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  • [01:24:50] <cjb80> anyone alive in here?
  • [01:25:04] <mru> just about ;-)
  • [01:25:14] <mru> it's kind of late here
  • [01:25:16] <cjb80> How's it going
  • [01:25:27] <mru> playing with neon in ffmpeg
  • [01:25:29] <cjb80> what time zone are you in? :)
  • [01:25:33] <mru> gmt
  • [01:25:56] <cjb80> well, uhm.. do you mind talking with me for a few minutes
  • [01:26:03] <mru> not at all
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  • [01:26:24] <cjb80> alright, so I am a computer engineering student
  • [01:27:03] <cjb80> and I am interested in consumer electronics, and I pretty much figured out that beyond the basic ideas, I need to figure things out myself.
  • [01:27:24] <cjb80> so I have been working for the past month researching things, and I just recently discovered the beagle board
  • [01:27:53] <cjb80> it looks like a great learning opportunity, so I am interested in getting involved somehow..
  • [01:28:07] <mru> yes, it's a nice little board to play around with
  • [01:28:21] <mru> they're kind of hard to get your hands on right now
  • [01:28:26] <cjb80> one of my primary objects is honestly to get ahold of someone with similar interests that can answer some questions with seem .. elusive
  • [01:28:42] <cjb80> yeah, I see that... apparently version 2 will be available this month?
  • [01:28:47] <cjb80> how big is the community?
  • [01:28:59] <cjb80> I was surprised to see this many users in here
  • [01:30:10] <mru> yes, there are more people here than boards in existence
  • [01:30:33] <cjb80> Are you a student, hobbyist? Work as an engineer?
  • [01:30:45] <mru> I work as a software engineer in the daytime
  • [01:30:57] <cjb80> do you work in embedded development?
  • [01:31:11] <mru> yes, satellite receivers
  • [01:31:46] <cjb80> do you happen to know the people from TI that started the project?
  • [01:32:38] <mru> I've spoken to some TI people, and some are often oline here
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  • [01:34:03] <cjb80> when is the chat room generally more active?
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  • [04:10:56] <jkridner> cjb80: early morning US seems to be the most active with overlap with Europe.
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  • [07:13:39] <keesj> :p
  • [07:14:27] <keesj> jkridner: with people from brasil we I can perform 24/7 and it is a 5 hour diff
  • [07:20:29] <koen> jkridner: having something working in flash is nice for people to get started, they can always reflash
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  • [10:55:42] <jkridner> good morning
  • [10:58:01] <ldesnogu> gm
  • [10:58:41] <jkridner> keesj: we stay pretty full 24/7, just not always very talkative.
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  • [11:05:22] <cjb80> anyone alive now? :)
  • [11:05:47] <koen> no, just zombies
  • [11:05:52] <cjb80> heh heh
  • [11:06:56] <cjb80> any thoughts on the best distro for embedded development? (are some better than others?)
  • [11:07:22] <koen> host or target?
  • [11:07:28] <cjb80> host
  • [11:07:56] <cjb80> I just assume that people use the Linux provided by TI
  • [11:07:57] <koen> each has their own problems
  • [11:08:00] <jkridner> there's been some discussion on this on the e-mail list.
  • [11:08:16] <jkridner> does TI provide host linux?
  • [11:08:17] <koen> ubuntu has the dash problem, fedora has broken VDSO so you can't use qemu, etc
  • [11:09:12] <cjb80> if you have a board to test on, do you need qemu?
  • [11:10:27] <jkridner> not if you have a board.
  • [11:11:05] <cjb80> what is the Ubuntu dash problem? (sorry for the dumb questions)
  • [11:11:08] <jkridner> koen: what is the dash problem? you just mean it has the wrong shell? that is pretty easy to patch.
  • [11:12:50] <koen> various scripts fail silently when using dash
  • [11:13:16] <jkridner> I use Gentoo. I had a couple of hiccups getting OpenEmbedded setup, but it wasn't bad. I need to go back and look at my patches and submit them. :( Gentoo-prefix has a few more hurdles, so I never got there with my Mac.
  • [11:13:57] <kulve> I use debian
  • [11:14:36] <cjb80> Do you happen to know if there is a work around for the Fedora/qemu issue?
