48] <ds2> jkridner: there is a ticket, card I need to get at the TI booth?
  • [21:03:02] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ahh interesting
  • [21:03:09] <jkridner|work> We'll let you in. :)
  • [21:03:15] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll keep my ears open for anything
  • [21:03:23] <jkridner|work> there are cards, but it just depends on how crowded it is on if they are needed.
  • [21:03:37] <ds2> I'll be at the exhibits anyways
  • [21:04:00] <ds2> might try to give the hammer folks a hard time since prpplague won't be there ;)
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  • [21:04:23] <jkridner|work> come by the TI booth anyway and get your picture taken with Boris, if he makes it. (I can't believe someone is actually thinking about going in a dog suit.)
  • [21:04:40] <prpplague> ds2: ha
  • [21:04:54] <jkridner|work> prpplague: it is only 2 time zones away!
  • [21:05:20] <ds2> I do need to find out how late the trains run
  • [21:05:25] <prpplague> jkridner|work: couldn't get the time off, they are pushing this pda out the door asap
  • [21:05:43] * koen reads somethng about dog suit
  • [21:06:20] * koen wonders what a missing ehci port equates to in a dog suit
  • [21:06:23] <koen> missing paw?
  • [21:06:59] <Crofton|work> furries?
  • [21:07:43] * koen has seen enough furries since LRL
  • [21:08:37] <koen> 4 hours, no serial hang
  • [21:08:41] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:08:41] * koen heads to sleep
  • [21:08:45] <Crofton|work> gn
  • [21:08:55] <jkridner|work> some people only have certain skill sets.
  • [21:09:13] * jkridner|work isn't sure what he meant by that.
  • [21:09:30] * Crofton|work isn't sure either
  • [21:09:32] * jkridner|work cannot translate missing ehci port to anaotomy
  • [21:09:41] <jkridner|work> anatomy
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  • [21:09:58] <Crofton|work> go home :)
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  • [21:13:32] <jkridner|work> :)
  • [21:13:50] <sakoman_> jkridner|work: sadly I won't be coming down to SFO next week
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  • [21:14:16] <sakoman_> Too much work to do to spend 8 hours driving
  • [21:16:44] <paul_pwsan> jkridner|work: yes, please do post any jtag-related documents or scan chain data somewhere
  • [21:17:13] <koen> mru: armeb NAS boxes have faster networking (at least on ixp cores) when run in BE mode, although the difference is only a few percent
  • [21:17:17] * koen really zzzz now
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  • [21:44:58] <calculus> ds2: last train leaves SF, at midnight or so
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  • [21:46:29] <calculus> 12:01 according to the schedule here
  • [21:50:22] <sakoman_> Crofton|work: the MLO in my feeds now seems to work for mmc boot
  • [21:51:49] <sakoman_> I need to clean up some of the messages
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  • [22:51:40] <macneib> hi everyone, have a small problem with my board
  • [22:52:29] <macneib> powers up fine and i'm connecting through a serial cable and using kermit to connect
  • [22:53:05] <macneib> boots fine, but i cannot input any commands. it seems to freeze @ OMAP3 beagleboard.org #
  • [22:53:57] <ds2> macneib: set flow none before the connect
  • [22:54:06] <ds2> macneib: I use kermit and the commands I use are:
  • [22:54:19] <macneib> k 1 sec
  • [22:54:25] <ds2> set line /dev/ttyS0; set speed 115200; set carr off; set flow none; connect
  • [22:57:09] <macneib> i might go down in history as the biggest moron ever
  • [22:57:16] <ds2> ?
  • [22:57:23] <macneib> forgot set flow non
  • [22:57:35] <ds2> heh
  • [22:57:42] <ds2> it seems only certain boards need not
  • [22:59:05] <macneib> nope didn't work
  • [22:59:20] <jkridner|work> what serial adapter do you have?
  • [22:59:25] <ds2> are you sure you are using the right adapter cable?
  • [22:59:39] <ds2> got ohm meter/dmm to sort it out?
  • [22:59:40] <macneib> it's a db9 pass through male to male
  • [22:59:49] <macneib> back at the office
  • [23:00:01] <ds2> no, the 10pin header to the DB-9 wiring has 2 defacto standards
  • [23:00:26] <macneib> though it gives good data off the board
  • [23:00:43] <ds2> macneib: you are trying it after restarting kermit right?
  • [23:00:50] <macneib> 2 standards?
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  • [23:00:54] <ds2> I found that if kermit is not restarted, things never work
  • [23:01:03] <jkridner|work> yeah, AT/Everex is the right one for this board.
  • [23:01:25] <jkridner|work> see http://beagleboard.org/hardware at the bottom for a link to the right serial adapter.
  • [23:01:34] <ds2> heh.. the OTHER OMAP3 board use a different standard ;)
  • [23:01:45] <jkridner|work> in addition to the serial adapter, you need to use a null-modem cable, not a straight through.
  • [23:02:22] <jkridner|work> ds2: a couple of the others.
  • [23:02:41] <macneib> ok so my equipment here isn't going to cut it
  • [23:03:18] <ds2> I suspect if you got far enough to get the prompt, you have the right one
  • [23:03:33] <ds2> when I used the one from another board, all I got was garbage, as if ground and TxD was swapped
  • [23:03:42] <jkridner|work> it is possible TX is connected and RX is not.
  • [23:03:56] <ds2> oh DOH that one would suck
  • [23:03:57] <jkridner|work> remember, he's also not using a null modem, I believe.
  • [23:03:58] <macneib> jkrinder: is that possible?
  • [23:04:07] <macneib> that's true
  • [23:04:12] <ds2> not using a NULL modem would result in no output at all
  • [23:04:18] <ds2> cuz TxD would be driving TxD
  • [23:04:28] <jkridner|work> the boards are all tested for RX/TX prior to shipping.
  • [23:04:47] <macneib> yeah i know it's my equipment the board is working flawlessly
  • [23:05:05] <jkridner|work> have you considered what would be connected if you had the Quant(?) serial adapter and a straight-through cable?
  • [23:05:28] <macneib> i'm just surprised that i can connect, get data but can't write
  • [23:05:36] <macneib> with the wrong cable
  • [23:05:36] <jkridner|work> Digi-Key is working on stocking the serial adapters. They already sell the null modem cables.
  • [23:10:26] <macneib> ok i'll pick this up again once i'm back at the office on monday night
  • [23:10:30] <macneib> have a great weekend
  • [23:10:33] <sakoman_> jkridner|work: the MLO issue is solved now. it was an infinite loop in mmc_stream_init.
  • [23:10:41] <macneib> thanks for the help
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  • [23:11:09] <sakoman_> same issue (same code in fact) that I ran into with u-boot
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