  • [11:15:57] <koen> build your own kernel without the broken redhat patch
  • [11:16:32] <koen> http://pfalcon-oe.blogspot.com/2007/06/running-user-qemu-emulation-on-fedora.html
  • [11:16:55] <cjb80> thanks for the link :)
  • [11:17:38] <suihkulokki> echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
  • [11:26:54] <ldesnogu> koen: does that VDSO problem apply to more recent versions of FC?
  • [11:27:21] <koen> ldesnogu: I don't use fedora
  • [11:27:25] <koen> yach, rpms
  • [11:28:16] <suihkulokki> did you mean "yum, rpms" ;)
  • [11:28:23] <koen> heh
  • [11:29:15] <jkridner> koen: what do you run on your host?
  • [11:30:35] <jkridner> and, when is someone going to give me a recipe I can use to build BeagleBoard.org? I have built the web host using a script that I put onto http://code.google.com/p/maemo-sdk-image/
  • [11:30:47] <jkridner> there are a few things that haven't quite made it up there...
  • [11:31:04] <jkridner> I was originally trying to make a script to build a host image to develop for the n800....
  • [11:31:20] <jkridner> then, I just got started on building a host for the website.
  • [11:31:42] <jkridner> eventually, I still want a nice dual-role host: web hosting and development for the OMAP target.
  • [11:32:24] <ali_as_> Jason, how can you possbly be in the US, it's like nothing o clock in the morning there isn't it?
  • [11:32:49] <jkridner> 6:30AM.
  • [11:32:52] <koen> jkridner: OSX :)
  • [11:33:05] <koen> jkridner: 3 out of 4 of my build machines run debian
  • [11:33:12] <koen> jkridner: the other one ubuntu
  • [11:33:26] <jkridner> are you using fink or gentoo or something on top of OSX?
  • [11:33:30] <ali_as_> 6.30 is a certifiable time to be awake. :)
  • [11:33:48] <ldesnogu> koen: it seems like this VDSO stuff can be configured http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt
  • [11:33:49] <jkridner> my home desktop is OSX as well.
  • [11:34:21] <koen> jkridner: I installed fink eons ago, but I only installed wget and svn
  • [11:35:52] <jkridner> so, as soon as I go ahead and SVN bitbake, instead of trying to debug the gentoo-prefix install, you are telling me that my life will get easier on OSX? these days, I'm just relying on my Gentoo and Ubuntu installs to perform builds, but those are slower machines.
  • [11:38:05] <koen> I tried OE on OSX once
  • [11:38:10] <koen> I wouldn't recommend it
  • [11:39:47] <jkridner> ?!?
  • [11:40:00] <jkridner> how do you run OSX everyday and not use OE on it?
  • [11:40:34] <suihkulokki> I guess using a magnificent tool called ssh? ;)
  • [11:41:51] <Genesis> hihi my ex-chief also wanted to build linux oe image with OSX
  • [11:43:03] <jkridner> 8 processor Mac Pro and what I get is one of them waiting for packets from ssh? Doesn't seem very economical. :)
  • [11:45:06] <ali_as_> 6 of them could play chess against each other and the last could play solitaire.
  • [11:45:22] * koen hugs ssh
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  • [12:27:03] <jkridner> koen: how long did it take for that demo to build? It ran overnight, but halted when one site was down. It started right back up this morning.
  • [12:27:16] <jkridner> it is up to webkit-gtk.
  • [12:27:29] <jkridner> Running task 2891 of 4892
  • [12:27:41] <jkridner> yikes
  • [12:28:27] <jkridner> the more I think about it, OE is really awesome. :)
  • [12:28:46] <ali_as_> Is that on the 8 core system?
  • [12:28:50] <jkridner> I just MUST find some icecc/distcc setup that works with Amazon EC2.
  • [12:29:06] <jkridner> nope, this is a single CPU on an Amazon EC2 machine.
  • [12:29:59] <koen> jkridner: I can build console-image in 5 hours or so on a dual athlon MP 2800+
  • [12:30:24] * koen wonders when the mailman will drop off the core2quad mainboard and cpu
  • [12:30:52] <ali_as_> Elastic compute cloud, okaaay.
  • [12:33:23] <jkridner> koen: if you help me build a suitable machine image, I don't mind paying for some EC2 CPU time for your beagle-related builds.
  • [12:33:50] <jkridner> at $0.10/CPU*hour, it is a money saver.
  • [12:35:20] <keesj> OE is pretty good indeed , it's the gentoo for embedded development
  • [12:35:25] * koen hasn't used EC2 yet
  • [12:35:45] <jkridner> I'm still a novice at building EC2 images, but I have managed to boot-strap Ubuntu and Gentoo file systems (using their already running Xen/Fedora(?) kernel).
  • [12:36:10] <jkridner> Linux version 2.6.16-xenU (builder@xenbat.amazonsa) (gcc version 4.0.1 20050727 (Red Hat 4.0.1-5)) #1 SMP Mon May 28 03:41:49 SAST 2007
  • [12:36:21] <jkridner> er, RedHat kernel.
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  • [13:29:23] <jkridner> koen: I tried to do a bit of a write-up on invoking EC2 on the mailing list. I can get a bit more detailed/accurate if there is interest.
  • [13:34:46] <jkridner> I really like the a la carte model where you get what you pay for, rather than something like Google's cloud services where you only get the APIs that they give you and you don't know how they are going to add advertisements or otherwise monetize the service.
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  • [13:59:02] <cjb80> anyone have any idea how many rev B boards are going to be fabbed and sold in the near future?
  • [14:00:17] <shoragan> jkridner, have there been any news about the linuxtag giveaway?
  • [14:01:06] <jkridner> well, I haven't made a broad announcement yet, but I've contacted 8 of the 10 winners. I have names for the other 2, but no contact information.
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  • [14:02:21] <shoragan> ok, so i'm probably not one of the winners...
  • [14:07:06] <sakoman> koen: is there a git repo for bitbake? or is it just oe.dev that is moving to git?
  • [14:17:57] <jkridner> 9 of 10 winners contacted. Supposedly Thomas L. has the contact info for the 10th.
  • [14:18:44] <Genesis> bitbake is SVN
  • [14:18:56] <Genesis> as for as i know
  • [14:18:58] <jkridner> it seems the only way to get boards in June is through taking on a project. if you have a project, please contact me at jkridner@beagleboard. it is an 'org' domain.
  • [14:19:23] <Genesis> i'm writing a mail to my team to have a try on OMAP :)
  • [14:20:22] <jkridner> There is work on-going for the project registration page. I'm not happy with it yet, so i haven't made it live.
  • [14:20:43] <jkridner> I'm planning on killing the Pibb page, but I have some bugs to work out of the IRC java client install.
  • [14:23:07] <DJWillis> jkridner: does a port of ScummVM count as a project ;-)
  • [14:23:27] <jkridner> :) ScummVM already works.
  • [14:23:39] <DJWillis> :-p
  • [14:23:53] <jkridner> well, the audio doesn't sync that well, so I guess there are some things to fix.
  • [14:24:10] <DJWillis> Easy enough to sort out.
  • [14:28:47] <ldesnogu> did anyone try to build static binaries with 2008q1 and cortex-a8 flag? I know 2008q1 is broken for NEON, but it looks like it's even worse than that :(
  • [14:30:10] <DJWillis> ldesnogu: I found it seemed far to 'broke' to use when I tried a few things so ran away from it ;-)
  • [14:30:28] <ldesnogu> could you do me a favor and test a 4 line program?
  • [14:30:47] <ldesnogu> I mean if you have everything in place, no need to shake your install :)
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  • [14:31:49] <jkridner> DJWillis: you don't seem to respond to my /msg queries.
  • [14:32:00] <DJWillis> ldesnogu: not got it on this system (and not got an A8 to test).
  • [14:32:01] <jkridner> I'd guess that you are not 'identified'.
  • [14:32:41] <DJWillis> jkridner: I can see them and reply, nickserv seems to think I am logged in. I'll just poke nickserv.
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  • [14:50:31] <jkridner> OE experts: http://www.beagleboard.org/~angstrom/tmp/work/armv6-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gimp-2.4.0-r0/temp/log.do_configure.6619
  • [14:50:51] <jkridner> I have an unsatisfied requirement for gdk-pixbuf-csource (at least in my path)
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  • [15:14:08] <keesj> jkridner: that is apparently a tool that needs to be run on the host(if is is searching for it at this point)
  • [15:16:45] <koen> jkridner: gtk-native should provide that
  • [15:16:54] <keesj> usualy I end end doing one of the tree following things 1) check in the configure if this just configure magic that is not prepared to get cross compiled. b) a tool that needs to run at compile time (search for a native package)
  • [15:16:57] <koen> jkridner: I happen to have gtk(-devel) installe don my host :/
  • [15:17:39] <keesj> and c) tools that need to be installed on the host system
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  • [15:37:47] <JoeyBorn> hi all
  • [15:39:21] <jkridner> hi
  • [15:39:27] * jkridner is busy in meetings.
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  • [17:25:55] <jkridner> which particular tool to I need to install. I don't see a recipe for gtk-native. I'm doing an 'emerge gtk+' for now.
  • [17:26:24] <jkridner> since I don't have a GUI on this system, it is building quite a lot.
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  • [17:39:11] <koen> jkridner: gtk+-native
  • [17:39:33] <jkridner> ah.
  • [17:39:59] <jkridner> hmmm.... do I kill Gentoo's attempt to build gtk+...
  • [17:40:14] <DaQatz> ctrl+c?
  • [17:40:35] <jkridner> k, you talked me into killing and trying with OE.
  • [17:41:37] <jkridner> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'gtk+-native' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it)
  • [17:42:19] <jkridner> Gentoo's status messages are SO much better. Really need to figure out how to get that stuff into OE.
  • [17:42:40] <jkridner> 42 packages left for Gentoo to build. (restarted it)
  • [17:42:51] <DaQatz> Gentoo's error messages are generally useful
  • [17:43:06] <jkridner> Gentoo is smart enough to keep manual tasks noted to reprint them at the bottom, even if you do CTRL-C.
  • [17:43:20] <DaQatz> yep
  • [17:43:45] <DaQatz> actually getting gentoo arm working on the beadgle?
  • [17:43:54] <jkridner> I'd've expected 'bitbake' to be better than 'emerge' at such things.
  • [17:44:24] <jkridner> I had Gentoo-ARM file system (not kernel) working a long time ago, but I had problems getting X to work.
  • [17:44:39] <jkridner> koen came along and had X working before he even had a board!
  • [17:45:14] <jkridner> I'm just using Gentoo as my host system to rebuild with OE.
  • [17:45:14] <DaQatz> hmmm
  • [17:45:22] <DaQatz> nods
  • [17:45:38] <jkridner> and I'm also playing with an Ubuntu-ARM file system for a demo.
  • [17:45:57] <jkridner> it boots, but I need to fix some small things like the serial console.
  • [17:46:34] <sakoman> jkridner: try "bitbake gtk+-native-1.2"
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  • [17:47:32] <jkridner> I guess these can fully exist in parallel, right?
  • [17:47:51] <jkridner> the OE native stuff all goes under the OE directories under i686..., doesn't it?
  • [17:48:07] <sakoman> yes, the -native tools can co-exist with the distro tools
  • [17:48:32] <sakoman> It's quite often a pain to get that first build working
  • [17:48:39] <jkridner> k, then parallel builds it is.
  • [17:48:45] <sakoman> After that it is relatively painless
  • [17:49:18] <jkridner> website still seems reasonably responsive. :)
  • [17:49:39] <dirk2> koen: Did you send the Makefile patch to linux-arm-kernel?
  • [17:53:09] <dirk2> jkridner: I wonder if khasim has any patches in his queue, e.g. for uboot v1. Did you hear anything from him?
  • [17:54:15] <jkridner> no, last I heard Gerald was bugging him for more improvements on the test procedure. I haven't heard anything about uboot v1 patches in a while.
  • [17:55:04] <jkridner> he's pretty responsive to e-mail and doesn't really monitor the IRC logs. I'm sure he wouldn't mind being pinged on uboot v1 patches.
  • [17:55:37] <jkridner> he has switched to using 1.3.3 for the board testing, so he should have some good feedback.
  • [17:56:25] <dirk2> yes, sounds good, will try this
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  • [18:05:08] <sakoman> dirk2: I'll be pushing your 2 most recent patches after a test build
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  • [18:06:34] <sakoman> been busy trying to track down what config options in the beagle defconfig make things flakey
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  • [18:07:13] <jkridner> is there some defconfig that doesn't have I2C problems?
  • [18:07:31] <sakoman> jkridner: right now I am confused:-)
  • [18:07:50] <sakoman> I've had a very stable evm build, never any i2c issues
  • [18:08:17] <sakoman> but beagle has been very flakey in many areas
  • [18:08:20] <jkridner> on the "WTBU" (2.6.22) release, I never had any i2c issues.
  • [18:08:59] <sakoman> I moved the beagle defconfig over to the evm with just minal changes to for different machine + ethernet/touchscreen
  • [18:09:25] <sakoman> And it was a night/day difference on the evm - every flakey
  • [18:09:32] <dirk2> in defconfig coming with OMAP git I didn't saw I2C timeouts yet
  • [18:09:38] <sakoman> very not every :-)
  • [18:09:53] <dirk2> but koen mentioned that there are some, from time to time
  • [18:10:10] <sakoman> the linux-omap git defconfig is much more conservative than the one in OE
  • [18:10:24] <sakoman> It's the onein OE that I am referring to
  • [18:10:43] <dirk2> yes, with koen's "asoc" kernel, there are I2C timouts quite often
  • [18:11:20] <dirk2> had a look to I2C tools proposed by khasim, but don't know to handle them correctly
  • [18:13:03] <dirk2> flakieness on beagle: I don't think we currently have an idea what's the root cause for this, no?
  • [18:13:14] <sakoman> no
  • [18:13:39] <sakoman> I think I might try the reverse now -- move my evm defconfig to beagle
  • [18:13:52] <sakoman> See if things get better or worse
  • [18:15:11] <jkridner> dirk2: I think it was NishanthMenon who proposed the I2C tools.
  • [18:15:24] <NishanthMenon> :D
  • [18:15:42] <dirk2> NishanthMenon: Uh, yes, SORRY
  • [18:15:50] <NishanthMenon> some one spoke my name :).. i2ctools is very easy Dirk. i2cdetect -l will list all busses available.
  • [18:16:04] <sakoman> I'd like to understand why git on the evm is fine, but git on the beagle is not
  • [18:16:25] <dirk2> NishanthMenon: Yes, but I need I2C chip addresses, no?
  • [18:16:28] <NishanthMenon> i2cdetect -a -y -r 0 (bus 0 as an example) will give a list of devices detected on bus 0, i2cdump -y 0 0x49 will dump all regs
  • [18:16:37] <NishanthMenon> of audio regs of t2
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  • [18:16:48] <dirk2> Ah, okay, the 0x49 was what I missed ;)
  • [18:17:07] <NishanthMenon> you can use i2cdetect to list all devices on a bus
  • [18:17:38] <NishanthMenon> -r will ensure it does a read.. the devices we have on sdp and beagle should be fine with it (dont try it on certain types of eeproms though)
  • [18:18:39] <sakoman> jkridner: the other issue that is strange is that plugging in a usb OTG cable will prevent Beagle from booting (with git kernel) but works fine on the evm
  • [18:19:18] <sakoman> need to start eliminating variables between the 2
  • [18:20:45] <jkridner> I have that same cable as what I recommended for Crofton and I haven't seen boot problems.... but, I'm not using the git kernel.
  • [18:20:52] <dirk2> NishanthMenon: i2cdetect -a -y -r 2
  • [18:20:58] <dirk2> i2c_omap i2c_omap.2: controller timed out
  • [18:21:20] <dirk2> Seems like we have a simple test case...
  • [18:21:39] <NishanthMenon> ooooh.. does not look good
  • [18:21:47] <NishanthMenon> NAK handling issue?
  • [18:21:48] <NishanthMenon> hmm
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  • [18:22:04] <NishanthMenon> can u try bus 1?
  • [18:22:10] <dirk2> -r 1 and -r 3 are fine
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  • [18:22:27] <NishanthMenon> interesting.. why with bus 2 then?
  • [18:22:30] <dirk2> -r 3 doesn't detect anything
  • [18:22:36] <NishanthMenon> nothing on bus 3
  • [18:22:45] <NishanthMenon> it is supposed to be SR(smart reflex)
  • [18:23:02] <dirk2> -r 1 detects 0x48, 0x49, 0x4A and 0x4B
  • [18:23:03] <NishanthMenon> let me enable bus 2 on u-boot
  • [18:23:07] <NishanthMenon> and give a trace to u
  • [18:23:12] <NishanthMenon> on SDP though..
  • [18:23:37] <dirk2> What is connected to bus 2?
  • [18:23:55] <NishanthMenon> on sdp camera.. not sure on beagle - dvi?
  • [18:23:58] <NishanthMenon> dunno.
  • [18:24:00] <dirk2> 0x4* at bus 1 is TWL4030?
  • [18:24:05] <NishanthMenon> yeah
  • [18:24:09] <NishanthMenon> 48-4b
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  • [18:25:48] <sakoman> jkridner: clearly it isn't the cable! it works fine with git kernel on evm
  • [18:28:25] <NishanthMenon> weee.. i hung my board too :)
  • [18:28:27] <bernardo> sup everybody ...
  • [18:28:35] <NishanthMenon> testing i2c2 :(
  • [18:28:59] <bernardo> so I'm sure this has been asked a million times - can't seem to find concrete info on the website. When can I get my hands on a beagle board? :)
  • [18:29:54] <bernardo> I've been doin lots of research on linux based boards like this one and really really like the beagle board ... would like to start development soon though
  • [18:30:13] <dirk2> bernardo: Do you know http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Revision_B ?
  • [18:31:44] <dirk2> bernardo: And http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2008-06-16#T14:18:58
  • [18:32:00] <bernardo> Yup, I had seen it before. Says Rev. B in June 08 ... I'm on the mailing list, guess I have to wait till an announcement goes out on it
  • [18:32:43] <dirk2> bernardo: Did you send a mail to revb-request ?
  • [18:33:02] <bernardo> nope - that's news!
  • [18:33:57] <dirk2> But above irclog from today are newer news
  • [18:34:10] <bernardo> Yeah, I'm reading through it ... thanx!
  • [18:34:28] <ali_as_> Mind me butting in, is there some information on exactly what is broken with the host interface, I understamnd it's a hardware problem that can't be worked around?
  • [18:34:28] <NishanthMenon> dirk2, i am seeing hung situation when it is probing on i2c bus 2
  • [18:34:54] <NishanthMenon> :( even in u-boot v2. this is on sdp3430. it does not seem to get any status reg at all :( drat!
  • [18:35:22] <NishanthMenon> i am wondering if that interrupt enable register has anything to do with it.. and wondering why bus1 works fine!
  • [18:35:24] <dirk2> ali_as_: Yes. As I understand it correctly, the communication between OMAP3 and PHY is corrupted after some time
  • [18:36:06] <sakoman> dirk2: u-boot test build was fine -- I pushed your 2 most recent patches
  • [18:36:17] <ali_as_> What is the actual flaw, is it a silicon problem?
  • [18:36:23] <dirk2> sakoman: :)
  • [18:36:54] <dirk2> ali_as_: Not sure, I think the plan is to use a different PHY at rev C boards
  • [18:37:02] <bernardo> k ... so only way to get a June RevB board is to join a project - does that only apply to official projects (maybe 'sponsored' by beagle board) or can I just add my own project and request a board?
  • [18:38:11] <dirk2> bernardo: Wait for jkridner answering here or ask at revb-request
  • [18:39:24] <dirk2> sakoman: Crofton|work sent the nand fix to uboot list and it was applied, but not yet at uboot mainline
  • [18:39:41] <bernardo> revb-request@beagleboard.org ?
  • [18:39:47] <dirk2> Yes
  • [18:39:52] <bernardo> cool thx
  • [18:40:58] <ali_as_> Does the logbot automatically obfuscate emails?
  • [18:41:37] <dirk2> No
  • [18:41:39] <dirk2> http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2008-06-16#T18:39:41
  • [18:42:43] <ali_as_> Yow, instant log availability.
  • [18:44:40] <bernardo> another quick question - does any project associated with Beagle Board have to be open source?
  • [18:50:12] <NishanthMenon> dirk2, did not help me either, i seem to get timeout on i2c2 no matter what i do.. will look at it later. gotta run now
  • [18:55:16] <jkridner> ali_as_: no. :(
  • [18:55:46] <jkridner> I have to do it by hand if I remember.
  • [18:57:08] <jkridner> NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/angstrom/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gtk+/files/./gtk+1.2-reconf-fix not found.
  • [18:58:44] <jkridner> koen, sakoman, unfortunately, gentoo 'emerge gtk+' also failed with cups complaining about the existence of /usr/lib64
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  • [19:56:38] <sakoman> dirk2: it will be interesting to see how long it takes to trickle down
  • [19:58:52] <sakoman> jkridner: hopefully koen will have a suggestion for you. I've never seen issues with gtk+ before.
  • [19:59:44] <sakoman> I've been using ubuntu for my build machines
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  • [20:42:07] <fly3rman> hi guys
  • [20:42:13] <fly3rman> puh
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  • [20:43:13] <fly3rman> now hi guys again
  • [20:43:28] <fly3rman> can anyone tell about the energy ompsuption of beagleboard?
  • [20:43:38] <fly3rman> i heard about 1 watt (12v) right?
  • [20:43:55] <hagisbasheruk> hi fly3rman
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  • [20:44:41] <hagisbasheruk> 5v 500mA
  • [20:44:44] <BThompson> it is fairly low, as it can power off of USB (5v 500mA max)
  • [20:45:04] <fly3rman> ah wonderufll
  • [20:45:29] <BThompson> itll use less than that most of the time, I am not sure if there have been official measurements of the board, some folks in here may know just from running it off a bench supply...
  • [20:45:52] <hagisbasheruk> if you need to more Current when you add deviced you can use external Vcc
  • [20:46:08] <fly3rman> sure sure
  • [20:46:14] <BThompson> are you looking for battery operation?
  • [20:46:17] <fly3rman> i plan to power it up with solar energy
  • [20:46:24] <BThompson> ahh cool
  • [20:46:25] <sakoman> depending on what it is doing I see 250ma -> 400ma @ 5v
  • [20:46:31] <fly3rman> with 9AH battery *hrhr*
  • [20:47:22] <fly3rman> so i saw it on linuxtag, how long till i can purchase it?
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  • [20:51:03] <BThompson> I think there will be rev B boards available in the next month or so, but those will lack the USB EHCI port capability, rev C boards are in the works to fix that and will hopefully be available later this year, at least that is how I understand it, jkridner may have more specific details
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  • [21:01:03] <jkridner> BThompson: you are right. I'm thinking that website ordering will be supported in August, as things are looking right now.
  • [21:01:11] <jkridner> some of that is coming from higher than expected demand.
  • [21:04:54] <fly3rman> nice
  • [21:05:04] <fly3rman> shipping possible to europe?
  • [21:05:18] <jkridner> yes, shipping to Europe will be supported.
  • [21:05:39] <fly3rman> wonderfull
  • [21:06:49] <hagisbasheruk> it would be better if you had a UK distributor jkridner
  • [21:07:20] <jkridner> the distributor we have lined up has a worldwide presence.
  • [21:08:18] <fly3rman> reboot->new kernel
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  • [21:08:53] <jkridner> the idea of having website ordering today would mean that we would be sold out immediately and the distributor does not want a bunch of backorders.
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  • [21:09:34] <hagisbasheruk> ahh ..
  • [21:13:01] * NishanthMenon feeling reaaaaalllly stupid!!!! LOL
  • [21:13:12] <NishanthMenon> i2c timeout cause -> pinmux :(
  • [21:13:28] <hagisbasheruk> has the usb problem been sorted jkridner
  • [21:13:52] <NishanthMenon> i think i2c has a terminator resistor requirement
  • [21:13:57] <jkridner> ah ha! I had said that was the thing to look at in some IRC sessions over the weekend.
  • [21:14:11] <NishanthMenon> :).. so if the i2c is not muxed properly, i2c module is not detecting NAK!
  • [21:14:14] <NishanthMenon> drat!!!!
  • [21:14:38] <NishanthMenon> (but i did manage to catch 2 more corner cases!!)
  • [21:14:39] <jkridner> hagisbasheruk: we know the problems, but it is going to take a while to respin the board.
  • [21:16:00] <ali_as_> Is this refering to the host interface issue?
  • [21:16:26] <jkridner> ali_as_: NishanthMenon is talking about I2C issues with the git tree code.
  • [21:16:47] <jkridner> hagisbasheruk is asking me about USB host port issues.
  • [21:17:02] <ali_as_> That's what I was asking :)
  • [21:17:12] <ali_as_> What is wrong with the phys?
  • [21:21:52] <NishanthMenon> folks, apologies on not giving context.. i must confess i was stumped a bit on i2c bus timeout.. never seen the controller behave so :(
  • [21:22:20] <ds2> could there be a device on the bus holding the lines in an odd state?
  • [21:22:33] <ds2> seems like the hwmon folks see this sort of stuff all the time
  • [21:22:41] <ds2> hwmon/lmsensors
  • [21:24:21] <NishanthMenon> ds2, i2c spec seems to mention about the pull ups
  • [21:24:22] <jkridner> ali_as_: the USB host phy interface issue is multifaceted, but it is primarily a noise issue based on the layout.
  • [21:24:36] <NishanthMenon> i am guessing without mux they never are activated
  • [21:24:39] <ali_as_> Ahhhh.
  • [21:25:38] <NishanthMenon> ds2, ideally without any device on a certain bus, we should be seeing NAK on controller. timeout error that dirk mentioned is simply coz the controller does not detect anything for over a millisec.. now that is toooo long by i2c standards
  • [21:26:32] <ds2> NishanthMenon: I agree, that's what it says on paper but I know the lmsensors/hwmon folks were running in stuff like this when they randomly poke at the SMbus (basically I2C)
  • [21:26:38] <ds2> let me see if I can find references
  • [21:26:48] <jkridner> I2C bus is open-collector, so it does require pull-ups.
  • [21:27:15] <ds2> but any device on the bus can hold it down to mess things up :/
  • [21:27:22] <NishanthMenon> ds2, what you say is correct *if* we have devices that will hold things down
  • [21:27:38] <NishanthMenon> ds2, if we have an empty bus, things should ideally work fine.
  • [21:27:40] <ds2> what is normally on i2c bus 2?
  • [21:27:56] <NishanthMenon> on my board ->sdp3430 -> normally a camera sits, but i had popped it out
  • [21:28:06] <NishanthMenon> need to look at schematics for beagle though
  • [21:28:18] <ds2> is that a ES2 SDP or the original ES1 SDP?
  • [21:28:24] <NishanthMenon> es2sdp..
  • [21:29:22] * NishanthMenon gone off to treat my stupidity with a cofee
  • [21:31:36] <ds2> Hmmmm I had some odd hangs while messing with the camera driver w/o it plugged in but rebuilding the kernel made it go away *shrug*
  • [21:35:44] <jkridner> ds2: you are on the OMAP35x EVM, right?
  • [21:36:17] <ds2> jkridner: no, this is when I was working on the ES2 SDP
  • [21:36:46] <jkridner> oh. I should read better. it is what I get for jumping between tasks.
  • [21:37:24] <ds2> I could very well be working on that but between the Zoom, 2430 stuff, and the SDP I am about neck deep ;)
  • [21:38:19] <jkridner> nah, you need a Beagle, then you'd be neck deep.
  • [21:40:02] <ds2> doesn't take much when the WTBU kernel is involved ;) so wish they deprecate theirs and collapse everything into omap-git
  • [21:46:16] <jkridner> well, as soon as everything is working on Beagle, we can drop the WTBU kernel for that board. :)
  • [21:48:14] <ds2> all boards would be nicer :)
  • [21:48:40] <ds2> thanks to that kernel, I am juggling like 5 versions of the frame buffer driver
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  • [23:16:28] <banderson> oe build failed on flash.patch (/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/omap3evm/flash.patch) is this file the same as beagle?
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  • [23:19:51] <banderson> The file is missing for EVM.
  • [23:22:38] <banderson> Looks like the patch from beagle applied so here is hoping!
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  • [23:45:47] <koen> NishanthMenon: no need to use i2c-detect on recent kernels
  • [23:46:01] <koen> NishanthMenon: they show up automagically in /sys/bus/i2c
  • [23:46:26] <koen> (at least, my monitors EDID devices showed up
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  • [23:49:56] <koen> NishanthMenon: http://rafb.net/p/fRrPoa45.txt
  • [23:50:04] <koen> NishanthMenon: my monitor is an AU5131 :)
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  • [23:59:10] <NishanthMenon> koen, cool.. in fact, i2cdetect -l will actually probe for busses... i2cdetect is useful for some debug.. esp when you are doing i2c driver debug.. else it is superfluous as you pointed out..
  • [23:59:35] <NishanthMenon> koen, lm-sensor i2cdetect actually uses sysfs busses to do it's job
  • [23:59:59] <NishanthMenon> in u-boot v2, well it makes sense to have it, since i dont have a bus architecture.